User talk:Miguel.mateo/Archives/2008/November

List comprehensions edit

In reference to: "The recent edit you made to Comparison of programming languages (list comprehension)" There is a quite informative Edit summary given. Please read it and reinstate the edit. Ruby, by its examples shows the use of map to perform similar functionality where the whole point of a list comprehension is to not use map and filter but to closely follow set-builder notation as it states in the article. Or was this an automated edit on your part? --Paddy (talk) 11:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Apologies for that, please accept it, I think I pressed the wrong key in WP:HUGGLE. I am sorry for the inconvenience caused. Feel free to revert me. Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 11:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

No harm done :-) --Paddy (talk) 11:20, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Reversion of link?

Hi.

Why should Scotton be linked to the Scottish cricket team? 78.151.214.139 (talk) 11:33, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

My mistake, fixed it already, why don't you create an account? Miguel.mateo (talk) 11:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for catching the vandalism to my userpage! —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 15:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for you reverting vandalism on mine ;) I felt "real time team work". Miguel.mateo (talk) 15:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Images

Hey, I continued the conversation from Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Assessment to save space there. Maybe you could try commons:Template:Money-EU for the images. It's used for the images on €2 commemorative coins and looks to be basically a PD tag. You may wish to consult with User:Nightstallion as I'm sure he would know for sure. Joe I 05:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean you want to continue the conversation here? I have no problem with that.

I tried that too, is in the archives. That can not be done because the images of the coins we are talking about are not for circulation, so they are not property of the ECB, but of the local country bank. Believe me, from the legal stand point, is a dead end: we will never obtain free rights to those images, not even for the time been, specially now where the banks have by far bigger problems to take of.

The only solution is to change the policy that allows fair-use images to be used on a list where the images are the subject of the list like in the articles we are referring to. We also started that debate and nothing, nobody replied. I can send you the links if you want to. Did you check the countries I said they are ready? They are FA/FL material, and we have spent so much time collecting all the information. We just need that policy to change and we will be able to promote the whole series to FL at least. An administrator suggested long time ago that this would be a very good WP:FT.

Yes, please let me know where you started a discussion on the policy, there's to many archives for me to sift thru. I think we can make a case for minimal use, I'll try talking to someone about it. I did look thru all of the specific country pages and I'm sure a couple are close to being featured. Thanks Joe I 07:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I do hope we can continue our cause:

• Discussion about last closure of FL nomination (this is to avoid confusion, Austria failed last time mainly because of lack of copy/edit but that is done already): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Miguel.mateo/Archives/2008/August#Austrian_coins

• An explanation that I did try to get free license but no results: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Miguel.mateo/Archives/2008/August#Euro_gold_and_silver_commemorative_coins_.28Austria.29

• More discussions on the topic of the images: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Miguel.mateo/Archives/2008/August#Re:Fair_Use_for_Currency_Images_Question

• The first discussion about the non-free but fair-use ussage of images on list articles, with no conlusion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content/Archive_37#Fair-use_in_lists_where_the_images_are_discussed

• The disucssion on the Austrian article, specially the first topic, which is the one related to the image ussage with pointers to the different polcies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates/Euro_gold_and_silver_commemorative_coins_(Austria)/archive2

• A personal conversation with the admini that open the case that list where the images is the topic should be allowed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Carcharoth/Archive_18#List_of_fair-used_images

As you can see the idea is to let these articles to live as an exception, where the images are the topic being listed and with a proper fair-use rationale. There is no conclusion and the last thing left was for me to talk to the Featured List committee, but the main person in that committee is currently on vacation and he passed his role to somebody else, so I gave up.

BTW, the work that I was doing with the ECB is pretty much going no where either, since they have no capacity now with all the financial problems to work on this.

Let me know how else you want me to help, I am very interested in bringing all the articles to to Featured Topic level.Miguel.mateo (talk) 02:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Editing/Euro coins/Greece

Hey Mateo...I started to edit as you requested which came at a perfect time since I was getting frustrated by an editor at Sara Palin article. But...you need to check something first and change since I dont know if the info is correct. I'm only editing the prose. It seems that the description for the second and third coin have been interchanged. I let you repair since, like I say, i don't know if the info is also in need of aligning. Let me know, ok? and I will continue. I need a break from politics!!!!....Thanks--Buster7 (talk) 02:54, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

You were right, I just fixed. And yes the big favour I need from you is a good copy/edit of the prose by looking at the coins. Thanks again! Miguel.mateo (talk) 05:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey Mateo...check out the suggested paragraphs at ....Euro and Gold Commemoratives/Greece/TALK. What do you think, so far?...I'm cutting so that it is NOT flowery, as mentioned by critics before. But sometimes, as I look forward, my editing may be TOO severe. I dont want to take out things that you may find necessary or important. Maybe this way you can see and judge as the process continues. When we agree, I can make the change and then delete the entry at Talk and proceed. Just an idea...is it too cumbersome?...too many steps? Let's try and see what happens. No one else is here but us chickens...:>)--Buster7 (talk) 12:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Checking now. BTW I do know that song! So kindly put that gun away ... ;) Miguel.mateo (talk) 14:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey Matt...I have given numbers to the para's for easy reference as I work on them. I count 31 that are descriptions of the coins. I have completed the first 19 (Minoan civ. to football). I will make every effort to complete before Friday since I will be traveling after then until the 5th of next month. Importantly, let me know if you move any of the paras around..ie...incorporate the last dozen into the top "bunch"...once again, thanks for the work...I needed a reminder of what I like to do best...edit and chat LOL...--Buster7 (talk) 12:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I noticed your numbering system and made it easy for me too to see where you were referencing to. What is left is not too much, but it is not as "floral" as theo thers, so I do recognize the job is gettign difficult now. I have no plans to move the paragraph around, since this is the order of the article. The only thing that I might do is add wikilinks, but that is pretty much done. Thanks again for the hard work! Miguel.mateo (talk) 23:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey Mat..check out edits to para #22--Olympic torch Relay, etc.

• I removed "final destination" for Latvia since the flame moves toward Greece the next dAY. iS THAT RIGHT?
• 3,6-----should that be 3600?
• "returned to Attica-----Where is Attica. Near Olympia? I don't recall Attica being mentioned before. Therefore, for clarity, we should clear up where ATtica is...--Buster7 (talk) 12:51, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Also.....about Mt. Olympus....are the dates for national park (1987) and Unesco (1981) correct. If they are, we should "flip-flop" and mention Unesco first to maintain chronological order.--Buster7 (talk) 13:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much, will check tomorrow and will correct acordingly (is late now here). Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 14:08, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Checked it and you were right in several points, I have done some changes. Attica is wikilinked, and it is a province of Greece, where Athens is located; so I think that is fine. Thanks a lot for your contributions, I think the article is finished now, right? Miguel.mateo (talk) 02:35, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Right!...:>)...--Buster7 (talk) 12:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Unconstructive?

I know how to use Wikipedia very well, so don't you tell me to use sanbox. And if you think that what I added to St. Sava is "unconstructive", I am sorry that I cannot give more precise info because it simply does not exist, and if you think that because of the lack of the exact date a Serbian saint should stay without any date of his canonization, I can say just... Congratulations... Whatever... This only confirms me once again that Wikipeida is not worth trying. Best regards.--62.57.255.161 (talk) 20:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

PS:And don't bother answering. I will NOT be back. ;)--62.57.255.161 (talk) 20:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry you felt that way, but Wikipedia is about facts, and not about speculation. You tell me how the words "he was canonized soon after his death" is constructive. If this is not reliable and can not be confirmed, then should not be included. It is better to say nothing that something potentially false. Best regards, Miguel.mateo (talk) 01:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello Mat...and thank you so much...If I may comment on the above.

This is a perfect example of the difficulty that arises when communicating in WikiWorld. So often miss-understanding happens. I think the basic problem is one of ownership. We (people) like/love the words we put together and we feel an ownership of them... We (people)(editors)feel like we own our thoughts, our ideas, our sharings, our edits...and when they are reverted or denied or changed, we get upset and defensive. And, then WE atttack! Editing for you has shown me how to detatch myself from what I write. You do it with grace and style. You present a background, a canvas to work on, and you step aside. It is a pleasure to work with you...everytime. As soon as I find an appropriate "visual", I will return the favor.--Buster7 (talk) 14:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I will take that as a compliment ;) I think that we all have our own area of comfort. I feel comfortable coming with the idea (the canvas as you mentioned) but I do need others (like you) to step in and make my idea brilliant. For that to work, as you properly mentioned, I have to step outside; or else we will be getting nowhere. The only thing that I religiously watch is for vandalism, comments without sources and removal of content without previous discussion.

Having said that, the pleasure is all mine, since I do enjoy your finishing and the dedication you put into helping others like me. I will be definitely looking for your help in the next article, but for now I will be creating wikilinks to the article you just copy/edited and that will take me a while. Miguel.mateo (talk) 15:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

PENNY

This penny signifies the enormity of the work that you do to create the wonderful Numismatic additions and articles that now grace WikiWorld. This Penny symbolizes the thousands of steps and edits and corrections that are necessary (but hidden and forgotten) in the process. In the spirit of...

• "SEE A PENNY, PICK IT UP. ALL THE DAY YOU'LL HAVE GOOD LUCK"

this penny is offered to Miguel.mateo

for his incredible Numismatic endeavors.--Buster7 (talk) 14:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Great!!! Awesome!!! When the parts or pieces are placed in front of an artist, he works out the composition. You make me smile!--Buster7 (talk) 03:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I did like what you wrote, is personal, funny, and does reflect what you wanted to say with the penny idea, hence I made it a new award :) I might use the "new award" to give it to some people, I do like the idea, so once again, you surprised me. Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 06:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

portuguese

Do you speak Portuguese? 'Cause i speak! Rogerchocodiles (talk) 21:36, 16 November 2008 (UTC)Rogerchocodiles

I do, but what I do not understand is where is this question coming from? Miguel.mateo (talk) 22:33, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey Mateo...Thanks for your reverting of the assorted barnstars, etc on my talk page. But that was ME that moved them to Buster7/articles. I store put them there for storage. I don't want it to look like I "lifted" a barnstar and acted like it was given to me. Also, while I am here, let me ask a favor.

I have tried a couple of times to create an archive but I always get some part of it messed-up. Can you create an archive for my talk page??? Thanks.--Buster7 (talk) 13:07, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

It did sound like vandalism in your talk page, but I saw the same IP doing the copy in the inside folder, so I thought for a second it could be you behind the scenes :) What kind of archiving do you want? I have an automatic archive that archives any thread older than 20 days into a foler with the structure <Year>/<Month> so it is very easy to navigate on the discussions I have had in a particular month. If you do not mind I can set it up similarly for you, and it will be done automatic, no need to care about it. Let me know, Miguel.mateo (talk) 14:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, my friend...the automatic archive sounds great...thanks in advance.--Buster7 (talk) 18:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, done, let the bot pick up your page, do not get impatient, it does that like twice a month or so. You may noticed already I also created the archive navigation panel on the right; the bot will populate that automatically. You will need to add new months going forward (like December 2008 once is reached), but you're welcome to change the layout, just do not change the folder structure (unless you want another type of archiving, like all conversations within a year for example). Also, very important, for the bot to work, all comments needed to be end-signed with ~~~~, so you might want to do some clean up while the bot queues you up for archiving. Let me know if you need more help, Miguel.mateo (talk) 02:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

You were lucky, the bot cleaned up your page yesterday. There are still some threads without signatures, so they will not be archived unless you change them. Also, the archive panel on the right, you might not need the months of March, April ... etc, since there is no thread to archive in those months. Let me know if you need more help, Miguel.mateo (talk) 22:40, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

It worked great...Bravo!. I used March and April as a storage place. Thanks alot.--Buster7 (talk) 23:49, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Association football in numismatics

I understand your interest in numismatics, but I'm really not sure that the main association football article is an appropriate place to be writing about coins with images of football on them. I suggest that you create a new article about association football in numismatics. I'm sure there would be others who would agree with me. – PeeJay 17:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I am not dissagreeing with you, read the note I placed in your talk page explaining what happened and what to expect from me in the future. As you see, I accepted your revert. Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 00:48, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

2005 World Championships in Athletics

Hello Miguel.mato,

The edit I brought to the 2005 World Championships in Athletics page have a reliable source here (in the 7th paragraph of the article): [1]

Will I be allowed to put the change I made to that page back myself if I include this reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.217.128.219 (talk) 13:04, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

But please, of course do so, let me know if you need help. It sounds to me like you need a named-reference here, if you do not know to do that, ping me back once you do the change and I will follow up. Thanks for bringing it up. BTW, why don't you create an account? Miguel.mateo (talk) 00:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

BTW, I checked, I could not find the source you're talking about. Please re-add your comment with a proper source. If you do not know how to add a source, let me know. Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 01:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Edits in Switzerland and the EU

Of course, this is one site where the information can be cited. I just dont know how to add it so ill leave the link to yo:

http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/themen/einreise.html

Thanks,--Philip200291 (talk) 00:54, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I will be there in afew minutes, let me know if you do not understand the changes I will do. Miguel.mateo (talk) 01:09, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Done, check it out and let me know if you need more help. Miguel.mateo (talk) 01:38, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Peejay's talk page

I would recommend undoing this edit. If you look more closely then you'll see Mikemor92 was only doing what Mizlabot was doing. Peejay complained that because Mikemor had altered to pacific time the bot wasn't working so he did it himself. I admit I was confused at first but it soon becomes clear. So... are you going to do the revert yourself around in a circle act? Ho ho ho. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 06:33, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Sure, Miguel.mateo (talk) 06:35, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

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