User talk:Meehowski

February 2021

Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Wassabi Collective, from its old location at User:Meehowski/sandbox. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. UnitedStatesian (talk) 23:08, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Gisto (April 1)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Bearcat was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Nothing stated or sourced in the article demonstrates that he passes any notability criterion in WP:NMUSIC. Charting on individual college radio stations, for example, does not fulfill NMUSIC #2 -- that requires national charts on the order of Billboard, not individual radio stations, and note that NMUSIC also makes a special point of deprecating university and college student media. And the British Columbia Interior Music Awards are also not a major national award equivalent to the Junos, the Polaris or the Grammys, so BCIMA award nominations or wins do not pass NMUSIC #8.
So the only notability criterion I can assess this under is NMUSIC #1, "has enough media coverage to pass WP:GNG" -- and on the basis of the very few real media hits shown here, he doesn't.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Gisto and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Gisto, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
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Bearcat (talk) 17:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Meehowski! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Bearcat (talk) 17:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bearcat, thank you for taking the time to review my submission and for your valuable input. Gisto will continue to produce music and make head lines and hit the charts and as such, is it possible to leave his page as a draft for future reference? and if so, what is the appropriate way to do that.

And 2nd, are there any other methods/options that Gisto's name can be listed in Wikipedia in any category even though he doesn't, at this time, qualify for NMUSIC recognition? Can he be listed as a "Stub" or something like that? Or should I include his colaborative contributions with musicians that alread have a wikipedia page, ie: Gyptian, Sizzla, and Capleton, Mishka (musician). Thank you for your advice. Meehowski (talk) 15:10, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Meehowski[reply]

"Stub" status is solely about how long the article is or isn't, and does not exempt a person from still having to have a notability claim that would pass NMUSIC. He still has to pass the same base notability tests to get any article at all, and after that any "stub" tags just differentiate short articles that need to be further expanded from longer ones — but stub tags are not an alternative path around notability criteria. Bearcat (talk) 23:05, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bearcat, thank you for taking the time to clarify once more. It is much appreciated. Meehowski (talk) 23:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)Meehowski[reply]

Firstly, NMUSIC #6 is about being a member of independently notable bands, not being "featured with the following prominant and notable musicians in his albums and videos".

Secondly, NMUSIC #12 is not about being an interview guest, speaking about himself in the first person: it is about being the subject that other people are talking about in the third person, such as a documentary. (And you also cannot source the existence of said "broadcast segment" to a YouTube copy of the segment — YouTube is not the holder of the copyright on the broadcast, and we're not allowed to link to copyright violations. Essentially, you can never reference anything to a YouTube URL for any reason whatsoever: original YouTube content is always unreliable sourcing, and copied YouTube content is almost always copyright-violating, so there's never any valid reason to cite any content on YouTube as referencing for anything.)

Thirdly, even if a person does pass one or more NMUSIC criteria, the article still has to be based on a WP:GNG-worthy volume of reliable source coverage about him — there is no notability claim that any person can make where just saying it exempts him from actually having to have the correct type of sourcing to support it.

Fourthly, the way the AFC process works is not that you can just keep coming back to me over and over again. If you think you've done enough work on the article to change the equation, you're free to try resubmitting it to the AFC queue so that it can be evaluated by whoever gets around to it — but having reviewed it the first time you submitted it does not mean that I have any obligation to rush in and review it the second time as well. The AFC process does not require me to keep shepherding the article all the way through the process — you're free to resubmit it for another review whenever you think you've done enough work on it, and somebody else will look at it, and that second somebody does not have to be me just because I looked at it the first time. Bearcat (talk) 23:29, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bearcat, I appreciate your willingness to thoroughly explain the obvious and not so obvious meanings of the rules for Notability criteria. There's a lot to digest for a new comer, and I appreciate all your patience. I will not bother you any more. Thank you. Meehowski (talk) 16:49, 11 April 2021 (UTC)Meehowski.[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Gisto (July 17)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by HitroMilanese was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Does not appear to meet WP:MUSICBIO in its current form.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Gisto and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Gisto, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Hitro talk 10:30, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Bluetech

Hello, Meehowski. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Bluetech, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Draft space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for article space.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 06:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Wassabi Collective

Hello, Meehowski. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Wassabi Collective, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Draft space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for article space.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 16:04, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Bluetech

Hello, Meehowski. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Bluetech".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:54, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Wassabi Collective

Hello, Meehowski. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Wassabi Collective".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:45, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]