User talk:Mechater

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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Brian Chater

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Brian Chater, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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You have an obvious conflict of interest, please don't write about yourself, your friends or relatives and read the guidance below:

When you write about a person, you must provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that they meet the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the person or an associated organisation, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the person claims or interviewing them. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls.
You must write in a non-promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic, with verifiable facts, not opinions or reviews.
There shouldn't be any url links in the article, only in the "References" or "External links" sections.
You must not copy text from elsewhere. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. We require that text posted here can be used, modified and distributed for any purpose, including commercial; text is considered to be copyright unless explicitly stated otherwise. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient.

Before attempting to write an article again, please make sure that the topic meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources. Also read Your first article. You must also reply to the COI request above. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:51, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Your COI declaration should be on your user page. Virtually nothing in your draft conformed to our guidance.

You had a list of refs, but they weren't in-line so no idea what facts each was supporting, and they were unformatted bare urls

Remember that you must use independent third-party sources, not press releases or interviews with him

The lack of wikilinks, references and headings suggests that you have just cut and paste from another site, which will e a copyright violation. I didn't check, since the draft was unacceptable anyway

The tone is unencyclopaedic, writing about him as "Brian" isn't appropriate.

You must give verifiable facts, not opinions such as he was largely responsible for the success enjoyed ... Brian is also credited for the role he played in launching the career of Bryan Adams... Brian played a major role in advancing the interests of Canadian songwriters and music publishers... instrumental in launching two new copyright collectives... he took on the many challenges that independent Canadian songwriters faced... from the first couple of paras

Attributed quotes are acceptable, but for a biography they often aren't helpful. What people think of him isn't a criterion for notability, and cherry-picked quotes saying how wonderful he is just look spammy Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:13, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Have a look at Taylor Swift as a recent music bio. That's a featured article, so you don't need that level of detail, but it shows you what a music bio should look like.

Please read what I've put above, you had no wikilinks (I've put a few in) and no inline references at all. It's no good listing stuff at the bottom. See my article Emma Louisa Turner. Refs are in the text after the text they are verifying <ref name=> your ref </ref>, and you should use the cite web, cite journal or cite book templates as appropriate (ignore the Parry and Greenwood ones for now. Then a

at the end will generate the list. Also, you still have opinions and self praise, played a major role in advancing the interests... Widely respected as a tireless fighter... Chater took on the many challenges... Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:45, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Much better, although you still haven't put the COI declaration on your user page. You need to break your text into sections with headings, I've done the first one for you. You need to fix the errors in some of your refs shown in red. You can't use wikipedia a a ref, change those to wikilinks instead. Change your bullet lists into proper sentences Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:38, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Brian Chater (July 27)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Doric Loon was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

OK, this is difficult: the draft is remarkably full and has lots of footnotes, which looks great. However, the ones I dipped into are primary sources - the first one cites the BDM record to verify his birth. That may be great scholarly work, but it is original research. Wikipedia also (or instead) needs secondary literature.

The article head (the part above the first subheading) is too long, and would benefit from having some of the info moved further down. The head should give us an overall context in four or five sentences. And here again, sourcing is important. At present the head has no inline sources. It should contain the most important sources.

If I were working on this I would be looking for a newspaper feature about this man, or a longer interview with him, and use that to source the head. That would make notability clear from the beginning, and then the draft could probably be accepted.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Brian Chater and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Brian Chater, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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Doric Loon (talk) 19:18, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Mechater! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Doric Loon (talk) 19:18, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Brian Chater

Hello, Mechater. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Brian Chater, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Brian Chater

Hello, Mechater. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Brian Chater".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:46, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Brian Chater

Hello, Mechater. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Brian Chater".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:43, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]