User talk:Maxnelder

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Hello, Maxnelder, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as Choice Hotels ltd, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may soon be deleted.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Choice Hotels ltd

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A tag has been placed on Choice Hotels ltd requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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June 2011

Hello Maxnelder. If you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with;
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linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam).

Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. As the social marketing developer for Choice Hotels, you have a very obvious conflict of interest, so it would be best if you stop editing or creating articles related to your employer. Beloved Freak 12:49, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I understand my conflict of interests of course but is it not possible for me to write without a bias?

I don't know—is it? You've shown your bias quite obviously so far. I don't say that to be rude, but it's actually quite easy to be less than neutral without even realising it. It's not forbidden to write about stuff you're involved in in real life, but as it's your job to promote the company, it's not really the best idea. It's also potentially a bad idea from your employer's point of view. Even if you write an article on them that doesn't get deleted (which is unlikely, as most companies do not meet the notability guidelines for inclusion), what many companies don't realise is how little control they will have over the finished article, and that any (well-sourced) negative information can also be included. It's not really a very good avenue for promotion. --Beloved Freak 13:04, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am very new to wikipedia so you must excuse my ignorance. The reasons for creating these wikipedia pages spans further than promotion through the pages themselves. Without my initiation there would be no Cliffs Hotel page, so starting them and leaving them relatively empty would be a better idea, allowing established contributors like your self to further develop them?

To be honest, regarding articles such as for Choice Hotels, I would leave them, and if the topics are notable, someone will get around to writing about them. I'm not 100% sure about the Cliffs hotel one, I've been writing a lot about buildings in the Fylde and Lancashire in general, and I've got pretty familiar with what makes them meet out guidelines (or not). The information I added from the book I have should stop that article from being "speedily deleted", and I for one won't be initiating a deletion discussion on it, as I think it might just be ok. Don't be surprised if someone questions it at some point down the line though. It's not enough that topics can be verified to actually exist, they've got to have been considered important enough by independent secondary sources, too.

If you're interested in editing Wikipedia for your own sake, then that's great. I'd recommend taking it slowly and making small changes first, rather than creating lots of new articles. Get to know some of the policies and guidelines—there are many, and they're not very interesting, but will help you figure out what's going on. If you're interested in Lancashire type stuff, you might be interested in joining Wikipedia:WikiProject Lancashire and Cumbria. "Joining" doesn't mean anything as such, and you don't even have to put your name down, but there is a talkpage where you can ask questions about topics particularly related to Lancs. (Say for example you wanted to start another article and wanted to check if it's notable enough or not.) As for your last question, if you start an article that is notable, and neutral, and so unlikely to be deleted, yes it's fine to just start what we call a "stub" and others will develop it over time. For example (just as we've mentioned Blackpool, you might not have any interest in it...) I'm working on Listed buildings in Blackpool. I'm going to write articles for most of the items on there that don't already have articles. (not things like telephone boxes :) ) So, if I wanted to start one about the Imperial Hotel, I could write

The Imperial Hotel is in Blackpool, Lancashire. It is a Grade II listed building.

That would be a very short stub, but it has just enough to let other editor know that it is notable enough not to be deleted. Ideally, it would also have a reference to an independent, reliable source. Just try to make sure there is enough context to make it useful. And, as a newcomer, don't be surprised if you make mistakes or run into more problems. Unfortunately that happens! Feel free to ask any questions.--Beloved Freak 13:53, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]