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request for review and to wikify the article rajesh chauhan (physician)

Dear Doctor, Having seen your genuine concern, may I request you to kindly review the article on rajesh chauhan (physician) and wikify it. Many thanks.

SInce I don't have any first hand knowledge, I am not able to help in this case _Doctor Bruno_^_Talk_/_{E Mail} 13:51, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Repost

Hello Doctorbruno. I have deleted it under WP:CSD {{db-repost}} which allows for deleted stuff to re instantly redeleted if they are the same content. Simply use the tag next time you see something like that.Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 00:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Signature

You might think about using a simpler signature. Such huge code blocks in signatures (your's appear 4 line deep in diffs) and colors are considered disruptive, as per WP:SIGNATURE#Length. Thank you. --Ragib 08:23, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I also had a long signature once before the guideline was solidified. Unfortunately, more than one individual has been blocked for non-compliance with the signature guideline. Try to keep it around one line of HTML markup, colours are okay as long as they are not overly garish. Thanks -- Samir धर्म 09:13, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Check the present (modified) signature Doctor Bruno^_Talk_/_{E Mail} 09:39, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Still not OK. One line of html text is what I suggest. How is

Doctor Bruno ^_Talk_/_{E Mail}

-- Samir धर्म 09:55, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

What about Doctor BrunoTalk 11:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

How is this? It keeps the same effect but reduces the markup a little bit: Doctor BrunoTalk Samir धर्म 12:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC) Changed to Doctor BrunoTalk 18:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay with me. Hopefully no one else hassles you about it. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 19:01, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Sumer Kumar Sethi

Hi Doctor Bruno. I assessed this article as per the arguments on the AfD when I closed. I am sorry if you disagree, but I invite you to ask for a deletion review if you so desire. Many thanks for your understanding -- Samir धर्म 09:10, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

If you feel strongly about it, please proceed with the WP:DRV. Others may feel strongly as well -- Samir धर्म 09:17, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your amendments.

Dear Sir, I have few comments to make about your amendments. Under Anti Reservation Arguments,you have amended % of forward castes admitted as 9%, whereas we should look % of forward castes admitted out of total no.of seats. It works out only 3%.So request you to not to amend it further. I feel Reservation in Tamilnadu to be entered from neutral point of view as per wikipedia policy. It should only contain facts and should leave readers to form opinions. Any views can be brought in Pro or Anti Reservation arguments. So words like that this proves that Backward classes are at par with others etc can be removed from that section. Also request you to not to bring Pro reservation arguments under Anti reservation arguments. Thanks Ravikumar

With reference to your suggestion that So words like that this proves that Backward classes are at par with others etc can be removed from that section. Can I also suggest that the following words are also removed The quality of these elite institutes may go down, because merit is severely being compromised by reserving seats.

The former has been proved and all the links have been given. Hence there is no problem regarding Verifiability. The later sentence has been disproved by the Tamil Nadu Statistics. So I think we have to remove that

Hope you get my point Doctor BrunoTalk 18:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear Sir, I am editing Tamilnadu section and gives only facts without giving opinion. Quality of the institutes going down appears in Anti Reservation arguments. Anti reservation arguments is effectively the views of the people. My contention is views should not appear in other sections. It can appear in Anti?Pro Reservation arguments. Views like Tamilnadu exercise proves that it does not compromise merit etc can be added by you in Pro reservation arguments. Also you have given proof of Medical Admission list for the year 1950. But I am not able to navigate to any link. Either you can remove the words that 95% people admitted in 1950 are Forward castes or you can add verifiable link. You can get in touch with me if you have any objections to my point of view. I am willing to modify my contents. Thanks Ravikumar

Can that sentence of quality going down be removed as it has NO proof. On the other hand, there are proof for Quality improving with reservation.

Please visit the ME Section of MMC. You can see the register. Please note that ANY VERIFIABLE SOURCE (not only web based) can be cited in Wikipedia

Please note that you have to only talk about the percentage in General Category and not as a whole. The admission system followed by TN and UPSC are radically different

please explain why one has to talk only about percentage within general category and not as a whole? the two present different information.Iitmsriram 11:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Why is that ALL the anti reservation arguments are for anticaste based reservation. Why no one opposes payment seat in the name of merit Doctor BrunoTalk 19:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

well this is confusing the issue. in government run (taxpayer supported) structures, reservations run against the spirit of equality guaranteed by the government. payment seats are all in private enterprises (or government setups without taxpayer support, aka self-supporting programs) where there is no guarantee of equality. private profit making enterprises are (well, they aren't. but they should be) free to select whoever they want since their motivation is profit, not equality. if a low-merit candidate increases profit while a high-merit candidate causes a loss, the private institution should be selecting the low-merit candidate so as to increase profit. of course, it is possible that the high-merit candidate may cause a loss today, but by building up a reputation for the institution, may contribute to higher profits in future. the decision of whether to bank on today's profit or potential future profit should be entirely upto the private enterprise, not the government or the tax payer.Iitmsriram 09:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear Dr.Bruno. 1) If you are very certain that it is a fact and if you have seen register yourself or through reliable sources then it can be retained. But please remove it if you have even iota of doubt about it. I strongly feel that may not be a fact and it is the talk of some politicians without facts. 2) I have distinctly mentioned quantity of students admitted in General category and as a whole for more clarity sake. I don't understand the different you are quoting between TN and UPSC. Is it possible to come on Google Talk(lravikumar@gmail.com) and we can come to agreement on this point if required 3) You can add this point in Pro reservation arguments. Thanks Ravikumar

Dear Dr.Bruno, In Anti Reservation arguments, I have amended that Forward castes are able to secure only 3% of total seats. Calculation for the same has been given by me in the table. (It is actually 2.68%).I request you to not to modify it further as I have put my argument based on fact. Thanks for your understanding Thanks Ravikumar

You have not answered for the Merit part Doctor BrunoTalk 19:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear Dr.Bruno Your contention is that Reservation does not affect merit and you say it based on Tamilnadu statistics. Another person can bring different statistics based on Uttar Pradesh or Madya pradesh example and argue reservation affects merit.It is also possible to argue based on Tamilnadu statistics that it affects merit because beyond 31% all seats are given only to students belonging to Reserved classes. Either I or You are not judges to decide whether it affects merit and Wikipedia is not a court to decide whether reservation is correct or not. So I feel you can put your view in Pro reservation arguments and my view can remain in Anti reservation arguments.Due to above reasons I don't think Tamilnadu statistics does not call for modification in Anti reservation arguments regarding impact of reservation on merit.

Thanks Ravikumar

If they can bring in, they are most welcome. But how can they argue WITHOUT FACTS Doctor BrunoTalk 13:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear Dr.Bruno, This is regarding your edit that ,95% of students admitted in medical colleges in 1950 were from Forward Castes. You have quoted Madras medical colleges admission register as verifiable source. I had tried to contact Madras Medical college administrative department. Few people whom I have spoken to did not have any clue about admission register for year as back as 1950. Could you please name a person and department from where I can get the information.

Thanks Ravikumar

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Reservation_in_India"

Please contact ME1 Section. I saw those details way back in 1996. Now since they have moved to the new building, the archives will be in else where Doctor BrunoTalk 02:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

No and yes

I'm Tamil, but live nowhere near Tamil Nadu.Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Jayalalithaa Jayaram

Hello, I just changed the name of the page to go with the name at the top of the article: they are supposed to be the same. If you change the article back to the original title, please change the first sentence so it matches :-) Saint|swithin 08:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the 'Tireless Contributor Barnstar'

Thanks Doctorbruno,

I'm very much elated to recieve this Barnstar. If you want me to improve or work on anything, please post your views and suggestion at my talk page. Incase you need any help from my end, please feel free to write me --M.arunprasad 08:54, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hey! That was a pleasant surprize! This definetely increases my responsibilities. Thank you so much. - KNM ^{Talk - Contribs} 21:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

thanks, doctorbruno, for that working mans barnstar. precision should be our collective goal - that will make wikipedia worthwhile. Iitmsriram 12:43, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

RFA

Can we nominate you for adminship for a second time Doctor BrunoTalk 12:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Dr. Bruno,

Thanks for the offer, but as I told Nichalp, I am not considering adminship now. Since this question is coming again and again, I think I should tell the reasons for it.

First of all, my mid-term exams are going on. I will be busy for another week and will have very limited acticity. Secondly, by the end of my first RfA, I took up a challenging academic project in real life that I have to conclude. This project has taken almost 4 hours a day of my time, so my average editing time on Wikipedia is down to 2 hours a day from 6 hours a day. This pattern will remain till the end of September. Also, it would be a bad idea to go for adminship when the things I plan to do after adminship (like work on AfDs, et al) are being hardly done by me now. So I would wait another 2 weeks before accepting the offer. That means I am not considering adminship before mid-october.

Anyways, it was nice to get offer from you too, considering we have known each other for very little time. Regards, — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:39, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I know you for a long time Doctor BrunoTalk 12:45, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Admin

Hello Dr. Thank you. I am thinking of adminship, but would like to wait for some more time. There are 2 reasons for that - (1) I have a busy 2 weeks at college coming up. (2) There is still some more that I would like to do before applying for adminship. - Aksi_great (talk) 15:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Belated thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA. Consensus to promote was reached, and I am now an administrator. I'll be using the tools cautiously at first, and everyone should feel welcome to peer over my shoulder and make sure I'm not doing anything foolish. --Robth^Talk 04:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Modifications to Reservations in India Article

Hi, I have modified Reservations in Tamilnadu section to improve readability and to eliminate repeated sentences which convey same meanings. Pl review and give your comments Thanks Ravikumar

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A)My top 3 are... India, Tamil Nadu, Cricket

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A)Yes.

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A)Yes.

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A)Yes.

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Writing in Tamil

Hi, I need help. I wish to know how can I include Tamil letters in Article. I searched for words like "Writing in Tamil","Tamil Writing" etc. I could not find it.It would be helpful if you can guide me on this.

Thanks & Regards L.RAVIKUMAR

http://gilli.in/readwrite-in-tamil/ Doctor BrunoTalk 02:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Photograph of Sachin Tendulkar

Hey there! Can you get an appropriate photograph of Sachin with necessary copyright information? If so, we can put that in Sachin Tendulkar article. I am trying too. We can raise a request in India related notice board too, if required. Without a photograph, the article(which is potential FA!) is looking bit dull. - KNM ^{Talk - Contribs} 04:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poverty in India

Hi,

I have re-organized and expanded the Poverty in India article. Would you re-visit the article and consider changing your vote?

Thanx.

--Richard 18:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

afd related

Doctorbruno,

I noticed that you participated in the following afd and voting to keep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nandini_Rajendran

Your argument was very sensible. I did not stumble across the afd until today (the decision was reached last month looks like.) Otherwise I too would have voted to Keep it.

Seems like they have deleted a normal article about a famous Coimbatore person. So I have listed it for Undelete today. I would appreciate it if you could kindly vote "Overturn" in the deletion review:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review

Thanks! TriColor.

==Ilayaraja or Ilaiyaraja or Ilaiyaraaja?==

Dear Dr. Bruno,

I thank you for some of your work and comments on the Ilaiyaraja page. I am thinking about standardising how his name is stated in Wikipedia. Please go to the "Discussion" page for Ilaiyaraja [1] and please give me your opinion. Your interest in Tamil Wikis and your knowledge in the Tamil industry and Tamil culture will be a boon to the improvement of this page. If you know other Tamil Wikipedians, could you please direct them to this "Discussion" page so that they could provide their opinions regarding this issue? Thank you. Splashprince 06:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

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• Question 1: Of the 14 editors to answer Q1; 3 editors (21%) chose option A), 6 editors (43%) chose option B), 2 editors (14%) chose option C), 1 editor (7%) chose option D) & 2 editors (14%) chose option E), saying "People need to be nicer to one another. The other site I tend to inhabit is much more civil, and always has been" & "It really depends on the individual; some are as nice as ever while others have acquired noticeably dourer dispositions."

• Question 2: Of the 7 editors to answer Q2; 3 editors (43%) chose option A), 2 editors (29%) chose option B) & 2 editors (29%) chose option D), saying "The focus needs to be more on building the encyclopedia, and less on internal politics, in my opinion" & "Passive aggressiveness is more prominent than before."

• Question 3: Of the 14 editors to answer Q3; 4 editors (29%) chose option A), 2 editors (14%) chose option C), 3 editors (21%) chose option D) & 5 editors (36%) chose option E), saying "Admins need to realize their behaviors reflect on the entire Wikipedia community" & "Again, it depends on the individual" & "Administrators are not as professional as they should be."

• Question 4: Of the 14 editors to answer Q4; 8 editors (57%) chose option A), 5 editors (36%) chose option C) & 1 editor (7%) chose option E), saying "It depends on the definition of "serious". I've been involved in some that got fairly acrimonious, but mostly over things that might be considered relatively trivial in some quarters."

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• Question 7: Of the 14 editors to answer Q7; 8 editors (57%) chose option A), 4 editors (29%) chose option C) & 2 editors (14%) chose option E), saying "For the most part, yes" & "Yes, but not always (but more than 'Sometimes')."

• Question 8: Of the 14 editors to answer Q8; 5 editors (36%) chose option A), 6 editors (43%) chose option B), 2 editors (14%) chose option C) & 1 editor (7%) chose option E), saying "Only to deal with real life time consuming things."

• Question 9: Of the 14 editors to answer Q9; 9 editors (64%) chose option A), 1 editor (7%) chose option B), 3 editors (21%) chose option C), & 1 editor (7%) chose option E), saying "I suppose I have, but not directly. I haven't spoken to someone directly and said, okay let's work on this together."

• Question 10: Of the 14 editors to answer Q10; 2 editors (14%) chose option A), 7 editors (50%) chose option B), 4 editors (29%) chose option C) & 1 editor (7%) chose option D).

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Reservations article

doctorbruno, i dont know if you have noticed that an anonymous user is repeatedly deleting sections of the reservations in india article and refuses to even provide edit summaries. i have tried to ask him not to do this and only met with 'i dont need your permission to delete'. ravikumar is trying too. could you try also? thanks. Iitmsriram 17:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)