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V Prostijově...
[edit]Zdravím, I just put File:V Prostijově na renko.jpg into Moravian dialects article after expanding it with some regional-specific info. Thought it might be good to include this poem as an example text, but I have no idea what some words mean, could you enlighten? And see if my translation is correct
| Haná | Czech | English |
|---|---|---|
| V Prostijově na renko, je tam pěkny stáni
Stojijó tam na něm štere koně vrany |
V Prostějově na ??? je tam pěkné stání
Stojí tam na něm čtyři koně vrané |
In Prostějov on the ??? there is a nice stable
Four black horses stand there |
feel free to correct / fill in and add the table to the article yourself, or use a different text if you know a better one. Thanks - filelakeshoe 19:05, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for expanding the article! As for the problematic parts: Moravian na renko (Czech na rynku) means 'on the market square'; Moravian stáni means rather 'stall' than 'stable'. I nonetheless leave the final translation up to you as you have better English language intuition than me. Magairlin (talk) 19:22, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Just wondering in that second bit of Haná text, what do the letters ê and ô represent? Is ô the same as in Slovak /wo/? - filelakeshoe 11:17, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
- They are usually described as 'wide (open) e, resp. o', but I don't dare to guess which IPA symbols would fit them best. They are reflexes of earlier y, resp. u (preserved in other dialects). This notation is very common in Central Moravian dialectological works. Magairlin (talk) 13:14, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
- Aha, so is ê then the same sound as Slovak ä? That's also a "široké é" but then this kind of thing differs between languages. I would guess the ô/o pair might be [o] and [ɔ] which are in complementary distribution in Czech pretty much. I found an article on naše řeč but no clue to IPA values. - filelakeshoe 18:41, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
- As the pronunciation differs according to the region, there is no simple answer to your question. I suppose that the sounds you suggest definitely hold in some dialects, but I'm not able to say much more about it. Magairlin (talk) 19:48, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
- Aha, so is ê then the same sound as Slovak ä? That's also a "široké é" but then this kind of thing differs between languages. I would guess the ô/o pair might be [o] and [ɔ] which are in complementary distribution in Czech pretty much. I found an article on naše řeč but no clue to IPA values. - filelakeshoe 18:41, 16 November 2012 (UTC)