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Adding {{BLP unsourced}} templates vs {{BLP sources}} template
Hi there, nice work with the MMAbot. However, I think task 10 is incorrect. Blpunsourced should only be used if there are no <ref tags AND there isn't a sherdog or boxrec link. If there are no ref tags but there is a sherdog or boxrec link then {{BLP sources}} and {{no footnotes}} should be used. Cheers The-Pope (talk) 05:17, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- I had similar concerns when I noticed that an admin was going around behind MMABot changing many of the {{BLP unsourced}} templates to {{BLP sources}}. I asked them about the situation and they gave me to the go ahead to continue as it has been. It only flags a small number of articles as unsourced, and once this first pass finishes (I'm almost half-way though) then I expect it'll rarely flag an article as unsourced. If it gets to be too much of a concern, I have no problems making modifications. --TreyGeek (talk) 05:27, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- I guess I'm pushing my own POV on this matter, but it's based on two important concepts. technically, new unsourced BLPs can be deleted via Blp prod and whilst the arguments on refs vs links remain unanswered, it isn't unheard of for linked but not reffed articles to be nominated for deletion. Secondly and most importantly, the "needs more sources" and "your links should be refs" messages given by the two templates I suggested give inexperienced editors a much more accurate idea of what needs to be done than a straight unreferenced tag. I wonder if your bot with some code changes could be used to help standardise articles in other sports? The-Pope (talk) 06:20, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- I agree with your points in regards to the usage of the two templates. (Even if I don't necessarily agree with the consensus that a link to Sherdog or other databases in an infobox is a reference.) Tonight, I'll review the code that puts those templates on articles. I think the initial concern resulting in making the change complex is recognizing all possible "sources" in an article. This would include:
- Infobox parameters for Sherdog, Boxrec, and website
- An external links section with links.
- Raw URLs placed inline within the article.
- I agree with your points in regards to the usage of the two templates. (Even if I don't necessarily agree with the consensus that a link to Sherdog or other databases in an infobox is a reference.) Tonight, I'll review the code that puts those templates on articles. I think the initial concern resulting in making the change complex is recognizing all possible "sources" in an article. This would include:
- I guess I'm pushing my own POV on this matter, but it's based on two important concepts. technically, new unsourced BLPs can be deleted via Blp prod and whilst the arguments on refs vs links remain unanswered, it isn't unheard of for linked but not reffed articles to be nominated for deletion. Secondly and most importantly, the "needs more sources" and "your links should be refs" messages given by the two templates I suggested give inexperienced editors a much more accurate idea of what needs to be done than a straight unreferenced tag. I wonder if your bot with some code changes could be used to help standardise articles in other sports? The-Pope (talk) 06:20, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- There may be other possibilities as well, particularly in the very poorly written/formatted articles. The last two may be accomplished by looking for "[http://", though some external link templates such as {{imdb}} would still be an issue. Something to look into I guess.
- As for MMABot editing other sports articles, I'm not sure. Certainly a lot of code could be reused, but it has been tailored to editing {{Infobox martial artist}} and MMA record tables. If a request were made on MMABot's talk page I'd consider looking into it in a month or two when I'm finished with the current round of MMA fighter articles. --TreyGeek (talk) 15:39, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- Any chance of you tweaking the bot to NOT tag articles with the Sherdog or Boxrec link as being {{BLP unsourced}}, but instead have it tag with {{No footnotes}} and {{BLP sources}}. Still getting a few each day. Thanks, The-Pope (talk) 17:03, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
- As mentioned above, there are a lot of potential corner cases of when {{BLP unsourced}} should and shouldn't be used by the guidelines you are saying are in effect. Therefore, I'll be removing the functionality of MMABot flagging articles as unsourced due to the complexity of the issue. I may manually flag articles myself, but there will be no guarantees that I will do so consistently. --TreyGeek (talk) 17:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
- Any chance of you tweaking the bot to NOT tag articles with the Sherdog or Boxrec link as being {{BLP unsourced}}, but instead have it tag with {{No footnotes}} and {{BLP sources}}. Still getting a few each day. Thanks, The-Pope (talk) 17:03, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
- As for MMABot editing other sports articles, I'm not sure. Certainly a lot of code could be reused, but it has been tailored to editing {{Infobox martial artist}} and MMA record tables. If a request were made on MMABot's talk page I'd consider looking into it in a month or two when I'm finished with the current round of MMA fighter articles. --TreyGeek (talk) 15:39, 14 February 2012 (UTC)