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February 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, but at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Acupuncture, did not appear to be constructive and has been automatically reverted (undone) by ClueBot NG.

• Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Note that human editors do monitor recent changes to Wikipedia articles, and administrators have the ability to block users from editing if they repeatedly engage in vandalism.
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• The following is the log entry regarding this warning: Acupuncture was changed by Luke643 (u) (t) ANN scored at 0.943825 on 2011-02-08T18:15:42+00:00 . Thank you. ClueBot NG (talk) 18:16, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Welcome and suggestion

Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that you have the same frustration that I had when I first came here, and I kept having it for many months. Your edits keep getting deleted because of Wikipedia technicalities. I see in the above section that one of your edits was even deleted by a "bot" (an automated nonhuman "editor"). Your hard work is never "lost". Click on the article's history tab, look for appearances of your name, and click on the date next to it. Your edited page will appear, and you can then click on "edit" and you can recover all of it. Similarly, you can click on the empty dots, and you can easily compare exact changes that were made to it (including sources you included) (the page showing changes is called the "diffs"), and you can copy your complete edits easily from there. If you have any questions on anything, you can leave them on my talk page and I will help if I can, or refer you to another helpful editor (editors I found helpful are listed on my user page if you want to contact them directly, User:Ludwigs2 is a helpful pro-alternative medicine editor). It is hard not to get frustrated at first, but that will pass. PPdd (talk) 20:26, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I am starting to get used to it now. I will keep trying. Luke643 (talk) 16:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)luke643

If you reply to an editor, take the colons in front of their remark that you are replying to (e.g., "::"), and add one more to them (e.g., "::::"), and start a new line with your reply. This is how we organize talk page comments and replies. So if you reply to me, since my reply had 3 colons before it, yours reply would have 4 before it. Try it out by replying to this comment. PPdd (talk) 17:02, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

did i do that right? :) Luke643 (talk) 17:07, 9 February 2011 (UTC)Luke643

Nope, you forgot to add the colonsmmas before your reply. Look at the edit page how I copied your reply, and the next line how I put colons in front - PPdd (talk) 17:38, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

"did i do that right? :) Luke643 (talk) 17:07, 9 February 2011 (UTC)Luke643"

"did i do that right? :) Luke643 (talk) 17:07, 9 February 2011 (UTC)Luke643"

Keep trying. You'll get it. One colon indents one space, two indents two spaces, etc.. Now I'll do what's called "refactoring" and fix the indents. That's allowed. Then you can look at the code and see why things end up looking the way they do.

Why is Luke643 appearing after the time stamp? Are you using four colons, no more and no less? There shouldn't be anything there but air. -- Brangifer (talk) 17:45, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Luke643 after the time stamp might be a copy error I made, trying to fix things when his signature appeared with an indent might have confused the educative graphics I was trying to demonstrate to him. PPdd (talk) 18:51, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

No, according to the edit history Luke643 added that twice (I linked one example). All the others were because you copied them. You need to be much more careful about copying other people's stuff, especially with their signature, because I thought that Luke643 had made those edits. You've been cautioned about this before in other places. It creates confusion. I know that Hans Adler has been after you and has not AGF. I know it's because you're relatively new (and Luke643 is MUCH newer) and you both have a tendency to be like a bull in a china closet. Be more careful, go slow, make small edits, make suggested edits on the talk page and discuss them first before touching the article. When you're more experienced you can more easily make bold edits. Right now you're (both!) often making article edits that cause problems. -- Brangifer (talk) 20:00, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Brang. Although you co-opted the "bull (moose)" name, I have to boast that I once really knocked into a table of China at an antique shop, which made a GIANT noise, followed by deafening silence. Nothing was broken... but there's always a next time. PPdd (talk) 20:06, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. Bran, I was a bit hasty here. But there are serious problems in the Acupuncture page. I will attempt to get at them in discussion and let others edit the main page.

I think yo should make edits you want, but expect many of them to be deleted. I disagree with some editors on WP:Bold, and I do not find your edits more disruptive than many other editors, especially since you are brand new. For, example, I undid many of your edits, but not all of them, so I found legitimacy in some of them. I think a good way to learn is to read the edit summaries, and modify your edits according to them, not to just give up. Just as you have to put up with deletion of your work, other editors (like me) have to put up with edits I disagree with. One of my favorite things about Wiki is the diversity of POVs expressed in the edits, good or bad. Just do it! (but don't foget to read WP:Civility linked at the top of that article. PPdd (talk) 21:42, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Your recent edits

Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You could also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 16:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Acupuncture article

i have been monitoring the progress (or lack thereof) on the acu page. it seems like it will be a pretty uphill battle to make it non-POV, please don't give up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.187.140.30 (talk) 22:28, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

thanks, whomever you are! At the moment I am taking a break. The POV is extreme, and is a response to a previous POV that was too far the other way. I might get back to it, but I have a thesis to write! After that I can spend some real time on the project. but again, thanks.Luke643 (talk) 14:36, 20 February 2011 (UTC)