User talk:Llin0638
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[edit]Very broadly, my answer would be: "tens of thousands of mistakes are corrected on here every day". There are a lot of big, systemic problems that are reflected in parts of this site: it might be my biggest personal mission as an editor on here to make the most important articles about China much better, and make them shine to really do justice to the fascinating place they came from.
We don't tolerate users who consistently add original research or seek to preserve POV in articles. However, work is generally voluntary, and sanctions against editors are meant to prevent future disruption, not to punish them for their behavior as such. So, while a ton of work is done every day, the wiki is very big, and some work requires hours of volunteer intention from editors with specific interests, but we're trying the best we can. I do not want to brag, but I spent much of last year taking the Chinese characters article from a very poor state until it became one of our good articles. I'm very proud of that, and I want to do some of that for this and essentially every other important China article that needs it—check back in a few years, please! :) Remsense诉 04:04, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for explaining it. I realised I've been very rude to you when I pointed out my views initially, but your kind patience made me notice there is something I can do to improve Wikipedia.
- Can I ask except for giving suggestions with sources, what else can I do to modify some mistakes? Because when you tell me you are not the chief editor but yet you keep reply to my comments and have the authority to un-adoption my suggestions I get confused. So if I think something is wrong, will the chief editor (who is this person anyway) take into account of my views and looking for reference, or I must do it all by my own without having the chance talking to other editors? If I don't offer source in time, I have to wait for years for the changing? Asdfa06 (talk) 04:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- So, that page is very rare amid all the pages on the site: a small number of pages have that edit request feature due to previous history of vandalism. Most pages you are free to edit as much as I am. I just happen to be the one who saw your request pop up in my WP:Watchlist of pages I keep track of. The filter is only on new users, so anyone with 500 edits is not subject to the filter. I say that to reiterate that I have no special role anywhere, I just happen to be chatty. Remsense诉 04:28, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I see. So it's basically depending on contributors themselves to make changes happen. Asdfa06 (talk) 05:05, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah! Wikipedia is entirely a volunteer project on the day-to-day level. What I like to say about it is: it's basically achieved one of the possible societal structures for organizing a collective project of this size and scope—with the key caveat that no one is ever required to do anything they do not want to do, which isn't true in many other societies.
Remsense诉 05:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah! Wikipedia is entirely a volunteer project on the day-to-day level. What I like to say about it is: it's basically achieved one of the possible societal structures for organizing a collective project of this size and scope—with the key caveat that no one is ever required to do anything they do not want to do, which isn't true in many other societies.
- I see. So it's basically depending on contributors themselves to make changes happen. Asdfa06 (talk) 05:05, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- So, that page is very rare amid all the pages on the site: a small number of pages have that edit request feature due to previous history of vandalism. Most pages you are free to edit as much as I am. I just happen to be the one who saw your request pop up in my WP:Watchlist of pages I keep track of. The filter is only on new users, so anyone with 500 edits is not subject to the filter. I say that to reiterate that I have no special role anywhere, I just happen to be chatty. Remsense诉 04:28, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also, I checked you page and found out your efforts in Chinese characters and that's amazing. I didn't quite understand how Wikipedia work before today. I just don't have faith in it at all. But thank you for letting me know today how can people actually contribute to make Wikipedia better.
- And if there was anything of my words made you uncomfortable and feel not been respected I apologise for all of them. Asdfa06 (talk) 04:27, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Don't worry about a thing! If I can be honest, I'm really happy that you were patient with me, as all these things aren't obvious for new editors, I know from experience! Plus like you said, these are sensitive subjects and we all really want them to be represented like they deserve. And experienced editors can be a bit jaded and impatient with newcomers because their attitudes can be highly varied and many times engaging in good faith is not reciprocated, which makes us falter in giving every newcomer their due. But it makes it all worth it when someone like you really appreciates it, I mean it! Remsense诉 04:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wow thanks so much for this. The conversation was being very tension for me and suddenly get much relief. I just managed to join the WikiProject China. You really helped me to understand that I can really start to do something that can impact the world. I hope I won't give up on this.
- I'm sorry about the way our conversation started. It's so valuable for you to guide me in.
- A lot, lot of thanks. :) Asdfa06 (talk) 05:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I insist you have nothing at all to feel bad about. Thank you! Remsense诉 05:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- ❤️ Asdfa06 (talk) 05:43, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm so happy you enjoy ancient Chinese by the way. Asdfa06 (talk) 05:56, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- As someone with no real personal background with a connection to China, I think it's still remarkable how recent and ongoing the cultural dialogue between "the West" (to the extent these entities exist) and China. The I Ching didn't have a well-known English translation until after my uncle had been born. Hopefully this isn't cloying or in any way minimizing the deep seriousness of parts, but in a sense "we're still getting to know each other".
Remsense诉 06:04, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. I believe all human nature are the same, no matter which group of "country" or geography they come from. As for the English world and Chinese world, we are still struggling in the first stage of getting to know each other. I hope one day people from both sides will know though we write our historical stories and wisdom in different language, there's no the better ones. They are all valuable in the same level.
- I'm glad you enjoy I Ching. I feel so lucky I don't need to put in extra energy to understand ancient Chinese wisdom as Chinese happen to be my native language. Asdfa06 (talk) 06:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's complicated, as I would feel uncomfortable articulating any sense of human essence or nature, but at the same time there are a lot of people who feel that way and then impose that onto Chinese thought, even though it definitely contains those things. Remsense诉 06:40, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I understand what you mean, and I hope you know I didn't mean Chinese ancient thoughts represents much more about human essence when I mentioned ancient Chinese wisdom. It's more like I like Chinese better when I thinking about some part of human essence, while I like English better when I think about other parts of human essence. It's just in recent years' personal experience ancient Chinese thoughts happen to guide me more, and make me start to truly understand the wisdom behind it (but at the same time I'm not denying any thoughts or wisdom in English/German, etc).
- It's only recent years when I trying to seek for solution for my real life problem in ancient Chinese thoughts did I realise how amazing the power is that hidden in the old words. I also look for inspiration for my daily life in English world as well. They are very different experience but are same valuable for me. I tend to choose one of the languages to think when I face different situation. They somehow have different expertise in providing guidance, in my personal view.
- That's why I said I'm glad you enjoy it because I thought you can have the same amazing experience as I did. Llin0638 (talk) 07:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Had a second look and I'm not sure if I correctly understand you saying the imposing human essanse on Chinese thoughts things. But I may need to explain that I'm talking about different things in the two paragraphs. The wisdom part is just some general comments, not about how I Ching or other Chinese thoughts well explained (or mainly focused on) human nature something. :) Llin0638 (talk) 07:29, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I was just musing! Basically, I'm sure you're aware of how a lot of Western people sorta see Eastern thought as something extremely mystical and unknowable as an escapist thing, right? I always try to keep in mind that my favorite Western commentators are often very interested in Eastern things because of how they differ from Western things, not in how they are similar Remsense诉 08:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ohhhhh I see lol. Yes so many differences. Llin0638 (talk) 08:17, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I was just musing! Basically, I'm sure you're aware of how a lot of Western people sorta see Eastern thought as something extremely mystical and unknowable as an escapist thing, right? I always try to keep in mind that my favorite Western commentators are often very interested in Eastern things because of how they differ from Western things, not in how they are similar Remsense诉 08:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's complicated, as I would feel uncomfortable articulating any sense of human essence or nature, but at the same time there are a lot of people who feel that way and then impose that onto Chinese thought, even though it definitely contains those things. Remsense诉 06:40, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- As someone with no real personal background with a connection to China, I think it's still remarkable how recent and ongoing the cultural dialogue between "the West" (to the extent these entities exist) and China. The I Ching didn't have a well-known English translation until after my uncle had been born. Hopefully this isn't cloying or in any way minimizing the deep seriousness of parts, but in a sense "we're still getting to know each other".
- I insist you have nothing at all to feel bad about. Thank you! Remsense诉 05:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Don't worry about a thing! If I can be honest, I'm really happy that you were patient with me, as all these things aren't obvious for new editors, I know from experience! Plus like you said, these are sensitive subjects and we all really want them to be represented like they deserve. And experienced editors can be a bit jaded and impatient with newcomers because their attitudes can be highly varied and many times engaging in good faith is not reciprocated, which makes us falter in giving every newcomer their due. But it makes it all worth it when someone like you really appreciates it, I mean it! Remsense诉 04:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
