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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Goodbye to the age of Steam.jpg
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This is an automated message from CorenSearchBot. I have performed a web search with the contents of Goodbye to the Age of Steam, and it appears to include a substantial copy of http://www.bigbigtrain.com/recordings/goodbye.html. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences.
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Do not blank your talk page
[edit]Please READ the messages above. Images and articles must comply with Wikipedia's criteria. Deleting messages give the impression that you do not care about the policies and conventions here. Please contact me if you have any questions. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
From Wikipedia's music notability criteria: A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:
- It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable.[1]
- This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, and television documentaries[2] except for the following:
- Media reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician/ensemble talks about themselves, and advertising for the musician/ensemble.
- Works comprising merely trivial coverage, such as newspaper articles that simply report performance dates or the publications of contact and booking details in directories.
- An article in a school or university newspaper (or similar) would generally be considered trivial but should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
- This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, and television documentaries[2] except for the following:
- Has had a charted hit on any national music chart.
- Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country.
- Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country, reported in reliable sources.[3]
- Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
- Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such.
- Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.
- Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury or Grammis award.
- Has won or placed in a major music competition.
- Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that page.)
- Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network.
- Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network.
Please provide proper sourcing for Big Big Train that shows it meets one or more of these criteria. Thanks! - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Notability of Andy Poole (bassist)
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Orphaned non-free media (Image:Goodbye to the age of Steam.jpg)
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Another editor has added the {{prod}}
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userbox relocation
[edit]Hi, just a heads-up that a userbox you have on your pages (media is brainwashing tool) has changed location to User:Sappho'd/Userboxes/MainMediaBS
Cheers. Drywontonmee (talk) 09:40, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Oxford Wikimania 2010 and Wikimedia UK v2.0 Notice
[edit]Hi,
As a regularly contributing UK Wikipedian, we were wondering if you wanted to contribute to the Oxford bid to host the 2010 Wikimania conference. Please see here for details of how to get involved, we need all the help we can get if we are to put in a compelling bid.
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Image:BBT.JPG listed for deletion
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Image:Nick_D'Virgilio.JPG listed for deletion
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Possibly unfree Image:Pete63small.JPG
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WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for March 2009
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The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 24 - March 2009 | |
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LizParker and Cavie78 joined the alternative music fold during March.
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WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for April 2009
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The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 25 - April 2009 | |
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WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for May 2009
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The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 26 - May 2009 | |
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WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for June 2009
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WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for July 2009
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The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 28 - July 2009 | |
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Guitarherochristopher and Andrzejbanas joined the alternative music fold during July.
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WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for August 2009
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The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 29 - August 2009 | |
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Dylan620, SteelersFan UK06, Guitarherochristopher and Thatguykalem joined the alternative music fold during August.
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I hope this will enhance your editing, and allow you to edit successfully and without disruption. Syrthiss (talk) 17:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Unreferenced BLPs
[edit]Hello LizParker! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 1 of the articles that you created is tagged as an Unreferenced Biography of a Living Person. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to insure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. if you were to bring this article up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current 270 article backlog. Once the article is adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the article:
- David Longdon - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
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Copyright problem: David Longdon
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Survey
[edit]Hi LizParker!
I have put together a survey for female editors of Wikipedia (and related projects) in order to explore, in greater detail, women's experiences and roles within the Wikimedia movement. It'd be wonderful if you could participate!
It's an independent survey, done by me, as a fellow volunteer Wikimedian. It is not being done on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation. I hope you'll participate!
Just click this link to participate in this survey, via Google!
Any questions or concerns, feel free to email me or stop by my user talk page. Also, feel free to share this any other female Wikimedians you may know. It is in English, but any language Wikimedia participants are encouraged to participate. I appreciate your contributions - to the survey and to Wikipedia! Thank you! SarahStierch (talk) 05:09, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia policy allows us to link to legal streamed copies of albums. It would be useful to draw up a guideline on how and when to link to such albums; however, there is concern that it may not be appropriate as the music would not be available in all parts of the world. Is the benefit of having access to the music for most users outweighed by the fact that some users will follow a link to find the music is not playable in their region? Your view would be helpful at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums. SilkTork ✔Tea time 02:25, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
A belated welcome!
[edit]Here's wishing you a belated welcome to Wikipedia, LizParker. I see that you've already been around a while and wanted to thank you for your contributions. Though you seem to have been successful in finding your way around, you may benefit from following some of the links below, which help editors get the most out of Wikipedia:
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Again, welcome! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:35, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
- ^ Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopaedia article. The published works must be someone else writing about the musician, ensemble, composer, or lyricist. (See Wikipedia:Attribution#Self-published sources for details about the reliability of self-published sources, and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for treatment of promotional, vanity material.) The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the subject itself have actually considered the musician, ensemble, composer, or lyricist notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works that focus upon it. The rationale for this is easy to see -- someone simply talking about themselves in their own personal blog, website, book publisher, etc. does not automatically mean they have sufficient attention in the world at large to be called notable. If that was so then everyone could have an article. Wikipedia is not a directory.
- ^ What constitutes a "published work" is deliberately broad.
- ^ The application of this criterion is disputed; see discussion on talk page.
Speedy deletion nomination of File:BBT Make Some Noise.jpg
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Proposed deletion of Riley Jenson
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- This is for the main character, but the book itself doesn't have an article - v. strange. No evidence that this character is WP:NOTABLE.
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Invitation to WikiProject Post-hardcore
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Nomination of Fourth Alien for deletion
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Nomination of From the River to the Sea for deletion
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September 2022
[edit]Hello. Your recent edit to Bournemouth appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person, organization or product added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you. - Arjayay (talk) 18:07, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
The redirect From the river to the sea (album) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 10 § From the river to the sea (album) until a consensus is reached. GnocchiFan (talk) 21:34, 10 October 2023 (UTC)