User talk:Lightningmatt
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Algodoo Wikipedia Page Edits
[edit]Hello. Can you go into more information on why you removed a large chunk of the page I was working on? (ThisIsKen (talk) 21:02, 1 January 2020 (UTC))
Violation of: WP:OR (you did your own research on forum posts, which are not very reliable) WP:NPV (the "controversy" section was biased towards your point of view; namely, that Algodoo's tech was outdated and the admins were in the wrong in their opinion of the place of marble races, camps, etc. on Algobox) WP:V (shoddy citations related to the first category) WP:N (sections relating to YouTubers, for example, are a tiny category. This is not helped by the language used, such as "influencing a generation of people", which implies a viewership somewhere in the millions) Lightningmatt (talk) 21:27, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
I have only used Wikipedia for 3 days at the time of writing. I think we'd agree that it would be unreasonable to think that I would know all of the rules by this time. I feel that the language you used is cold, hostile and unwelcoming. Do you want to move this over to the talk page of Algodoo? I disagree with some of your claims. (ThisIsKen (talk) 21:38, 1 January 2020 (UTC))
Sure, that is fine. I'd like to note that I've made less than 15 edits myself and I am just trying to be formal. Lightningmatt (talk) 21:43, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
I don't think being formal includes using what I stated above. You should check this page out sometime so you don't unintentionally offend other people in the future. I hope to see you on the talk page!
Link to the page mentioned above: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers
Link to the talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Algodoo
(ThisIsKen (talk) 22:04, 1 January 2020 (UTC))
- (edit conflict) OK, ThisIsKen: I've looked at the edits, and I'm afraid I generally agree with Lightningmatt. If you do not have a reliable published source for information, do not put it in an article, period. Unsourced information in Wikipedia is in a sense worthless: the person who entered it may have been careless, mistaken, or malicious; and even if it was absolutely correct, it may have been altered by somebody who was any of those. Because Wikipedia is user-generated, no specific thing in it should be taken as reliable; but if it is cited, then a reader for whom the information is important, can check it.
- The {{citation needed}} template is not intended to be used as you have used it. In an ideal world, no unsourced information would ever have been entered into Wikipedia. In a slightly less ideal world, every time somebody found unsourced information, they researched it, and either found a source, or removed the information. Sometimes I have done just that. But Wikipedia editors are volunteers who put in the time they choose, and work on what interests them. It is much easier to do a "drive-by tagging", and hope that somebody else will come along and fix it later. Most of the unsourced material (and certainly most of the inadequately sourced articles) go back a long way: we have become more careful about these things now, and Lightningmatt was right to remove it all.
- What you can do in such circumstances, ThisIsKen, is to ask for sources before you consider putting the material into an article. You could do so on the article's talk page; you could find an appropriate WikiProject if there is an active one, and ask there. You could ask at the computing section of the Reference Desk. None of these are guaranteed answers, of course. But if you can't find any sources, and you ask in those places and nobody else comes back with one, there is a good chance that the information is not published, and does not belong in Wikipedia, no matter how convinced you are that it is correct.
- A note to Lightnigmatt: I see you say you are a newish editor too. Please remember that this is a collaborative project. You have evidently found out about those various abbreviations like and WP:OR, WP:V; but please, especially with a new user, take the time to explain what you are talking about rather than throwing a series of TLA at them. Collaboration is much more important than formality!
- And finally: happy new year, and welcome to editing Wikipedia, both. I hope you will find it rewarding, as I do. --ColinFine (talk) 22:16, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! I will try my best to be kinder next time. :) Lightningmatt (talk) 22:53, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
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