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Wheel of Death

There's a problem with you moving Wheel of death (Aerial arts) to Wheel of death (Circus act). One of the other "Wheel of death" articles is also sometimes a circus act. Wheel of death (Impalement arts) refers to a stunt done by knife throwers. I know you thought you had come up with a more precise description in fact you have introduced ambiguity and made things less precise. Can you please either undo the move or suggest a new title which doesn't lead to potential confusion - maybe Wheel of death (Aerial act) could be a better compromise? Circusandmagicfan (talk) 20:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)Cirusandmagicfan[reply]

Thanks for your kind remarks about my interest in circus articles - and thanks also for your own interest. I disagree on the change to "Wheel of death (Wheel of Steel)" - it seems counter to Wikipedia principles such as WP:NPOV to decide the title on the basis of the proprietary name used by a particular circus. Just because it suits Ringling's PR purposes does not mean it is the generic term used in the business. I also disagree with your assertion that it isn't an aerial act (and I've heard performers talk in those terms). It has always been grouped in with aerial acts - and surely you'd have to accept that it takes place with the performers up in the air above the ring?

Circusandmagicfan (talk) 08:01, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Circusandmagicfan[reply]

Thanks for at least engaging in rational argument about this. I hope we can work something out.

It is interesting to hear about your qualifications but largely irrelevant in terms of resolving our disagreement on this matter. I could equally well claim certain expertise as a result of my researches over the years. The point is that Wikipedia operates a ban on editors relying on their own personal expertise as a source of justification for edits (see WP:NOR).

I accept you and certain other artists might have a very specific definition of aerial acts, however it is not universal. For example, dictionary definitions of "aerialist" seem rather broader than those you use. I have also consulted a friend who is an acknowledged expert on circus history and he agrees that the "Wheel of Steel"/"Space Wheel" is an aerial act. I'm not seeking to use his opinion as a source because (being as it's unpublished) that would contravene WP:NOR, I'm just illustrating that there are different points of view which all have some validity.

Perhaps we can resolve the problem over this set of articles without having to resolve the aerial arts debate. I would be happy with the description "Space Wheel" because that seems to be what it was called when it first appeared in the 1930s (see [1]). The main problem that remains as I see it is that the disambiguation page still uses the term "circus act" to differentiate this entry from the one about the knife throwing Wheel of death. Clearly both are circus acts. I will try another description on the disambiguation page in the hope of finding an acceptable compromise.

Circusandmagicfan (talk) 17:47, 26 June 2008 (UTC)Circusandmagicfan[reply]

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