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Michigan - Ohio State rivalry

Please discuss your edits on Talk before making them again, so we can sort out the most sensible way to handle things. Thanks! JohnInDC (talk) 18:53, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

See the appropriate talk page. Levdr1lp (talk) 18:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I am not going to 3RR template you but your unwillingness to consider any variation to your (unsourced!) surmises about OSU's actions today - and its implication for Tressel's "official" record - is discouraging and, in my view, a problem. JohnInDC (talk) 19:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I *will* template you this time. The sources - of questionable reliability on the immediate question in the first place - disagree. Your edits reflect your own personal interpreation of which one is the better one, and as such are inappropriate. Please stop making them. JohnInDC (talk) 23:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Please see the appropriate talk page. Levdr1lp (talk) 23:14, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that edit

And I mean that sincerely. Thanks again. JohnInDC (talk) 01:22, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

A thousand pardons

I am terribly sorry. I just noticed. I am very glad I checked my contribs or I wouldn't have seen it. I must have clicked rollback somehow while doing something else both stupidly and quickly. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:22, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Ellison & Painesville

I was mistaken and jumped the gun. Harlan Ellison certainly grew up in Painesville, Ohio, a small to medium town some 20 to 30 miles from Cleveland along the coast, and an episode of the revived 1980s Twilight Zone written by HE about a writer returning to the small town he grew up in is autobiographical and about HE's return to Painesville as an adult. I myself attended a lecture by HE in Cleveland in 1988 in which he spoke at length about his youth in Paineville. However, according to Harlan Ellison: the edge of forever By Ellen Weil, Gary K. Wolfe, he was actually born in....Cleveland, and his family relocated to Painesville shortly after his birth. I apologize for my hastiness.--WickerGuy (talk) 00:46, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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WKNR/WWGK - NFL on Westwood One

Ohio Media Watch is a very respected media blog covering the happenings in Cleveland media. [1] If he puts some info either on his blog or on a message board, it's money in the bank. OMW has gone above and beyond talking about the new FM sports station coming to Cleveland, dropping all kinds of info (New program director, talent signings, etc.) So I feel confident in editing WKNR/WWGK to reflect the fact that they have lost the WW1 package. Vjmlhds 00:16, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

For the purposes of Wikipedia, a message board just isn't good enough. Levdr1lp (talk) 10:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Read it and weep, buddy boy: [2] Hate to say I told you so, but... Vjmlhds 17:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I have no problem with Ohio Media Watch (the blog, not from some message board). Just add it to the article and we're good. Levdr1lp (talk) 22:40, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Also, please use the established convention if you're going to post on my talk page. Colons, etc. Levdr1lp (talk) 22:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough about the message board/blog deal. Also, I got a little snotty with you because I felt you were getting a little bit up on your high horse with me, so it was a tit for tat thing. Listen, let's cut the advisarial stuff out, and work together. Vjmlhds 00:46, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

I will remove any future edits to my talk page which do not conform to the established convention on Wikipedia (colons, etc.). Levdr1lp (talk) 01:05, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

TV Station On Air Talent

LEAVE THE ON AIR TALENT FOR TV STATIONS ALONE! IF YOU CONTINUE TO DELETE THE TALENT ROSTERS ON ALL THE CLEVELAND STATIONS, I WILL HAVE YOU BLOCKED! KNOCK IT OFF, NOW! Vjmlhds 13:22, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Vjmlhds, I am new to local TV station articles. Up until recently, I have focused on radio station articles, where the established convention is not to list personalities (especially those w/o articles). Moreoever, Wikipedia:WikiProject_Television_Stations#Article_structure only suggests "information on its personalities, past and present". Per WP:EMBED, prose is preferred over lists:

'"Prose is preferred in articles as prose allows the presentation of detail and clarification of context, in a way that a simple list may not. Prose flows, like one person speaking to another, and is best suited to articles, because their purpose is to explain.

Aside from issues with the list format itself, I don't think every current on air personality at the local Fox affiliate in Cleveland, Ohio merits inclusion in that station's article. Qwyrxian has clued me in on the standard for TV stations, so I'll leave the issue alone for now. Also, as a reminder, please use established conventions when posting on my talk page: Wikipedia:Talk page layout; WP:SHOUT.  Levdr1lp  (talk) 22:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

While Vjmhlds's tone is incorrect, the basic message is correct. While lists of alumni must be restricted to only notable former employees (usually those w/own wikipages, occasionally one or two w/good refs), current employees can be listed without references. The current on air staff for station news teams is equivalent to a cast list on a television show or movie, and, as such, is an integral part of the information. The presumption is that the information can be verified either by actually watching the channel, or by the station's website (many of the articles actually maintain a link to the most current station biography page). Since this is a pretty widely held standard on TV station pages, I strongly recommend raising it on WP:WikiProject Television Stations before attempting to remove what does seem to be important info. TV station pages are awash in unsourced, likely even unverifiable info (slogans, history, etc.), so if you want to start cutting that out, I fully support you, but if you call current on air staff listcruft, that would seem to imply all actor lists should be removed from all tv shows. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:45, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll have to disagree with you (Qwyrxian), though I'll leave the issue alone for now. I just don't see how a laundry list of on air news personalities helps readers better understand the significance of a local tv station. I generally focus on radio station articles, where the "widely held standard" is not to list personalities; a written format is preferred. Also, I don't think the cast of a television show (say, that of The Sopranos) is really all that comparable to the news team of the local Fox affiliate in Cleveland, Ohio. Also note that the article I was editing was not for any one "show"; it was for a station which airs a range of programming, some local, some not. Something tells me that if the local news program on WJW were notable enough, it would have its own article. Regardless, thanks for cluing me in on the TV standard.  Levdr1lp  (talk) 21:30, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. It may well be an issue worth pursuing in the future (to be honest, I'd like to remove about 80% of the information in most of the TV station articles for one reason or another--usually, lack of verification), but even drawing a line on some of the simplest things has proven difficult in the face of high levels of resistance from both anonymous disruption and from local editors decrying the "destruction" of their station's page. I recently opened an RfC to remove all unsourced slogans from all tv station articles, and that floundered. Meh, with 3 million articles (and growing) they can't all be good...or even passable. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:04, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Vjmlhds post (heading added by Levdr1lp)

You just have to be that guy don't you... The flip happens TOMMOROW!!!!, in just a few hours...you don't have to wait till the very last second. COME ON, ALREADY! Sometimes, I think you just like being a pain in the @$$! Vjmlhds 18:59, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

If you don't stop with the holier than thou nonsense...You will be blocked! Vjmlhds 19:10, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

WKRK-FM will remain modern/alt rock until midnight tonight. The format flip is clearly noted in the lead and Sports Radio 92.3 sub-section. Changing the article's format prior to the station itself does Wikipedia readers a disservice.

Also, please use established conventions when posting on my talk page, including section headings so as to avoid mixing separate discussions: Wikipedia:Talk page layout.  Levdr1lp  (talk) 19:15, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Just can't, can you? Vjmlhds 19:18, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll back off...but beginning tommorow, I don't wanna hear anymore nonsense from you! Vjmlhds 19:32, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Changes will come at midnight tonight. That's been my intent all along. I've even added a sightly larger version of the new logo for user specifically in the infobox. Let's just not get ahead of ourselves.  Levdr1lp  (talk) 19:34, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Why did you remove my citation, Big Chuck & Little John?

Did you read the article? The citation is in paragraph 11 which confirms the new show. There are ALSO many other articles about this new show on Goggle. Please dont remove this without giving a reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.240.210.66 (talk) 23:37, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I haven't edited Big Chuck and Lil' John since you added your citation. Check the page history again.  Levdr1lp  (talk) 06:16, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Very odd indeed! I did add the citation than came back to see the article again and the citation needed was put back, I looked at the history, seen your user ID as the one that changed it, left you this message, and changed it back to show the citation. I just clicked UNDO to restore the previous revision. Now it's as if this never happened, LOL! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.240.210.66 (talk) 09:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Cleveland Christmas Music

WDOK, WMJI, and WFHM have all switched to Christmas music from now until after Christmas. All 3 station websites are all decked out in full Xmas regalia, and if you need a 3rd party to verify anything, go to Yes.com and checkout their playlist logs. It's all Christmas music. WDOK and WFHM have been doing this for years, and WMJI is just now getting in on it. It's notable to point out when 3 very different stations in the same city all suspend their normal format to go all Christmas, so leave the notes in the articles. Thank You. Vjmlhds 18:57, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Setting aside the issue of notability, you are still obligated to verify those claims. Failing that, either add {{Citation needed}} to the unsourced content, or remove it until it is properly sourced.  Levdr1lp  (talk) 21:42, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Sigh. Here's some more verification--[3] Seriously, it's almost like you want CIA clearance to simply point out the fact that 3 Cleveland radio stations suspended their normal formats to play Christmas music. I've given you the station's websites, YES.com, and now Ohio Media Watch. That's 3 sources...WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?! Vjmlhds 15:17, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

If your sources do in fact verify the claim, then simply add them to the appropriate articles using acceptable reference formats.  Levdr1lp  (talk) 07:18, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Sigh--again. I put the OMW story in as a reference for WDOK and WMJI, and I used WFHM's own website as a reference for "The Fish" as right on the front page, they flat out tell us that they're playing all Christmas music. Now go find someone else to pester will you? There's a difference between wanting to stick to code and being a "Wiki Hall Monitor" as it were. Vjmlhds 14:35, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Please use acceptable reference formats: "Raw links are not recommended in lieu of properly written out citations, even if placed between ref tags..." Also, stick to the content.  Levdr1lp  (talk) 16:57, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Seriously, I'm trying to work with you. But you simply can't IGNORE the fact that all these stations have suspended their normal formats for Christmas music. There has to be some sort of acknowledgement that for 6 weeks, WFHM, WDOK, and WMJI are going "off the board" (basically all stunting as it were). The stations' websites themselves are slapping us in the face with the fact they've gone Xmas as soon as we get there. Instead of merely erasing the information, put it in the article in a way that meets Wiki standards, because apparently no matter which way I go, I'm always wrong (at least according to you). Vjmlhds 23:20, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Clearly your Ohio Media Watch link verifies that Christmas music is being played on both WMJI and WDOK throughout the holiday season. Are those facts notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia? Quite frankly, I'm indifferent to whether they are or aren't (i.e., I am not compelled to add that info with a properly sourced citation to either article). However, if you feel compelled to add that info to the WMJI and WDOK articles, then by all means do so. Just be sure to add properly formatted citations. By properly formatted, I mean ref coding without brackets for the URL address -- that way readers can see what it is you're linking to instead of just a number. Or go a step further and use a citation template. Originally, I was willing to simply add {{citation needed}} templates, but you began removing them before I had a chance to finish (see edit here).  Levdr1lp  (talk) 06:04, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I will cop to not understanding "Wiki-ese" as fluently as you do. Let's do this...using the OMW link, put it in the WDOK article and reference it in the proper manner. You do it in the proper manner, and then I can see how it's done, so in the future when something like this happens, I'll know how it's done and not have any further problems. Vjmlhds 15:27, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Again, I am not compelled to add that information. I appreciate your willingness to cooperate now, though, which is why I will continue to support your idea of adding the holiday music info... but only if you add a properly formatted source. I already tried putting up a {{citation needed}} template when your edits lacked proper sources, but you took that down. Hence, the current situation we find ourselves in... But look, I'm not unreasonable. Just add a properly formatted citation, and we're good. It's not difficult. This is all you have to type: < ref > http://www.your-OMW-source.com < / ref > And don't add brackets on either side of the URL address -- if you do, the source will appear only as a bracketed number in the reference section (e.g., [2]). If you really want to aid Wikipedia readers, use a citation template via Wikipedia:Citation templates. (If you can figure out how to create a user account and edit content, I don't think you'll have any trouble using that page).  Levdr1lp  (talk) 01:34, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

OK, I think I have all my ducks in a row. I think the problem is that we both went all or nothing here when it didn't need to be. I had the information (which was sourced), and you had the know-how of how to meet the standards. Thanks for the heads up about how to meet standards. I think I can now go foward without needing my hand held. If we don't have anymore of these little pow-wows before 12/25, let me say Merry-Merry and Happy-Happy. Vjmlhds 15:17, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Excellent. If you want, feel free to put a note in each of their infoboxes (really). Happy Holidays.  Levdr1lp  (talk) 22:31, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

December 2011 post(s) by User:Vjmlhds moved to original discussion(s)

WP:MULTI. Please see original discussion: User_talk:Vjmlhds#Continued_personal_attacks.  Levdr1lp  (talk) 17:00, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:MULTI. Please see original discussion: User_talk:Vjmlhds#Mistake.  Levdr1lp  (talk) 16:37, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:MULTI. Please see original discussion: User_talk:Vjmlhds#Provide_rationale_for_non-free_images.  Levdr1lp  (talk) 20:19, 28 December 2011 (UTC)