User talk:Leaf2001br

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2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict

Hello Leaf,

Your last edits to 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict were reverted because the passages were unsourced original research. Also, you shouldn't mark such edits as minor. You might want to review some of the guidelines in your welcome message (above). Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 01:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again,

While its true that some facts are considered basic enough to not require a citation, some of the statements you made were very general and controversial, specifically "...who see it as an assertion of power by Shiite Muslim Iran in a region weakened by the instabilties in Iraq." Placing a {{citation needed}} tag is usually reserved for uncontroversial statements; any sourcless assertion can be removed. Another reason I removed the passage was its place in the introduction, where content is limited to only the most relevant information. Additions there are usually discussed on talk. I hope you understand, and I suggest that you read over some of the guidelines, and that you continue to contribute constructively to Wikipedia. Happy editing, Tewfik^Talk 03:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another note: please don't remove the warship note from the conflict-box. It is convention to include such items, which is duly noted on talk. Thanks, Tewfik^Talk 03:25, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In response to your comments on my Talk page, I can only refer you to the introduction guidelines link so that you can better understand how it functions. If you then believe that a specific detail is sorely lacking, you can discuss it on Talk, or be WP:Bold, though if the addition is extremely controversial, it will probably be removed to Talk anyways. In terms of the specific concern you mentioned about civilian suffering, this is what is currently included:

In response, the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) launched a series of air and artillery strikes at Hezbollah positions first in southern Lebanon, and then Beirut, causing collateral civilian casualties and catastrophic damage to Lebanese infrastructure in the process. [13]

I'd also like to encourage you to be WP:Civil in communication with other wikipedians, especially about potentially heated issues. When passions rise, it is often extremely difficult to carry on a productive discussion. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 05:02, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you are responsible for that passage, then it seems you were indeed able to influence the content to reflect your concerns. If your inclusions are uncontroversial summaries of information already documented in the article, then the only concern is loading the introduction, which may or may not be an issue here. I would still encourage you to include the citations from below because of the controversial nature of this article. My chief concern, and that of Wikipolicy, is that you do not include original claims - all statements, and this is doubly true for the introduction, must make use of reliable sources and be verifiable. This is currently not true of the section I noted above "...who see it as an assertion of power by Shiite Muslim Iran in a region weakened by the instabilties in Iraq." I admit that my initial removal of the first part of your addition may have been hasty, but I cite the above concerns, and additionally the misspelling within, alongside the lead's sensitivity.

Another point that I'd like to convey to you, is that you should not disrupt Wikipedia to make a point, as you did here. I might add that you should read Wikipedia:Citing sources to best understand when citation is necessary. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 05:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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