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Clean up

No drama. Just following through.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:57, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

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Been away but now done, RMaung (WMF).

Content you added to the above article is too closely paraphrased from https://www.foundingdocs.gov.au/item-did-1-aid-6-pid-4.html, which is not released under a compatible license. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed. Please have a look at Earwig's report to see the extent of the overlap. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:35, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

As per my note on Diannaa's page, a lot of the overlap picked up by Earwig was the long name of the Act and set phrases such as "province of South Australia". However, now re-summarised and hopefully passable. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:48, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
All checks out okay now. Thank you for taking the time to do that. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 11:33, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

The Her

Looking at this edit, I have since corrected instances of phrasing such as "the HMS Mars" to "HMS Mars". HMS stands for "His (or Her) Majesty's Ship", and it is considered poor grammar to prefix the name with the definite article. In contrast, it is perfectly acceptable to write (say) "the USS Constitution". Just one of those things. --Pete (talk) 21:30, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Sure, thanks Pete. I actually knew that since my work on Nelson ages ago, but must have been so busy concentrating on other things when I was doing those articles that I had a blind spot. Thanks for the reminder though! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:22, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

The hawhaw moment

The pun is intentional, the backlog of dealing with 'unfinished aspects' of indigenous articles is massive, if you wish support or encouragement for applying consistency and adequate redirects and alternative orthographies across the whole spectrum, go for it - any help wanted its here... Patience, consistency and faith that working out the oddities is worth it is needed. JarrahTree 02:54, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Ha ha, yes, JarrahTree, I have ventured into this territory before and noticed some of the many inconsistencies... Unfortunately my list of unrelated "other things to do" is rather too long at the moment to attempt such a massive task, so I just chip away at it here and there when I need to link to one of those articles. Thanks for the encouragement though, I'll keep it in mind - it's an interesting area so I don't mind working on it! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:16, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

saturday night hee haw - I think I need to get off - just finding tasmanian lighthouse peppered with victorian items - clearly been on too long today, enjoy... there is so much to fix up in the tasmanian project, could spend waking hours working on just some of it yawn JarrahTree 12:31, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

aarrrgghh. Yes, JarrahTree - I just idly picked up my tablet to learn something about the early history of Tas but found so many, er, challenges, that I've given up there, after a bit of slow and painful editing on the tablet. I can't afford to get drawn into another massive learning and editing project when I'm still bogged down in SA and trying to get back to 100 other things, including the above-mentioned! (Not to mention my pile of books and real life...) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 13:23, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

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Malta's passport

Regarding the addition of the British Malta passport to the article, sorry, you might think that its unjustifiable. But, its not. I looked at other passports ( India, HK, Malaysia and Australia ), they have photos of the British passports in those articles too.129.127.32.138 (talk) 05:31, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I'll take the discussion to Talk:Maltese passport, as per wp:talk. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:02, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

A Redirect Barnstar for you!

The Redirect Barnstar
Your diligent work in the area of redirect and improvement is duly recognized and greatly appreciated. You are truly one of the unsung heroes of Wikipedia, and we hope you continue to enjoy your improvement of this awesome encyclopedia! ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 06:10, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
I will recommend using User:Wugapodes/Capricorn which makes so much easier to create a redirect and adding redirect tags. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 06:10, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, CAPTAIN MEDUSA - sometimes it feels as if I am spending half my time "behind the scenes", but hopefully it all helps users find their way to where they want to go... And thanks for all of the reviewing you do - prolific! (I did try adding that Wugapodes script as per the instructions, but kept getting errors, and I don't know enough about what I'm trying to do to interpret and fix the errors. I'll try again another day.) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:18, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi CAPTAIN MEDUSA - just to let you know, it's taken me all this time to get back to it, after my initial attempt at installing that script seemed to generate error messages, but I have just had another go, and now managed to get it working, so thanks again! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:06, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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About Mahomet Alum

I have complete information about Mahomet Alum. For more detail contact me. Asad Mahomet Khan (talk) 13:13, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Please use Talk:Mahomet Allum for discussion about that page. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 13:23, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Sorry

My bad, I thought I'd gone back to the earlier version :) Ivar the Boneful (talk) 12:47, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

No worries, Ivar the Boneful - I assumed that was what you were trying to do! I did hesitate about keeping that addition myself, but thought I'd give it the benefit of the doubt (not having a deep knowledge of that era myself) and just tidy it up a bit. Not at all unhappy about the decision to remove though. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:54, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Indigenous Australians and crime

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Hey mate, nominating Indigenous Australians and crime for deletion. Just notifying you of the nomination. Best regards. Bacondrum (talk) 02:30, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Hey Bacondrum, sorry, I thought I'd responded here before. Thanks for letting me know - you will have seen my comments over there anyway. It's a tricky one, that one! Cheers and have a good season. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:06, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
see also my response there JarrahTree 05:25, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

safe and happy

May your christmas season be that, and avoid speed cameras, fires and the rest... JarrahTree 06:04, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, @JarrahTree: and may yours be similarly "boring" (in the good sense!). :-) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:18, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
mail JarrahTree 01:43, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
bees as well maybe

JarrahTree 14:18, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Ha! I can now identify that flower, after having edited the article. Shall I add it to the article? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:54, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
Boxing day philosohpy might break out - some of the crappiest photos of the item seem to get airplay - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-24/wa-native-christmas-tree-puts-traditional-pine-variety-in-shade/11810208 is worth a read JarrahTree 00:13, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I see. Good photo, yours! I have added it. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:37, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
ta - the link - there should be more relationship between the abc stories like that and the wikipedia articles - heaven knows how that could be facilitated... JarrahTree 02:52, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Question

Hi there Later, I saw a notification from you. I'm not sure if you were pinging me to get my attention or making a suggestion. I received a notification stating my rights had been changed. I hadn't made a request or anything so that confuses me. Do I now have reviewer privileges? Or were you just suggesting that I would be a good fit for this role? TylerDurden8823 (talk) 04:37, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi TylerDurden8823, are you sure you have the right person? I have not knowingly pinged you, and I don't know much about reviewer privileges myself! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 04:58, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Apparently not. Sorry for the error! TylerDurden8823 (talk) 04:59, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Now that I've looked at your talk page, I think that I might have thanked you for a recent edit - hence the confusion, perhaps? Anyway, no worries at all. Hope you're having a good day. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:02, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

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Ha ha, that's what happens when trying to quickly add a couple of sentences as supporting evidence after reverting vandal's incorrect change, on Christmas Day, on a mobile... Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:50, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

inneresting

Great Central Road is not a viable alternative to the blocked Eyre Highway due to the abc news tonight saying it is flooded somewhere... sadly tanami as an alternative is so much longer, would be easier to catch a train, but the train operator has gone the way of luxury cruises rather than a transport service... JarrahTree 12:10, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Flooding?! Pity the rain has fallen in the wrong place... Certainly looks like a very long and desolate road - was just reading about Tanami and looking at the map. Shame about the train. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:38, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
never apologise - the more the merrier - I misread edit histories at my peril daily... JarrahTree 07:30, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
have you ever seen Arthur, W. S. (William Stewart), (editor.); Morphy, F. (Frances), 1949-, (editor.); Morphy, Frances, (editor.); Australian National University; Australian Bureau of Statistics (2019), Macquarie atlas of Indigenous Australia (Second edition ed.), Macquarie, ISBN 978-1-76055-658-7 {{citation}}: |author1= has generic name (help); |edition= has extra text (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link) - also can be found via - https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/25957263?q&versionId=264004080 shows how we havent even scratched the pimple on the posterior of the elephant yet, let alone found it :( JarrahTree 06:06, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
No, haven't seen that, thanks for that, Jarrah. I have put a hold on the ebook version via my library. Sometimes it feels as if I may as well just resign myself to devoting the rest of my life to editing around these topics on wp (or at least, until such time as I go barmy), especially with all of the diversions from diversions that keep happening... Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:25, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
have returned my copy back to the library - couldnt help but notice it is on new book shops shelves across a range of place last week. JarrahTree 06:45, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Coincidentally, my ebook arrived for me this morning. Unfortunately it's too small for me to read easily on my tiny tablet, and there doesn't seem to be a zoom feature on it. :-( A little pricey to buy though. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:03, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
lots of libraries are getting it by the looks... JarrahTree 08:17, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
it would have been so useful in view of the latest discussions... sigh...JarrahTree 02:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes - I only have the ebook for a short time and can't read it easily, so not much use to me at the moment! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

see my email(s) - there is nothing possible in the current environment... sadly JarrahTree 04:34, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Two-minute silence

Hello, Thank you for your message; the assessment involved assuming that the existing rating of "stub" would probably be correct. As a non-member of the Military History project I rarely rate one of those articles so I have cancelled the assessment.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 13:55, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Johnsoniensis - I just noticed it in passing and thought that the stub rating didn't match the article! I'm not a member of that project or official rater, but it looked like a C or B based on the descriptions of the classes in the table. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 22:59, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

About Maltese Passport

I believe the link added to citation 2 is both dead & a commercial link which belongs some agency (https://identitymalta.com/passportfaqs) Thus i believe is in need of removal. I suggest you to check the link. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pirpiril (talk • contribs) 10:36, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Pirpiril. This link appears to work, and it looks legit (the "About" page is here). Most of the citations could do with a bit of an upgrade still, and I reverted to the earlier version because of the somewhat irrelevant and poorly sourced info and photo added before your change. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 11:49, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Cyprus citizenship

Hi, sorry, never realised the article I linked to was not allowed, I had seen the one from Henley and thought the one I added from sslawyersco contributed a deeper level of information. I think if you compared the two of them the one I linked to has pretty good in-depth information pertaining to criteria requirements. Rgds Costas Fusionp (talk) 15:51, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Fusionp. There were a couple of things wrong with the placement of that link - one was that it was in the wrong place (see MOS:ORDER) - so it looked like spam hanging off the bottom of the article. Links to commercial sites are acceptable under certain circumstances (WP:RS), and Henley is quoted as it seems to have a reputation for its research (and is cited, with link, in the article to Henley Passport Index). That sslawyers page doesn't look too bad, and citing it as an in-line source may be acceptable (if it has some useful info which is not already in the article or available on better sources), else you can add it as WP:FURTHER READING or WP:EXTERNAL LINKS, after adding the heading (straight after the References section and before the templates and categories. (If you can manage to use the Template:Citation, that is a better way to cite, or if using the square bracket method, it helps to add the name of the website (in this case, Stylianou & Co. Law Firm), so the reader knows the source before opening the link.)
I hope this helps. If you have any further issues with a specific page, you can discuss on the article talk page, and feel free to ping me. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:04, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation, I need to look at the policy's a little closer to better understand the guidlines. Is it possible for you to add it in as you mentioned so I can see how its done correctly? I thought I had placed it in external links..I dont want to do it incorrectly again. Either way, I will read up more to understand better, and thanks again for the run down. Rgds Costas Fusionp (talk) 04:48, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi again, Costa. Yes, I appreciate that it takes quite a while to read and absorb so much, so don't worry if you don't get it all right first time. There's usually another editor who will follow up and fix, so please go ahead and edit boldly! I have now added your link and improved a few other citations and minor editing improvements in that article. (Note that if you use the ":" in front of your comments on talk pages, it indents one space for each, and makes it easier to follow discussions sometimes.) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:47, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help and more importantly your time! Fusionp (talk) 06:06, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, just wanted to say a link we had added a few days back had an incorrect date on the Permalink, showing a date of 2015, the date was removed from the permalink and the date amended to reflect correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fusionp (talk • contribs) 12:35, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Kintore, Northern Territory and Outback Communities Authority

Hi Laterthanyouthink,

I have two comments re your recent edits to the above articles:

  1. The source for the 2016 Census for Kintore states that "there were 410 people in Kintore (State Suburbs). Of these 44.7% were male and 55.3% were female. Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people made up 91.9% of the population." I am currently writing articles about the localities and communities created by the NT Government in 2007 where I am now including the census breakup re gender and aboriginal identity. Is it OK to pipe Aboriginal Australians as Aboriginal" in order to have 'quotes' that match to the source?
  2. I recently noticed the Anangu Pitjantjatjara Yankunytjatjara (APY) is actually private land which is described by the SA Government as being a locality and that the APY organisation has status under the Local Government Act 1999 presumably to have access to grants available from the Local Government Grants Commission. The situation appears to be similar for Maralinga Tjarutja (as is probably the situation for many aboriginal community organisations in SA), although there is no status as a locality. I would suggest that in Outback Communities Authority articles both these be treated as entities with status as a local government area rather being solely local government areas.  

Please reply here if you wish to respond. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 08:55, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Cowdy001,
I've been racing through a few articles recently, mainly for Aboriginal reserves, so not directly involving those questions, but re those two you mention -
  1. Yes, no problem using Aboriginal in that way, except (this was something I wanted to go back to and check, and I just have), those census figures reflect both Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander, so it needs to say either that whole phrase (which is a redirect), or Indigenous, with a piped link to Indigenous Australians.
  2. If I understand you correctly re those two entities, I think you are correct. I've never been entirely sure of the details and hadn't got around to drilling down into the exact mechanisms of government, but what you say sounds right, so I'm happy for you to specify them as suggested.
Cheers, Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:20, 6 February 2020 (UTC)


Content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from https://www.findandconnect.gov.au/ref/sa/biogs/SE01331b.htm, which is not released under a compatible license. Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License is not a compatible license. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, some content had to be removed and I paraphrased some. — Diannaa (talk) 13:58, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for taking the time to do that, Diannaa. I try to be very careful about this usually - but slip-ups occur when I'm tired or under pressure, and I may have misread that licence. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:00, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
For documents that are compatibly licensed, please add the attribution as required under the terms of the license. It's okay to copy from public domain sources or from compatibly licensed sources, as long as the source is properly attributed. Attribution is done so that our readers will be aware that the prose was copied rather than written by Wikipedians, and that it's okay to copy verbatim. Attribution can be added by using templates such as {{PD-notice}} or {{CC-notice}} or manually like I did here. There's more on this topic at Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources and Wikipedia:Plagiarism#Copying material from free sources.— Diannaa (talk) 23:06, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for that, Diannaa - those templates could come in handy sometime and I'll bookmark that page as a reminder. (When I have noticed and remembered, I've usually just added a note manually to the citation in the past). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
I use PD-notice quite a bit, but tend to do the others manually, as I find it's actually quicker, because I have some mock-ups of the most common ones in a sandbox. — Diannaa (talk) 01:20, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Removed category on redirect

You removed a category from a redirect. Can you point me to the policy on this please? Thanks Donama (talk) 00:19, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Donama. I'm not aware of a specific policy - it just looked odd when I was looking at what the category held, that one being in italics. Please revert if I assumed incorrectly. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:35, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Okay I might do that. It's just that the individual heritage items don't warrant their own individual articles (yet) so have to redirect to Islington Sewage Farm. The category should actually be placed on the title of the item in the heritage register though. Donama (talk) 00:40, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Okay, I see, no worries. That might apply to the redirect of All Saints' Church to Holden Street Theatres as well, then? And what about the Treasury Building (and possibly others) in Victoria Square? Anyway, I'll leave it up to you. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:56, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

the test

answering your noticeboard message, and probably misreading it - there is now a new cat that links to similar places overseas and the larger cat as a 'child cat' - if there is a further distinction within the larger child cat - it too can be actually subcatted - if you get my drift at all. JarrahTree 06:23, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

(After edit conflict) I think I see what you've done, thanks JarrahTree. The categories and sub-cats can become a tad confusing at times, also confused by differing terminology (e.g. mission stations vs missions), and I'm not sure if Torres Strait Islanders lived on missions, either on the mainland or the islands... But it will all get sorted eventually, I suppose, with a bit of concentrated effort at some point. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:34, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

If they werent on missions neither communities created by europeans - they can end up in cats 'aboriginal communities' possibly JarrahTree 07:47, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Recent edit

Thanks for identifying the source of the material in your edit.

This type of edit does get picked up by Copy Patrol and a good edit summary helps to make sure we don't accidentally revert it. However, for future use, would you note the best practices wording as outlined at Wikipedia:Copying_within_Wikipedia? In particular, adding the phrase "see that page's history for attribution" helps ensure that proper attribution is preserved.S Philbrick(Talk) 14:21, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sphilbrick. Sure. I'm in the process of a bit of cutting and pasting amongst two or three articles there and was going to write it up on the talk pages, but I'll try to remember add that phrase to my changes in future. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:01, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Bettina Arndt

Hey can you explain in detail exactly why the frig you reverted my edit at Bettina Arndt??? Traceybrow (talk) 04:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Traceybrow If you have something to discuss about an article, please discuss at the article talk page. I would have thought that my edit summary was self-explanatory in this case. And please read WP:EQ. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 04:38, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Category:Anangu Pitjantjatjara Yankunytjatjara

Hi,

If you are writing or editing articles about the Anangu Pitjantjatjara Yankunytjatjara lands, please do not forget to add the above category.

Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 05:53, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Cowdy001. Okay, will do. I haven't created any new ones there, that I can remember, have I? I've just added the Land Rights Act to that category too, which I hope is correct. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:05, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I have just looked at Category:Anangu Pitjantjatjara Yankunytjatjara and cannot find any edits by you!. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 11:00, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
OK, you have added Anangu Pitjantjatjara Yankunytjatjara Land Rights Act 1981 to "Category:Anangu Pitjantjatjara Yankunytjatjara". That action is OK to my eyes. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 11:15, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Okay, great, thanks. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:07, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

nope

will explain later JarrahTree 05:05, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

[1] - the potential links from this story is the reason - almost all of it would never pass the notability xxxxxx, or similar xxxxx - but - wow if there were some good wp;rs that could tie in the range of issues arising from the story - it would be great, but its hell out there, not just the virus, but the fly by one size fits all... JarrahTree 07:33, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

?? Sorry, I'm confused. Are you talking about the BB heritage areas article? Can we discuss on that talk page so I know what you're talking about. (e.g. What exactly wouldn't pass notability?) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:56, 21 March 2020 (UTC) me no go nowhere near - but yes read the story JarrahTree 08:54, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

rater - which i use gives the anglicans a 'ga' level - so b is fine... JarrahTree 07:36, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Okay, ta. I just use my initiative when I see articles still at stub or start level when obviously better - by analogy or looking at the Australia project rating system. (My rationale: else readers may assume the article is rubbish.) On the whole I err on the lower side though, so real ratings people such as you can reassess when they get to it! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:56, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
deluded, i am but a figment of imagination JarrahTree 08:57, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Ways to improve Primary Industries and Regions SA

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Hi Jmertel23. Yes, thanks, I know. It's still very much a WIP - created on the fly as a side issue to something else, then got bogged down working on its naming and links from other articles. Still plenty more to do just on the basics! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 21:32, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

For creating Biosecurity Act 2015, have a cuppa to keep ya going! CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 20:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for that, CaptainEek. Tea is essential during these times! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:41, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Answering something from my talk page

Rude? What are you talking this is wikipedia I don't know you. There is nothing personal against you, I am completely indifferent to you. I had no idea about any edit conflicts... why are you doing a WIP on a public page anyway? It isn't your personal sandbox to create drafts.... work out whatever you want to add on the page and when it is complete add it. If I see something incomplete or non contextual on a page, am I expected to keep it because someone may be doing a WIP, and I don't want to hurt their feelings? If you'd notice, your Art stuff is still there because it was somewhat coherent. Add whatever you want tomorrow, I don't care, just make sure it is material. Keep in mind it is a summary page about the pandemic, and yet it doesn't even have a special section for the Ruby Princess for example... so whatever you write keep it specific to COVID-19. Maranello10 (talk) 13:05, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

WP:ROWN & WP:EQ. Please ensure that you read edit summaries and page history if you find yourself crossing paths with others' edits. You had already (I assumed inadvertently) removed content I'd just added, when you were trying to undo someone else's table error. As I said, I'll re-add and complete the relevant section tomorrow. (Not sure what Ruby Princess has to do with it - there's a whole article on that.) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 13:38, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Thanks for your note re my edits on Acute Misfortune. If you intentionally link to a disambiguation (dab) page you can add a hidden comment (only seen when editing the page) normally saying "intentional link to dab page" or similar so that other editors know that is what you meant.— Rod talk 12:53, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for that, Rod, I'll add a comment. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

April 2020

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Proposed deletion of National edeposit system

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The article National edeposit system has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

The article only cites sources that are involved in the project (NED's site and libraries). I couldn't find any independent coverage of the project in my WP:BEFORE search either.

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. MrClog (talk) 10:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

MrClog That was a little hasty. I was still in the process of building this article, and still am. Shall I delete the template you've posted, or will you? I find that it is often necessary or desirable to create a stub while working on several related articles. This is actually a significant project in national and international terms, and I will be adding academic literature sources tomorrow. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 11:08, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
@Laterthanyouthink: I didn't realise you were still planning to edit it, it seemed like you had moved on to a different article. However, no amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability and I couldn't establish notability through Google, Google News, Google News newspaper archive, Newspapers.com, Google Scholar or JSTOR. The articles written about the project that I did find were written by people either directly involved in the creation of NED or employed by an organisation involved in NED. The Library of Congress reference seems independent, but in it, it almost exclusively quotes sources that are not independent, so there is no independent SIGCOV there either (and even if it was, that would be just one source). If you point me to two or more independent reliable sources with significant coverage of NED, I'll remove the PROD template. You are also allowed to remove it, but without proof of notability, I'll bring the article to AfD. Of course, you should feel free to take your time finding sources whenever you'd like, the article will stay up for 7 days with the PROD tag. --MrClog (talk) 11:25, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi MrClog. Yes, I get your point - and unfortunately this type of thing doesn't get reported widely (it's not a cure for Covid-19 or a scandal about a reality TV celeb!), although I would expect to see more in the academic literature over time. However I have found a few more bits and pieces which I'll add and cite, and then comment on the talk page there. If you think it doesn't warrant a separate article, the content could be merged with the NLSA article, but I'll see what it's looking like by the end of the (my) day. IMO the content is worth keeping somewhere on Wikipedia. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:22, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree that it is probably worth adding to the NLSA article. Feel free to ping me when you're done and I'll have a look myself as well then. --MrClog (talk) 08:37, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Sure, thanks MrClog. I am not quite done yet but I'll get back to you when I'm ready to let it stand. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:01, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Laterthanyouthink, you might consider moving the article to draft space or your sandbox where you can work on it without others wanting to delete it. See Wikipedia:Drafts and Help:Userspace draft and Wikipedia:Sandbox for more information. Normal Op (talk) 00:43, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Normal Op - yes, thanks, I have done that in the past sometimes, but this one now has that notice, and I have nearly finished working on it anyway... It's the first time I've had a new article challenged, and I've created a few now! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:54, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Laterthanyouthink, all you have to do to stop the PROD process is to delete the template. It's the first 6 lines in the article's code. Then, if someone still wants the article deleted, they'll have to go through an AfD process. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion for information on that process. Normal Op (talk) 04:24, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Wow, you've sure made a lot of improvements since someone put the PROD tag on the article. Normal Op (talk) 04:27, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Normal Op. I've now stopped tinkering with it for a while, and have posted on the talk page accordingly. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:07, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Laterthanyouthink, you sure put in a lot of work. I am duly impressed. Congrats on your masterpiece! Normal Op (talk) 07:22, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Normal Op, ha ha, thanks. It was never meant to grow quite so big (having started as an offshoot from something else, that was an offshoot from something else, etc.), but after the challenge, I kept digging for more independent citations, of which there are still few. Here's hoping it's useful to someone, someday! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Bactiran camel

When you said Afghanistan didn't exist in 2500BC what is that supposed to mean? That is not a proper reason to revert my edit which was in good faith. If that is the case, then Somalia and Iran didn't exist in 3000BC either so they have no reason to be mentioned in the section. Akmal94 (talk) 14:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Akmal94. I reverted the edit because you had changed information which had been precisely cited to a book source, and the term Central Asia (which you replaced with Afghanistan) does not include Afghanistan, according to Wikipedia. All information needs to be linked to a reliable source using an in-line citation, so if you have a source which contradicts what it says in the article, you need to provide that source. If you wish to discuss the content, or those references to Somalia and Iran further, than it is best to do it on the talk page of the article, where other editors can join the discussion and come to a consensus decision. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:06, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
p.s. I have just added a Welcome panel to your talk page which gives you some more information about citing sources and other editing policies. This may help to guide your editing and reduce the number of warning messages on your talk page. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:13, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, i checked the sources and they do not mention Somalia either, so why should that remain? Akmal94 (talk) 14:51, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Yellow Chat

Hi there, I noticed this edit created a duplicate refname error which you can see if you scroll down to the ref section. The error was already there, but the addition of that url caused the wiki software to pick up on it, because the same refname has been used twice with different content. The solution is simple, but then I clicked on the url and noticed that the listed authors don’t agree with the original citation details which do tally with the cites in this book.Perhaps the error is at the researchgate site? Regards CV9933 (talk) 14:15, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi CV9933, thanks for picking up on that. I only added that url to the existing citation as an afterthought, after adding some other info to the article, and obviously didn't check the refs well enough afterwards! Hmmm. I've just looked into this further, and found two Trove records for the article, one of which cites Porter and the other not, with the former leading to this Informit one. I'll go back and re-format the whole citation properly, adding Porter as per Informit. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:47, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For Laterthanyouthink, whose excellent editing during these coronal times has greatly improved Wikipedia. Thank you in particular for the total overhaul of the Aboriginal deaths in custody article. Keep up the great work! gobonobo + c 03:27, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Gobonobo. :-) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:08, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

not sure what sort of star

I am sure i have ephemera going back to the 1960s for it - thanks for the work on the festival of this godforsaken isolated outpost... otherwise known as perth JarrahTree 11:56, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

No worries - not sure how I got there, but I kept finding more things that needed updating or further clarification... And unfortunately no nicely packaged history online! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:05, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

email is failing for some bizarre - try trove - heaps of material... JarrahTree 13:16, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Outstation? Will have a look - I've found an interesting book all online and quite a few other links. Looking for concise summary stuff at the moment because don't have the time to read reams, interesting though it is. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 13:44, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Laterthanyouthink

Thank you for creating Indigenous voice to government.

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Nice work

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Thanks, North8000! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:50, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

rushed

emile sent JarrahTree 03:25, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you for creating ARC Centre of Excellence for Australian Biodiversity and Heritage.

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Neat work. Ta very muchly.

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Thanks, Whiteguru! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:13, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Terra nullius

Hi. Thanks a lot for reviewing the terra nullius page! I've added citations to your citation needed tags. Please lmk if you have any more comments! ImTheIP (talk) 09:37, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi there ImTheIP. No worries - but I should let you know, it wasn't an official review and I didn't look at the whole page. I just happened across it while I was busy on a couple of related articles, and did a few minor improvements and copyedits in a couple of sections. Happy to help though - I might get back to it another day! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:31, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

National Parks Association of Queensland

If you are in the mood to write this article (one of those topics on my never-ending "to do" list), there is some source materia here:

and on NPAQ website, specifically:

It seems they deposited their archives at the State Library of Queensland

but that requires physically visiting the State Libary of Queensland to access it. Kerry (talk) 23:44, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Kerry. Thanks for this - it may happen, but not in the near future for me either! I just did a quick copyedit on that page "in passing", as I do, and created the red link because it looked like something that needed an article. I'm nowhere near Queensland, so can't get to that one, but I'll keep it on my list as well, and you never know... :-) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:09, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
No worries. Kerry (talk) 23:46, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Taro recipe

Hey, thank you for your good faith edit to the Taro article where you included a recipe for inhames fritos. Unfortunately since these were done in §Etymology, I've had to remove them. Feel free to add them to the relevant section on the culinary uses of taro; I might do this in a bit myself if you're occupied as well. Thanks! —I'llbeyourbeach (talk) 16:47, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi I'llbeyourbeach and thanks for your note. I only did that edit after seeing a sentence which had been added in the etymology section of the Yam article, which I had thought about reverting because it was OR, but decided to look for a supporting citation instead, and that was all I could find. Then had a look at Taro and saw the mention of inhame there too (I think by the same editor?) and thought that I might as well add the same citation there. It to support the mention of the word rather than providing a recipe. Feel free to do what you like with it though (yes, I'm occupied with other things!) - and probably better to discuss on the talk page of the article so that other editors can contribute, if there's anything else. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:11, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

...decided to look for a supporting citation instead [...] and thought that I might as well add the same citation there.

In that case, thank you even more! I was going to use your citation for inhame, if I hadn't thought of looking for some myself. I think I ended up using a dictionary as a source—which has been explained to me isn't the best idea. I might end up citing your source in §Etymology again, and also add it somewhere in §Uses §§Culinary.
Btw—not sure if this will help you, but—when I informed that editor on their talk page about me similarly undoing their edits, they provided me with some (Portuguese and Spanish) sources for the names they added. One of them was helpful (coincidentally it was about inhame; though about taro, I think), the others not so much. But I think there is a level of conflation of names of 'taro' and 'yam' so maybe you'll have more luck...? —I'llbeyourbeach (talk) 15:15, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
I'llbeyourbeach, it looks as if you have gone into it pretty thoroughly - interesting! I suspect that you have already covered all sources that I would find, and at the moment am trying to concentrate on a few other things on my list, so I'm happy with what you and the other editor agree on. It may be one of those things that cannot be uncovered easily, especially in English sources. Thanks for your persistence on this one. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:25, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

September 2020

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You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for violating copyright policy by copying text or images into Wikipedia from another source without evidence of permission. Please take this opportunity to ensure that you understand our copyright policy and our policies regarding how to use non-free content.
If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  — Diannaa (talk) 20:23, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I have blocked your account, because in spite of repeated warnings, you continued to add copyright material to Wikipedia in violation of our copyright policy. You cannot resume editing until you provide a statement describing how copyright applies to Wikipedia, show that you understand our copyright policy, and make a commitment to follow it in the future.— Diannaa (talk) 20:24, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Diannaa, can you please indicate where I am supposed to have violated copyright this time? I understand copyright and have been very careful not to use content from copyrighted pages, and have been including notes where the pages are free for use under CC licences. Sometimes there are names of organisations or particular phrasing that is unavoidable because it is the only appropriate wording, such as "not-for-profit" and suchlike. I've never copied whole paragraphs, and never used images. I think that this is a bit harsh, considering the amount of work that I have been doing to build Wikipedia. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:45, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Obviously copying whole paragraphs is not okay, but content you add to Wikipedia should not contain any wording from the source document at all. (You are not expected to paraphrase the names of organizations or common terminology such as "not-for-profit".) Nobody is exempt from our copyright policy. The issues I discovered yesterday were at Community legal centre where there was text copied from multiple copyright websites:
If it's helpful, I imagine that Diannaa blocked you here as you were copying sentences from those websites, and reverted these copyright violations back into the article after they were removed. I'd suggest (re-)reviewing Wikipedia's copyright policies, and you'll likely be unblocked if you post an unblock request providing assurances that you won't do this again given your long history of good edits. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 11:04, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Sphilbrick removed material as the result of a CopyPatrol report where text was copied from http://www.communitylawaustralia.org.au/get-help. Laterthanyouthink restored the removed material and did some paraphrasing, but I still found and removed some more material copied from that particular source. The thing that brought me to the article was a different CopyPatrol report which noted material had been copied from http://www.jumbunna.uts.edu.au/ngiya/pdf/tendering_als.pdf. Since I have given her six previous warnings for violations of our copyright policy, including a final warning in April, I thought I should complete a thorough check of Community legal centre. I found copying from multiple other copyright websites as well as one compatibly licensed source that had not been properly attributed. Hence the block.
Laterthanyouthink, the reason for the block is because repeated warnings have not cleared up the copyright issues for which you have been warned multiple times. You are a valuable contributor and I would like for you to return to editing as soon as possible. You need to tell me in your own words that you understand that we don't allow any copying of any amount of text from copyright sources at all; everything you add should be written in your own words (with the exception of properly attributed text that is compatibly licensed or public domain). It's pretty much a zero tolerance thing, as it's a policy with legal considerations.— Diannaa (talk) 13:18, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Diannaa, as usual, has covered it very well. It is well understood that names of organizations and some very short phrases may be impossible or difficult to reword, but that is not the issue here. The examples I reverted were long passages. I would also like to see you return to editing, but, as Diannaa also mentioned, this is not a simple desire to follow our arbitrary rules, this has legal ramifications. I am well aware that many sites don't seem to respect copyright, but my guess is that copyright holders may not always both to deal with bloggers with no meaningful assets, but might reat differently if Wikipedia is taking their property improperly. We have to be diligent. S Philbrick(Talk) 16:20, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Laterthanyouthink (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Thanks to all for the extra info. I have now re-read the guidelines and gone through each of Diannaa's edits to see what she has changed, and understand why the extra wording has been removed. I had been acting on the assumption that the extra info was useful rather than being careful about how much of it I was using from a copyrighted site. As mentioned above, I have found it difficult to paraphrase some phrases where there doesn't seem to be another plain English equivalent, and names and long terms such as "Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander" have added to the word count in the copyvio tool (being the only words highlighted in the Jumbunna source mentioned above, for instance). However, I do assure you that I will be extra careful in future and act on the "when in doubt, leave it out" principle! And I do completely understand the seriousness of the legal situation with regard to copyright (which I learnt way back when I trained and worked as a librarian, although I did not stay in the profession - and that was pre-internet days, of course). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:04, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Unblocking, as after reviewing the policy and guidelines, you have now got a good understanding of what the expectations are for copyright on Wikipedia and have made a commitment to follow those rules very closely in the future. — Diannaa (talk) 12:28, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Welcome back Laterthanyouthink and thank you for taking the time to review our copyright expectations. Just a couple of points: if you click on http://www.jumbunna.uts.edu.au/ngiya/pdf/tendering_als.pdf, it currently redirects to https://www.uts.edu.au/future-students/indigenous-australians. So that is likely why you didn't find anything there. The document has been moved to https://www.uts.edu.au/sites/default/files/tendering_als_brief4.pdf so the data on the overlap for that page is available here. If it times out you can check manually by searching the document for the phrases that I removed in this edit.

If you have time and wish to do some more research on the topic of copyright and paraphrasing, there's some good material at Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing that you may not have seen, and some exercises at Paraphrase: Write It in Your Own Words. Check out the links in the menu on the left for some exercises to try. Or study this module aimed at WikiEd students. What I find works for me is to figure out what the key points are that I wish to present and try to re-write the content without looking at the source document. Then I double check to make sure I have got the facts straight. Stuff should also be presented in a different order where possible. Summarize rather than paraphrase. — Diannaa (talk) 12:28, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Diannaa, it's good to be back. Ah, I thought that was odd, re the Jumbunna source. I'll have a look at that and the other links you've given tomorrow - they look useful, and thanks for the tips. And I should probably try to slow down and not rush to save my edits when I'm tired (sometimes working off multiple sources and not wanting to lose or forget things). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 13:13, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

General sanctions alert

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Hi RexxS. No, I don't intend to continue doing anything further in that area, but I did raise some concerns on the talk page on that topic. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 22:51, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Friendly chat

  • You keep on reminding someone with a certain IP address (me) that he/she (he) has vandalized, even though he/she (he) had already been warned. (Seriously, the Trout thing. Don't do it again.) Dit is ook een echte Nederlander. Stoppen dus, oké? Goed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.130.33.238 (talk) 06:55, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

SOLVED - thank you very much mate. Glory to Queensland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.130.33.238 (talk) 07:00, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

I have written you a long note and added a welcome panel on your talk page. (And I'm not Dutch, btw. Nor Queensland!) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:02, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Great! I will post a different welcome panel for you there. All the best, and remember to follow the guidelines! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:17, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
  • I just assisted my first person! How do you think I did? - See here
Much better, well done! A few more little tips. You don't need to post the whole url when you want to link to Wikipedia articles - you can just link by using double square brackets around the page name - see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking (WP:MOSLINK is one of the shortcuts to the same page). When you comment on talk pages, you can use the colon (:) before you start typing, to indent your text. The convention is to indent with an extra colon to the previous comment each time, so that each comment is shifted a little further to the right. Not such an issue here, but it makes discussions far easier to follow on article talk pages. And don't forget to use the four tildes after each comment, to sign and date it. Good luck with your future endeavours! Take it slowly and learn as you go. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:51, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

September 2020 (2)

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You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for violating copyright policy by copying text or images into Wikipedia from another source without evidence of permission. Please take this opportunity to ensure that you understand our copyright policy and our policies regarding how to use non-free content.
If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  — Diannaa (talk) 10:04, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
OK, at this point I give up. I was still in the middle of editing that little section, and once again it was full of names, which I deliberately listed because they're on Wikipedia and I was going to go to each article and find other citations to create the cross-linking that is supposed to be so desirable on Wikipedia. Apparently all of my good work, always carefully cited, regular fixing of multiple details and citations that others have left wanting, helping new editors, merging, splitting and consolidation of information, growing Wikipedia in areas which are poorly served by local editors, fighting vandalism, etc., not to mention time and effort that costs me dearly sometimes, counts for nothing here. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:34, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Your addition was flagged by a bot as a potential copyright issue and was assessed by myself. Here is a link to the bot report. Click on the iThenticate link to view what the bot found. It's not just a list of names. No matter what good work they do, nobody is exempt from our copyright policy, a Wikipedia policy with legal considerations. Sorry.— Diannaa (talk) 16:34, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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Request reason:

I cannot see the report because the contents are deleted, but as I had copy-pasted the text as I had left it into a Word document (it was still on my screen when I returned to my computer after being blocked), I have now returned to review it alongside the source page. The first thing I noticed was my obvious inadvertent error in leaving a sentence in the text which was supposed to have been deleted by me before publication, because the essence/summary/paraphrase/extract of the text is repeated in my sentence following that one, being all that I had intended to remain when I saved my edit. I won't repeat the whole sentence here because I never intentionally copy text verbatim, but it is the last sentence of the first paragraph on the source page ("The club...cyclists.") What I did there was the way I often edit, copying whole paragraphs of the original first (which saves having to keep cross-referring between tabs or windows), and then extract and paraphrase into a suitable form. I had been working for some hours at that point and was tired, and saved what I'd created before taking a break for dinner, intending to get back to it afterwards to review and add more. This was a stupid error which I would have noticed that immediately and removed on the next edit, and I think partly or largely responsible for the high copyvio score by the tool. (That sentence accounts for 18 of the 138 words in my added content; 43 words were proper nouns or abbreviations; also, 4 dates and one number. Of the rest, 30-35 were conjunctions, prepositions, is/was, all words of 3 letters or fewer, which are hard to avoid.) I used competitive cycling, cycling club, cricket, football, Southern Hemisphere, penny farthing as wikilinks. I used "the oldest cycling club in the Southern Hemisphere" because it seemed significant and I couldn't think of any other way to phrase that. I am appealing the block mostly because, had I deleted the sentence mentioned above as I had intended, I don't believe the remaining text would have amounted to a serious copyvio worthy of an indefinite block, and this was a simple error, for which I apologise. I don't claim to be perfect, and obviously slipped up here, but it was completely unintentional. Also, I have over 28,000 edits to my name across all wiki projects, with very few issues along the way, so I also ask that this be taken into consideration. I will of course in future take special care to ensure that I don't include a copied sentence and that other close paraphrasing does not occur again. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Your explanation for the mistake seems reasonable to me and I do appreciate the effort you have been making. A good solution to this problem is to not copy-paste content from your sources into your offline Word document - instead I recommend that you write your version in your own words while not looking at the source document and then compare with your source to ensure accuracy of your version. Content you add to Wikipedia needs to be completely free of copying (other than list material, names of schools and occupations, and short passages that are impossible to paraphrase) and not require any later cleanup. — Diannaa (talk) 14:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

As an uninvolved (In the substance of the copyvio or block issue) editor on the Australian project, I have over 15 years seen much worse behaviour that evaded any form of sanction, and in many cases outright contravention of a whole range of behavioural and procedural misdemenours where there was never any form of admitting of a mistake, apology, or self correction at all for the duration of the misdemenours. I believe that Laterthanyouthink deserves consideration on the basis that there is a sincere and genuine offer of dealing with the issues that either the bot or the admin have discovered in the edits made before the block. The editor is one of a very few Australian editors who proceeds into areas under-edited due to controversy and risk, and has an unfailingly good perception of where textual corrections are required to maintain the encyclopedia's standard despite other editors thwarting such a process. The Australian project is in need of such editors, specially of the persistence and efforts made to sustain textual balance, and in what many consider a reduced number of such editors in any of the nation based projects, editors who go in and actually proceed to correct balance and textual sloppiness, should, in the event of being allowed to recommence (in this case) are in effect the basis of the larger project. Insufficient updating, improvement and maintenance is pervasive throughout the larger project, where a diligent editor has the chance to be adequateoy trusted to keep to the amended behavour in editing, I believe the option should be considered. In the event of that not being considered, we have lost yet another valuable member of the community,I shoild hope that may be averted by whatever means required. JarrahTree 05:41, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

I've discussed this block with Laterthanyouthink after they emailed me about it, and am broadly familiar with their editing as a fellow Australian editor. On the basis of the conversation (where I sought to explain why the block had been implemented and offered some suggestions for what an unblock request would need to cover) and their strong history of contributions, I'd endorse this unblock request. Laterthanyouthink is not a high risk editor, and their commitment to avoid close paraphrasing in the future is highly credible. An indef block for close paraphrasing was probably excessive here, even given the recency of the other block - I suspect that a frank warning would have had the same effect. Laterthanyouthink, if it would be helpful at any stage in the future I'd be pleased to provide advice on issues around copyright/close paraphrasing. Nick-D (talk) 09:59, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Diannaa, and thanks also to JarrahTree and Nick-D. I appreciate your support, guidance and offer to provide advice (Nick). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:36, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
It's great to have you back, I had been worried that we might have lost you over this - you've been making an invaluable contribution to WP coverage of Australian articles. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 00:49, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Welcome back. I'm looking forward to seeing you around editing Australian articles. I keep coming across articles you've started or contributed to, so I'm pleased there will be more. Oronsay (talk) 06:38, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks very much, Bahudhara and Oronsay. All I've managed to do so far is spend way too much time on what was supposed to be a minor tidy of a US-focused article! But I'll get back to Australia eventually... Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:09, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
I watched this unfold and I was scared. Hockeycatcat (talk) 05:18, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Yep, Hockeycatcat - we all have to be careful about copyvios. But if you're careful, you'll be fine. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:27, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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