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March 2013

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• You need to read my comments to your post on my talk page before continuing to add CCHT to any article. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:31, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I think an approach to WP:RSN would be successful. I can put the question for you. I assume your WP:COI is because you are a member of the CCHT? Leaky Caldron 17:48, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Freezing here too! First, giving you that "only warning" above was wholly inappropriate. There are several stages of warning and a mild warning would have been appropriate. Whatever it is, it is not SPAM - it contains no advertising. Second, the insinuation of a CONFLICT OF INTEREST seemed a bit strong. Please see a key policy WP:OR and in particular WP:SECONDARY. "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources....." A secondary source provides an author's own thinking based on primary sources, generally at least one step removed from an event. It contains an author's interpretation, analysis, or evaluation of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources. Secondary sources are not necessarily independent or third-party sources. They rely on primary sources for their material, making analytic or evaluative claims about them. Based on this, if you believe CCHT is a reliable secondary source it is acceptable for inclusion. From your description it appears to be. Leaky Caldron 14:54, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

No need to delete them all, yet. I'll prepare a submission to WP:RSN later. I'll put the draft here first. Leaky Caldron 17:54, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Source: various pages from the website of the Cumbria County History Trust [1]

Article: numerous WP place articles, mainly stubs, such as Arlecdon in Cumbria, NW England.

Content: As a simple External Link using Cite web, for example:

• "Arlecdon". Cumbria County History Trust. Retrieved 21st March 2013. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)

A new editor recently added an external link to many stub articles of places in Cumbria, NW England. The link to Cumbria County History Trust provide some interesting historical background not referenced within the article. They are spam-free. The only issue I had was that the editor was also adding a “History” section to some of the articles with a sentence saying “see CCHT in the external links below” or similar words to that effect. RS and COI issues were raised by another editor which has had the effect of scaring the editor into removing the Cumbria County History Trust links to the detriment of the stub. I have offered to present the material for RSN consideration.

The material is NOT biographic and contains no SPAM. An example is [2]. Each page carries a link to a page detailing the numerous historical sources used and includes a standard disclaimer about potential accuracy. Bearing in mind the ancient documents used in some cases the accuracy will always be open to dispute but I do not think the presence of this disclaimer weakens the objectivity of the material.

The Cumbria County History Trust is a volunteer membership organisation. It has provided digests on its website of the history of c344 villages, towns and cities. Information on the CCHT website has been put together from local history archives & records by experienced amateurs (e.g. retired academics) and has been vetted by University of Lancaster. There is a future expansion of this information planned as part of the Victoria County History Project under the auspices of the University of London but that need not concern us here.

The editor hopes that the inclusion of this external link will encourage WP editors with an interest in the article to use the externally linked historical material to develop the stub articles. I cannot see any negative aspect with using this material. It is non-BLP infringing, is at least secondary in nature and organised under an academic scheme of control with no spam links. It is an improvement on the absence of information contained in the majority of these stubs. Leaky Caldron 12:09, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Done! Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Historical_material_for_Cumbria_location_stubs_.26_articles. Leaky Caldron 12:14, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I think it is fine to re-add them as simple External Links without any disclaimer or reference in a history section. [3]. Leaky Caldron 09:37, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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June 2013

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• standing stones are often grouped at nodes of communication routes - the monuments around [[Shap]] (including [[Oddendale]], the [[Goggleby Stone]], the [[Thunder Stone (Cumbria)|Thunder Stone]], the
• was also the name given to nearby [[Walney Island]].<ref>{{cite web|author=by A. M. Armstrong [and others ... |url=http://openlibrary.org/b/OL198097M/place-names_of_Cumberland |title=''The

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October 2013

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• created by the Axe Factory, [[stone circles]] and [[henges]] began to be built across the county><ref>Barrowclough, 2010, p.105-141</ref> Indeed, " Cumbria has one of the largest number of
• was also the name given to nearby [[Walney Island]].<ref>{{cite web|author=by A. M. Armstrong [and others ... |url=http://openlibrary.org/b/OL198097M/place-names_of_Cumberland |title=''The

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• kings comes from the poems of [[Taliesin]], who was bard to Urien, king of Catraeth and of Rheged (and possibly overlord of [[Elmet]]. It is known, from the poetic sources, that under Urien's
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Scottish Marches

What is you source for this addition? Please add it to the article as an inline citation (see WP:CITE and WP:V) -- PBS (talk) 23:59, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Done Laplacemat (talk) 10:08, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

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March 2017

Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:History of Medieval Cumbria, from its old location at User:Laplacemat/sandbox. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. -Liance^{talk/contribs} 21:19, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks for your help Laplacemat (talk)

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Many thanks for taking the trouble to do this - much appreciatedLaplacemat (talk)

August 2017

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Dear Doug Weller, many thanks for reminding me to do the copied template exercise. I was putting it off until I'd finished editing the main article page (probably never!) Hope I've done it right.

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Penrith

Yes, I think the subtitles make sense now. Thanks for your help. Bmcln1 (talk) 18:54, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Former parishes

I can't find any evidence that Angerton, Broughton West and Dunnerdale-with-Seathwaite CPs were merged, it seems like the councils were merged in 1976 but the CPs remained separate. All sources that I can see show these as separate for example UKBMD does not mention any changes between 1974 and 2011. See Skelsmergh and Scalthwaiterigg for an example of 2 parishes that had their councils combined but the CPs were only merged later. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:05, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks for getting in touch about this. You say that you can't find any evidence that the three CPs were merged, but what is the evidence that shows them to be still separate legal entities? I'm going through the Cumbrian CPs and linking to their respective CCHT web pages. The CCHT has the CPs merging in 1976, but their information may not be correct (hence the disclaimer in the "External links" section of each parish). So I was relying on the Duddon CP website which says that the "old parishes" (ie: not just their councils) were incorporated into Duddon CP. The Category "Former civil parishes in Cumbria" may need to be re-visited and the CCHT alerted to potential ambiguity, if, as you say, there is a disconnection between the CP entity and its actual functioning (the CCHT uses phrases such as "merged with x to form" or "absorbed by x"). Any help gratefully received!Laplacemat (talk) 18:21, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Apologies, I see the CCHT does indeed state that Angerton was merged in 1976 but if you state that CCHT may not be incorrect it could be a misunderstanding from the PC website. The evidence to show the CPs still exist is from the OS (which is generally the standard source for English placenames) shows them as separate[4][5][6] as does Mapit[7][8][9]. Where UKBMD makes note of changes between 1974 and 2011 it doesn't for these 3 parishes. If you look at Thrimby for example that was abolished in 2019 per an order but I can't find one for these. I think in this case its most likely that the CPs are separate but their councils were merged in 1976 and the website suggests the CPs were and maybe CCHT has thought this has happened. Category:Former civil parishes in Cumbria like the other former CP categories is only for CPs that have been abolished completely rather than those that have joint councils or only parish meetings. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again for your reply and clarification. I'm a CCHT member so I'll check through the CCHT volunteer handbook used to compile the entries to see what criteria we are using to determine CP status and alert them accordingly. All the best. Laplacemat (talk) 10:09, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

CCHT category

Hi Laplacemat. Thanks for all your CCHT work here. Do you have any thoughts about having a Cumbria County History Trust category to contain the places you're identifying? I could probably do it with AWB but you may have other plans. --Northernhenge (talk) 19:37, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Northernhenge. Thanks for your encouragement! I wasn't thinking of having a CCHT category. The CCHT links on WP are based on "Cumbria: an historical gazetteer" ed A. Winchester (isbn 9781862203303) which is arranged by civil parish. The existing WP categories "Civil parishes in Cumbria" and "Former civil parishes in Cumbria" do the job for most of the info. The categories "Towns in Cumbria" and "Villages in Cumbria" should cover the townships and hamlets as defined by the CCHT. These categories seem to me to be more "official", searchable and durable than a CCHT one. But don't let me stop you if you think otherwise. My main concern is if the CCHT decides to update its website and change the URLs Laplacemat (talk) 14:44, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

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