User talk:Lalji8331

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Please sign your posts on talkpages

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Thank you. Bishonen | talk 11:27, 21 April 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Please use edit summaries

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Please use the edit summary to explain your reasoning for the edit, or a summary of what the edit changes. Thanks! Bishonen | talk 13:19, 21 April 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Your edits to Ahir

Hi, Llji8331. A week ago you removed some sourced material from Ahir, and your edits were reverted here with a question about your reason. You are not supposed to repeat any of your reverted edits without explaining your reasons and getting consensus for your changes on the talkpage; simply repeating your removal, as you did here, is considered to be the beginning of edit warring, which is forbidden. I understand you didn't know that, as you're a rather new user. Please see Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle for a full explanation of how to handle editing disagreements. Thank you for explaining your edit on the article talkpage,[1] but I'm afraid it's not the kind of explanation that's required by Wikipedia rules. You need to give reliable sources for your change. Stating your own opinion and referring to traditional knowledge is not enough for an encyclopedia. And your accusations on User:Sitush's talkpage, also without referring to any sources for what you say, don't help at all. Bishonen | talk 13:19, 21 April 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Hi, i am new and was unaware of these facts. But i still don't understand who is the authority to decide on arguments. Kajri and birha had noting to do with caste its bhojpuri folk culture. Now Lata Mangeshkar is a singer and Sachin is cricketer both are brahmin by caste, will you add singing and cricket is related to brahmins. You provide me logic as to how Kajri and birha is related to Ahir caste. Why the sole impetus on proving lies on me. If you people cant anything solid relating AHir caste don't just put anything crap. Please let me know why it is relevant before adding it again. Lorki is a folk song sung only in the praise of an Ahir hero "Lorik". Kajri is a season song while birha is just a style of singing. What has it to do with Ahirs. You people delete relevant things about ahir and insert all this crap despite having any knowledge about the community and its history. Refrain from adding things which you have zero knowledge.

Consensus has this authority, not any single editor or group. If you'll click on the policy Consensus and read it, you will see this. Also the essay BOLD, revert, discuss cycle has useful information about it, especially the section Discuss. I understand that there's a lot of reading here, but if you want to edit controversial articles and you get into disagreements, it's necessary to understand these editing principles.

I asked you above to please sign your posts on talkpages, and to please use edit summaries. I notice you haven't yet started doing those things — sorry if all these requests are a bit overwhelming! I won't provide descriptions and links for how to do it again, as you can see it all a little higher up on this page. Edit summaries, as well as signatures with timestamps, are quite important for others who wish to follow and understand your editing, so please ask on my page if you have any questions about how to produce them.

I'm a little surprised to see you write in a message to me about how "you people" delete things and insert crap, and instructing me what I must do before I add things "again". I have never deleted or inserted anything in any of the articles you're concerned about; never edited them at all. I'm only an administrator trying to advise you how to edit appropriately. Please don't make so many accusations. Nobody has spoken to you in the way you routinely speak to me and Sitush, because civility is valued on Wikipedia. Please try to fit in. P. S., when I bluelink a word, the idea is that you can click on it to get information about relevant policies and guidelines. Bishonen | talk 17:56, 23 April 2014 (UTC).[reply]

April 2014

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors according to your reverts at Ahir. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. While edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, breaking the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you. Sitush (talk) 16:19, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent edits

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Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 17:10, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

General sanctions for caste-related articles

I'd really rather not go on at you any more at this time, because I realize it's a lot to take in, but since you're editing Ahir in a tendentious way without providing sources, as well as edit warring, it's getting a bit urgent to warn you about the general sanctions for caste-related articles. Here you go, the standard warning:

The Wikipedia community has permitted administrators to impose discretionary sanctions on any editor who is active on any page about social groups, explicitly including caste associations and political parties, related to India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal. Discretionary sanctions can be used against an editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. If you engage in further inappropriate behavior in this area, you may be placed under sanctions, which can include blocks, a revert limitation, or an article ban. The discussion leading to the imposition of these sanctions can be read here.

Please familiarise yourself with the information page at Wikipedia:General sanctions/South Asian social groups. Bishonen | talk 18:15, 23 April 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Hi, its taking time for me to get familiar with rules and regulations. Dont get annoyed, I am trying to get things in the right way. But, one thing i want to bring to your notice is that, i have provided references to all edits made by me on Ahir page. But, whenever it is been reverted by sitush of may be anyone else...they hardly care about references provided by me. Sitush said me that Raj sources are not allowed, but what about latest books. He reverted even my edits with latest references. Its pain to see that editors here are engaged in painting Ahir community in a negative light. Being an member of the Ahir community, I don't want my community to be wrongly presented on this page. It hurts my sentiments and i wish to lodge complain in the right forum. Trust me its not only me many members of my community feel the same. Particularly about the Yadav page. Since, you are admin, i have suggestion for you also. Before making consensus on article based on particular caste, be inclusive and give weightage to caste members. I am sure its your duty that sitush behaviour doesn't hurts sentiments of caste members. If it does so the purpose of edit gets a setback. Mind it, when you deal with caste based articles you are dealing with a group of people. Few people, who don't even belong to community nor are from that region have the authority to choose what is relevant and what is not. I hope you understand my grievances and will find a proper way out. --Lalji8331 (talk) 10:57, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have great apologies for my rather unfriendly language. But, as i said you i am trying to fit in the environment and it will take some time. And regarding warning and blocking is concerned, you have authority and you can do so, but my views on neutrality of Wikipedia pages will get a setback. I have valid complains and should be addressed to give a proper image to Wiki pages. Wiki pages should not turnout to be a way of thinking of a particular group of people. --Lalji8331 (talk) 11:38, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, but no special weight can be given to caste members, that would be fundamentally against wikipedia principles and consensus principles. (Anyway, everybody's anonymous here. I don't doubt that you are a caste member, but you realize that anybody can say they are.) Weight is given according to quality of arguments and quality of sources, nothing else.

Note that it's not the job of admins to gauge consensus. The participants in the discussion do that themselves. If too few people are involved in the discussion to form a useful consensus, you might be interested in bringing in more outside eyes by posting a Request for comments on Talk:Ahir. Please click on these instructions to see how it's done. That is, if you want to. It may look a little complicated, but don't worry too much about not doing it perfectly. As long as you make a new header called ==Request for comments== on the talkpage and do your best to describe the conflict and the alternatives in that section (do it in a neutral way, no accusations, please), I'm sure Sitush will help you with any technical problem. He's very experienced. You see how I linked his username just now? Linking it like that means that he'll see an alert that he has been mentioned here, and will see what you and I have said. Happy editing! Bishonen | talk 12:59, 24 April 2014 (UTC).[reply]

P.S., thanks for signing! Bishonen | talk 13:01, 24 April 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Thanks for your guidance. I will follow instruction and see to it that I invite more people to arrive at consensus. --Lalji8331 (talk) 16:28, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, please can you confirm that you have read and understand WP:SOCK? I'm a bit concerned about similarities between yourself and Indiansociology. It may be nothing but you are both saying the same things on the same articles using the same language and this troubles me. As long as you are aware of the policy and are not in breach of it, there is no cause for alarm. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 20:15, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You do whatever you want. I know i am on the right side. Its not similarity between me and Indiansociology. You are worried because many people have come here to oppose you and you biased casteist views about a particular community. Its just that our views math and you are worried that both are same person. Even, I browsed the net to find about you and the net is full with blogs, stating that, you are a paid editor indulged in creating vandals to pages related to caste history. Also, that you are a UK national and charge money to malin caste pages. I don't know, how far these allegations are true, but put a doubt on your intentions. You, are selective for sources and as per your convenience brand a source as reliable and unreliable. I don't understand, how come the administrators don't notice this. They, noticed my talks with you and warned me, but are immune to you double standards. It's just that you know wikipedia rules in a better way doesn't makes you right and others wrong. I am not aware of rules and regulation of wikipedia totally, but will find soon. What is the procedure to get this checked that sitush is not here with malafied intent? Admin Bishonen i urge you to interfere impartially and find a solution. If no solution is been found, I may quit wikipedia and never ever again open any wikipedia page. My belief on wikipages to be reliable will shatter and it should be a concern for the admis. --Lalji8331 (talk) 08:03, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

April 2014: block warning

As I said, civility is valued on Wikipedia. I've told you that gently, apparently without making much impression, so note that this is a formal warning. It's policy on Wikipedia that all editors must assume good faith, be civil, and not make personal attacks. Please click on those three links and review those policies before you post again, because I will block you from editing if you violate them again, as you have done several times, and do again both in your post just above and recently on Talk:Yadav. It's not your free choice whether or not to speak in a decent way here. Refrain from attacking Sitush and everybody else or you're out of here. I agree with Sitush that you may be the same person as User:Indiansociology, but it doesn't make much difference; if you behave like Indiansociology you will in any case be treated the same way. Indiansociology was topic banned from caste articles, which were his only interest on Wikipedia. I won't topic ban you if you keep posting insults, as that's unnecessarily complicated. I'll simply block you. Bishonen | talk 09:33, 25 April 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Ok. I seek apology for my behaviour but don't speak Sitush's tone. I dont even know who is this User:Indiansociology. I find you agreeing to Sitush, so should i assume you and Sitush are one and the same. You can get it checked with all your machinery and dont make false and baseless allegation. I guarantee you to be civil henceforth, but i want to have a mediated debate with Sitush over his selective preference over sources and claim of Ahirs being Shudra. I hope you can help me with that.--Lalji8331 (talk) 12:31, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requests for mediation can help you with that. Bishonen | talk 12:51, 25 April 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Lalji8331 are you still trying to improve [Yadav][Ahir] article or finally gave up on wikipedia itself. gostanwik 10:17, 5 September 2017 (UTC)