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Message added 13:05, 5 September 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Yunshui 雲水 13:05, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
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[edit]BLP requires a source for any addition of contentious material being added. You're going to need to provide a reliable third party source that state those are mostly web awards. Mkdwtalk 02:50, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- Here is the direct policy WP:BLPREMOVE and please note that the WP:3RR does not apply to these removals per WP:3RRBLP. Mkdwtalk 02:57, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- I request you to please provide links to any of those 10 'web badges', other than the kid's own site or the newspaper links, so that we can verify the importance of those web badges/web links which everyone will get. None of the so called web badges/web awards has any links or sources over internet. They are just like funny pictures which kids put in websites. Please provide more info on those web badges if you really think they are of any importance. Else we can remove them all keeping only the real awards.--LVerina (talk) 03:02, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- The subject of the article is notable. The content including the awards, do not have to be notable themselves to be included. Merely that a reliable third party source, i.e. a newspaper which has been provided, thought it was worth mentioning in an article about her and therefore meet our criteria to be mentioned. Importance is decided that way, not by your opinions about web awards. You're going to need to find a policy on why you want those awards removed other than WP:IDONTLIKEIT. I've provided my rationale why they've been included which is supported by a policy. Mkdwtalk 03:10, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- While I agree you mentioned the Wikipedia policies to keep those badges, please ask yourself whether these silly list will help any Wiki user. Not a personal statement, but just google up and you will find a membership in the local library (these words were mentioned by some senior member before, in the discussion related to this article) are more important than these 12 awards. You asked me to provide sources and I ask you on the same! Result will be the same thing. You will not find anything related to those awards. Those doesn't exist at all. These are all a very clever way of marketing and shameless self promotion of zero talent. Again, I agree we have no other way but to keep the mention of web badges, as the Wikipedia policy related to it is very bad at this scenario. Sad, people still go blindly on policies and never think on the people whom Wikipedia is for :( --LVerina (talk) 03:19, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- POV pushing a very large problem on Wikipedia. There are plenty of articles that are slanted in a direction because aspects of the article were removed under the rationale, "silly, unimportant, Wikipedia readers won't like it." Sometimes these seemingly trivial facts actually end up being important to others. LVerina, with all due respect, you cannot speak on behalf of the Wikipedia readers, nor can you assume to know exactly what is best for them. These policies that we "blindly" follow are actually the result of thousands of hours of discussion, by the readers, and editors of Wikipedia. They outline what has been important. I think you also need to factor in the fact that you've only ever edited the article Sreelakshmi Suresh. Unless you have another account, your time on Wikipedia is very isolated, and you'll find these policies, on other larger articles, are incredibly important and have preserved some fairly important articles from becoming a mouthpiece for one particular group to express their views on someone truly famous and important. Mkdwtalk 03:32, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- On a lighter but important note - Let me write an example and it may make things simple for you! You are a rocket scientist, your reputation is so high internationally. I am a Doctor in a village. We both work for a hospital. If some patient come to the hospital who need immediate attention and care, the first thing I will do is, to cure him based on what I learned and based on my experience. And I will not even think of printing a large document for him stating which medicines he should take, the medical reasons for it, the research behind each medicine, the success rate and giving him a long lecture on the procedure etc - yet NOT knowing anything about the medical field. But I fear you will do that, I mean ALL expect the medical help he need. Ok, coming to the topic, I am in the field of web design, web programming and related technologies for the last 15 years. I know what is worth mentioning and what is trash. While your argument of 'follow the rules' may sound correct, it will not help the Wikipedia users if you do it blindly. Giving you the utmost respect, I fear you have no clue on web design or related things. Of course you can counter argue that, such knowledge is not necessary to manage a Wikipedia article. But I guess that makes you think this kid has done something great! And I have all the right to comment like my previous one, and this as I use Wikipedia extensively. Whether I edit only one article or ten thousand at a a time doesn't matter - as long as I give importance to quality and not quantity. I don't believe in things like 'It is in a website, so it must be true' kind of rules. I agree I can't go ahead against those policies too. At the same time I can't watch helplessly how an attempt to get popularity out of nothing and shameless self promotion by the kids parents/other people succeed in Wikipedia - which is a public domain. I will try my level best to fight against such malpractices and misuses of Wikipedia but abiding the rules. Thanks again. --LVerina (talk) 08:41, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- On a lighter but important note - Let me write an example and it may make things simple for you! You are a rocket scientist, your reputation is so high internationally. I am a Doctor in a village. We both work for a hospital. If some patient come to the hospital who need immediate attention and care, the first thing I will do is, to cure him based on what I learned and based on my experience. And I will not even think of printing a large document for him stating which medicines he should take, the medical reasons for it, the research behind each medicine, the success rate and giving him a long lecture on the procedure etc - yet NOT knowing anything about the medical field. But I fear you will do that, I mean ALL expect the medical help he need. Ok, coming to the topic, I am in the field of web design, web programming and related technologies for the last 15 years. I know what is worth mentioning and what is trash. While your argument of 'follow the rules' may sound correct, it will not help the Wikipedia users if you do it blindly. Giving you the utmost respect, I fear you have no clue on web design or related things. Of course you can counter argue that, such knowledge is not necessary to manage a Wikipedia article. But I guess that makes you think this kid has done something great! And I have all the right to comment like my previous one, and this as I use Wikipedia extensively. Whether I edit only one article or ten thousand at a a time doesn't matter - as long as I give importance to quality and not quantity. I don't believe in things like 'It is in a website, so it must be true' kind of rules. I agree I can't go ahead against those policies too. At the same time I can't watch helplessly how an attempt to get popularity out of nothing and shameless self promotion by the kids parents/other people succeed in Wikipedia - which is a public domain. I will try my level best to fight against such malpractices and misuses of Wikipedia but abiding the rules. Thanks again. --LVerina (talk) 08:41, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- POV pushing a very large problem on Wikipedia. There are plenty of articles that are slanted in a direction because aspects of the article were removed under the rationale, "silly, unimportant, Wikipedia readers won't like it." Sometimes these seemingly trivial facts actually end up being important to others. LVerina, with all due respect, you cannot speak on behalf of the Wikipedia readers, nor can you assume to know exactly what is best for them. These policies that we "blindly" follow are actually the result of thousands of hours of discussion, by the readers, and editors of Wikipedia. They outline what has been important. I think you also need to factor in the fact that you've only ever edited the article Sreelakshmi Suresh. Unless you have another account, your time on Wikipedia is very isolated, and you'll find these policies, on other larger articles, are incredibly important and have preserved some fairly important articles from becoming a mouthpiece for one particular group to express their views on someone truly famous and important. Mkdwtalk 03:32, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- While I agree you mentioned the Wikipedia policies to keep those badges, please ask yourself whether these silly list will help any Wiki user. Not a personal statement, but just google up and you will find a membership in the local library (these words were mentioned by some senior member before, in the discussion related to this article) are more important than these 12 awards. You asked me to provide sources and I ask you on the same! Result will be the same thing. You will not find anything related to those awards. Those doesn't exist at all. These are all a very clever way of marketing and shameless self promotion of zero talent. Again, I agree we have no other way but to keep the mention of web badges, as the Wikipedia policy related to it is very bad at this scenario. Sad, people still go blindly on policies and never think on the people whom Wikipedia is for :( --LVerina (talk) 03:19, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- The subject of the article is notable. The content including the awards, do not have to be notable themselves to be included. Merely that a reliable third party source, i.e. a newspaper which has been provided, thought it was worth mentioning in an article about her and therefore meet our criteria to be mentioned. Importance is decided that way, not by your opinions about web awards. You're going to need to find a policy on why you want those awards removed other than WP:IDONTLIKEIT. I've provided my rationale why they've been included which is supported by a policy. Mkdwtalk 03:10, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- I request you to please provide links to any of those 10 'web badges', other than the kid's own site or the newspaper links, so that we can verify the importance of those web badges/web links which everyone will get. None of the so called web badges/web awards has any links or sources over internet. They are just like funny pictures which kids put in websites. Please provide more info on those web badges if you really think they are of any importance. Else we can remove them all keeping only the real awards.--LVerina (talk) 03:02, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- I know my words may get wrongly interpreted as 'I know this, so it must be true' too! But I am not sure how to take this to a discussion page in Wikipedia, like we discuss when propose an article for deletion. Is there anyway we can invite others into this discussion and asking them to comment on? As only two are discussing here, it may help both of us and also the huge number of Wikipedia users if some other person who is knowledgeable in this area and knowing the basic rules/policies of Wikipedia intervene. I find it hard to explain to you, how useless and silly the long list of web badges as you stick on the rules adamantly. All the newspapers which listed those badges quoted what the kid/parents/people behind her mentioned and no link or other sources to check even such badges exist at all! On googling, only one web badge has existence and that is clearly a 'pay to receive' award :( All other links goes to the kids site or those newspaper links, again quoting her/her parents! Also, I see you always jump to prove she is/was the youngest CEO/Webdesigner, in fact she is/was never! The recent edit by you clearly shows that. It is not my words or my assumption but huge number of sources which proves it is/was never true. The whole story and Wikipedia article was based on these two main points. Really hope someday some sensible and senior Wikipedia admin realize it and remove this promotional material. --LVerina (talk) 11:04, 13 April 2015 (UTC)