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Dunoon

Hi @LITTLE LUGS: I had to revert your addition of a whole bundle of external links per WP:ELNO. Wikipedia isn't a social media platform where random links can be posted. scope_creep^Talk 18:01, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Scope creep: You replaced my updates of current links to old dead links, well done! LITTLE LUGS (talk) 20:29, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@LITTLE LUGS: I added a couple of yours in, checked the rest and removed the ones that didn't work. scope_creep^Talk 20:53, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Scope creep: You have removed links to websites with Dunoon information. The likes of Gaelic Place Names which has been a long standing link! I updated the archived link to the current live site! (LITTLE LUGS (talk) 21:51, 14 July 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Gaelic Place Names, for me is quite handy as I can use it for other article, but I don't think it has any place on the Dunoon article. It may be long standing link, but it is non-specific and the reason it is probably left there is that no editor has seen it, including me. scope_creep^Talk 21:59, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of B836 road

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This road exists, lazy editing by CommanderWaterford as a quick google search would show of it's existence!LITTLE LUGS (talk)

Sandbox

I will need to remember to use a sandbox. Not in the habit yet. LITTLE LUGS (talk) 16:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm

Is there any point in adding to articles on Wikipedia as there is some rule somewhere that means any changes, updates to current info or new pages will be deleted! Very over zealous Editors, some who seem to do nothing but frustrate any addition that tries to keep information current and correct. Editors whatever they think cannot be current on every subject/place etc on Wikipedia.

Some are helpful and seem unable to control the militant editors who hate change and guard Wikipedia as if it is their personal Encyclopedia.

LITTLE LUGS (talk) 16:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whistlefield in Argyll and Bute. There is two.

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Whistlefield in Argyll and Bute. There is two. One was formally in Dunbartonshire but since a boundary change is now also in Argyll and Bute. How do you differentiate between two places with the same name in the same council area? The two were being muddled up so I created Whistlefield, Dunbartonshire as this was its former area, while Whistlefield, Argyll and Bute already exsisted. LITTLE LUGS (talk) 20:38, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! The relevant Wikipedia guideline about disambiguating placenames is at WP:PLACEDAB. What I can gather from there is that if there are smaller council areas/geographical areas that could differentiate the two places, then you should use that. If there isn't, then unfortunately I don't know the answer to your question, and I would suggest asking at the Help Desk. Hopefully this helps, if you need more help however, you can click this link to ask a question, or just leave a message on my talk page. Seagull123 Φ 22:12, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Argyll placenames

Hallo, I see you have renamed a lot of placenames in Argyll: please see WP:SCOTLANDPLACE which makes a specific exception where it says:

"Settlements in Argyll and Bute. Mainland Argyll settlements should be styled placename, Argyll. For example, Tarbet, Argyll."

Please undo all those moves which were against the agreed naming system. Thanks. PamD 07:39, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

HOT HOT HOT

Did I mention it is HOT and clammy! Little sleep again tonight I fear. LITTLE LUGS (talk) 21:44, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Moving articles without consultation or consensus

You should not move articles arbitrarily without first, at each article, ensuring that you have a consensus in favour of doing so. For example, Helensburgh in Scotland is the wp:primary topic and does not need to be disambiguated. Please review the other similar changes you made. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 22:22, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@John Maynard Friedman:Placenames in Argyll: please see WP:SCOTLANDPLACE which makes a specific exception where it says: "Settlements in Argyll and Bute. Mainland Argyll settlements should be styled placename, Argyll. For example, Tarbet, Argyll. Take it up with the rule makers.LITTLE LUGS (talk) 22:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Now read it again yourself. When disambiguation is required .... Disambiguation is not required for Helensburgh nor for almost none of the articles you have moved. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:15, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@John Maynard Friedman:Scotland

Shortcut WP:SCOTLANDPLACE Where disambiguation is required placename, council area is normally used. For example, Cullen, Moray.

When disambiguation is required for a settlement on a Scottish Island, placename, island/island chain is used. For example, Tarbert, Harris and Balfour, Orkney. Lewis and Harris are treated as separate islands for this purpose.

If further disambiguation is required, then another form of natural and recognisable disambiguation should be used, such as traditional regions, committee areas etc. For example, Kinnaird, Gowrie; and Kinnaird, Atholl; both in Scotland and in Perth and Kinross.

*Exceptions include:

- The number of larger settlements or islands that are likely to be well-known outside of the region, that also require disambiguation such as Perth, Scotland, and Jura, Scotland.

- Settlements in Argyll and Bute. Mainland Argyll settlements should be styled placename, Argyll. For example, Tarbet, Argyll.

- Settlements in the Highland council area. Where disambiguation is required, placename, District should be used. For example, Wick, Caithness. However, mainland Skye and Lochalsh settlements should be styled placename, Lochalsh.

LITTLE LUGS (talk) 07:36, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Which part of "where disambiguation is required" did you not understand? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 09:45, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@LITTLE LUGS:, I reverted your move of Dunoon For the same reason. The exception noted for Argyle concerns using ", Argyle" as the disambiguation term instead of the council name "Argyll and Bute". older ≠ wiser 10:09, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
John Maynard Friedman and older ≠ wiser The other two "Exceptions" have a qualification of "where disambiguation is required", mainland settlements in Argyll doesn't have the qualification. So reads as this "should be styled placename, Argyll". LITTLE LUGS (talk) 12:13, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

a good rule is this: if your logic leads to a crazy result then either your logic is faulty or your starting assumptions are faulty. I don't know what provoked you into this wp:disruptive campaign of article moves but you need to go back and resolve it before the situation escalates. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:24, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

John Maynard FriedmanI am following the rule as worded. As pointed out to me by another editor. LITTLE LUGS (talk) 12:27, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@LITTLE LUGS:, the guidance was added with this edit referring to this discussion. To me it looks like the discussion concerned cases where disambiguation was needed, even though the language did not make that clear. Pinging participants in that discussion @Waterwynd, Le Deluge, Vclaw, Ben MacDui, Deskford, and Jonathan Oldenbuck:. older ≠ wiser 12:39, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Folks, Several people on that list are no longer on Wikipedia. I created the List of places in Highland (council area) article, including all the village articles in. Currently I'm still going through that list, updating the maps, adding references, image and so on, to improve them. I'm currently on N. The current consensus as far as I knew was places are only disambiguated if there is a need for it. Dunoon doesn't need it, hence the reason it has been sitting for 15 years without disamg. on it. Most of the settlements in Scotland don't need any disamb. as their names are generally unique, as you can see from that list. Most of the work on these settlements have in regard the naming, been completed more than 10 years ago. scope_creep^Talk 13:02, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just putting my thoughts in. The way that I read the direction "Settlements in Argyll and Bute. Mainland Argyll settlements should be styled placename, Argyll. For example, Tarbet, Argyll." is in combination with "Where disambiguation is required placename, council area is normally used. For example, Cullen, Moray.". However, in mainland Argyll rather than saying "Town, Argyll and Bute" it is just Argyll. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 18:51, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

100% agree with CBW and scope_creep. Disambiguation for its own sake is not what is required or was intended. The purpose of the section is explicitly "Where disambiguation is required...". Ben Mac Dui 10:45, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So, multiple editors are offering feedback to what seems to be a new account. This occurs 3 years after a final warning was given to a different account. If similar errors continue to be applied, and feedback rejected, then a negative reputation will continue. I'm concerned that this implies that there is little to suggest this editor is aiming for a WP:CLEANSTART? Drchriswilliams (talk) 22:09, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

John Maynard FriedmanI do not care for your choice of language, "if your logic leads to a crazy result then either your logic is faulty or your starting assumptions are faulty. I don't know what provoked you into this wp:disruptive campaign of article moves but you need to go back and resolve it before the situation escalates." As I am following the rule as written, your language is out of place, unhelpful and threatening. I find it even more galling when I was pointed to this rule by another editor! LITTLE LUGS (talk) 13:41, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My intention was to be helpful, I did not intend to be offensive or seem to be telling you off. I am not suggesting that you were being deliberately disruptive but only that the effect of the edits is to create a lot of work. I am not questioning your good faith: I acknowledge that what you did was entirely consistent with your understanding of the policy. What I had hoped to convey was that the conclusion you reached (that dozens of articles needed changing) should have made you hesitate and either ask to editor who told you of the rule "is this really what you meant? did you realise that this will be the consequence?" and even if they did (because it still seems very odd) I would go to the talk page for WP:SCOTLANDPLACE to ask for a second opinion. And that applies just as equally to what I have written: I am just another editor too. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:54, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia, is a bureaucracy of know it all's and superiority.

Wikipedia:Wikipedia is a bureaucracy of self inflated egos. LITTLE LUGS (talk) 11:44, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Glacial erratics in Scotland

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