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Mumbai[edit]Please provide a direct quote from the book if you're going to revert. Gbooks has multiple sources that show the 42% number that the IP changed to. Just because we have the same text quoted in two different places, it doesn't make the number right. Also, please be aware of the three revert rule. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 13:32, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
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If you did not create it entirely yourself, please ask the person who created the file to take one of the two steps listed above, or if the owner of the file has already given their permission to you via email, please forward that email to permissions-en If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Non-free content, use a tag such as {{non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use, and add a rationale justifying the file's use on the article or articles where it is included. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use. If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have provided evidence that their copyright owners have agreed to license their works under the tags you supplied, too. You can find a list of files you have created in your upload log. Files lacking evidence of permission may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. —SpacemanSpiff 07:33, 8 September 2010 (UTC) Sabudana Khichdi[edit]Hi, I was just contributing. IMHO, the references do not imply that Sabudana Khichdi is only consumed in "Maharashtra". Its consumed in all the Northern parts of India, including J&K, Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Rajasthan, Gujrat, Delhi, Uttar Pradesh and Uttranchal. Secondly, I simply linked Sabudana to Tapioca, which was valid. The picture associated with article is also missing. Can you please add all this info to the article? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumar ldh (talk • contribs) 15:21, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I can post a slightly different recipe on a cookery site and can call it a "quality" source. I dont want to argue about authenticity or quality of the sources. There is not authoritative material, neither on internet nor in print, that says the said dish is limited to Maharashtra. 2ndly, linking to Tapioca was in no way harming or decreasing the quality of page, in fact, my friends in USA now know how to look for sabudana in Lucky's or Ross stores. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumar ldh (talk • contribs) 11:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
If you still think my contribution is wrong I will come back and argue. You can involve Super Users. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumar ldh (talk • contribs) 18:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Apart from this, please give me authentic references that say Sabudana khichadi
And, please please use sane browser that corrects spellings.
I am not a Grammar Nazi but you mentioned in one of our conversation that you pay attention to what you type. I will request you to not to alter the text until and unless you have credible resources. Thanks. Kumar Chetan Sharma 18:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumar ldh (talk • contribs)
Hi. As you recently commented in the straw poll regarding the ongoing usage and trial of Pending changes, this is to notify you that there is an interim straw poll with regard to keeping the tool switched on or switching it off while improvements are worked on and due for release on November 9, 2010. This new poll is only in regard to this issue and sets no precedent for any future usage. Your input on this issue is greatly appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 23:39, 20 September 2010 (UTC) Do you know more about Gurgaon than I do or which references are irrelevant?[edit]Hi KuwarOnline, Obsolete and irrelevant references are not sacrosanct; nor do they hold good for all times to come. And it does not make an article any better by cluttering it with ten irrelevant references for one sentence just for the sake of providing references. Therefore I removed obsolete and irrelevant references. I did not temper with any template as you have erroneously written. I wonder whether you took care to read the text (that took me two hours to write after careful deliberations) or used your privilege of undoing on the spur just because you have such a privilege. I live in Gurgaon; you do not. I know what is a relevant reference for Gurgaon; you do not. I know what is the current status in Gurgaon; you do not. You are a young software engineer and know how to use Java to undo someone's contribution done in good faith. After I studied BTech at IIT, Delhi forty years ago followed by MBA from Indian Institute of Management (IIM), one of the positions I held for many years was the CEO of an IT company where software was written and tested for many clients and therefore many user manuals and technical documents were also written. I had to guide some software engineers and technical writers how to produce good manuals and technical literature for better readability as they lacked skills to write compact and succinct texts. Please do not use your privilege without carefully reading what has been contributed. It may turn out sometimes that the contributor knows more about the subject of the article than you do and knows more about editing an article than you do. Therefore you cannot mechanically undo a contribution without knowing about the subject or without analysing why some obsolete and irrelevant references have been removed. I repeat: Obsolete and irrelevant references are not sacrosanct; nor do they hold good for all times to come. And it does not make an article any better by cluttering it with several irrelevant references for one line just for the sake of providing references. Relevant references YES, should be provided; irrelevant references NO, not acceptable and should be removed. And do not use words like "you may be blocked from editing": it reflects arrogance; there are better ways of conveying the same message. Rao Ravindra (talk) 11:48, 21 September 2010 (UTC) Rao Ravindra
Hi, I would like to second Rao Ravindra's remarks. You can not use words like, "you may be blocked from editing". Please refrain from intimidating other contributors. FYI, Thaindian is not an Indian newspaper/journal. And please pay attention to the grammar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumar ldh (talk • contribs) 07:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Here is the line I typed, "Please refrain from intimidating other contributors" and your line "you may be blocked from editing". Compare these and you will understand what sounds more intimidating. Hi KuwarOnline, I am currently visiting my son in San Jose in Silicon Valley, California, where he works as a computer hardware engineer in Cisco Systems. Therefore I will not attend any Wikipedia meeting in Delhi. Anyway, I have no intention of becoming an editor because I am happy working as a Senior Management Consultant. You have lived in a new part of Gurgaon for one and a half years whereas I was born in Gurgaon district more than sixty years ago and have seen it grow from a small sleepy dusty town. I am familiar with its pulse and do not have only superficial knowledge. I contributed to the article on Gurgaon as Gurgaon is close to my heart. I have studied the pages WP:NPOV, Wikipedia:No original research and WP:VERIFY that you referred to. It is obvious that you look for trees (or rather leaves) whereas I look for woods. I strive for a well-written article based on well-documented facts whereas you look only for so-called references irrespective of whether they are based on facts or not or are mere gossip written for increasing the newspaper or periodical's circulation. For example, in the Wiki article on DLF Ltd. you insisted on retaining the words "a multi-billion dollar business park in Bangalore,[8]" and, when someone removed it, you reinstated it in September 2010 because it had "quality source" reference. Did you realise that that the so-called "quality reference" was written in 2006 and things had changed radically in 2008-09 for realty sector in India and DLF in particular and the "quality reference" had become obsolete and therefore was no longer true and needed to be dropped? DLF dropped the plan in 2009 but you never caught up with the developments and reinstated the sentence in September 2010. Here is the new "quality source" reference from reputed Economic Times for your information: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/real-estate/news-/DLF-nixes-mall-plans-offloads-Bangalore-property/articleshow/5486594.cms dated 22 January 2010. Will you now make amends and remove the sentence that you had reinstated as an "editor" of Wiki? And will you write to the person who had rightly removed the sentence? An essential prerequisite of becoming an editor is to know what developments are taking place and stay current - at least on the subject being edited. Tell me what is "quality" in these sentences which have wrong grammar and capitalisation of letters at wrong places (the first sentence should not have capital "I" and the third sentence should not have "in" before "every"):
and compare them with the sentences that I had written:
Thirty four references for just four sentences!! They used up more than 10KB. Of course, I could have let them remain and just corrected the grammar, diction and punctuation. Would that have made the article a "quality" article? Do let me know because I am again going to improve the bad English diction and grammar and remove obsolete and doubtful references that clutter the article. It is my intent to make the article on Gurgaon compact, well-rounded, well-written and, of course, well-referenced. Ir may help you to become a good "editor" if you improve your English because you wrote "sentence" as "sentance" while reinstating the sentence in the DLF article and wrote wrong grammar in some of your contributions. Writing articles or making good contributions to articles is somewhat different from writing codes for software program or Java applets. Rao Ravindra (talk) 13:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
IMHO, you need to pay attention to grammar and start using a sane browser. If you had used FireFox 3.x you would have corrected english to English. and have never punched in dont but don't. Adding arbitrary number of references, that too news sources, won't make some thing credible. I will prefer providing studies and or research results. Last, writing document "System.out.println("Hello World!");" is totally different than writing "Hello World" or "Hello World!". If you pay attention both have different meaning. Kumar Chetan Sharma 16:28, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Well, I am sorry if my comments offended you. I am not against you posting anything but I am against just dumping anything on Wiki. Kids refer to Wiki more than anything. And kids are future. So just for the sake of better future lets not dump information. And in my 10+ years of professional life, I never programmed in Java, there were always better options. Just kidding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumar ldh (talk • contribs) 17:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Talkback[edit] Message added 14:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Grammar & content copying[edit]Hi, I have followed your contributions on Wiki. You have been citing WP guidelines to me and other contributors. I am really not sure which guideline says its OK to
Don't think I am a grammar Nazi. I am not even graduate as per Indian education system and studied in Hindi medium till matriculation. I will suggest you to review your content before you publish. I hope you wont take my edits or comments in good spirit not otherwise. Kumar Chetan Sharma 19:53, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
I am back in India. After seeing your attitude in talk with many persons where you keep on defending your indefensible actions, I strongly feel that you need an orientation course in editing before you can call yourself an "editor". You are wrong if you think that you can call yourself "editor" by citing some policies, reverting other persons' contributions, not keeping yourself up-to-date on the subject being edited but overriding others' well-thought contributions despite your poor knowledge of the subject being edited, writing wrong spellings, writing wrong grammar and above all not being humble and refuting to be believe that others may know more than you. It may help you in your career if you stick to your job in Sapient and forget about what you call "editing" - at least until you have learnt what is real editing. I have better things to do in life. Therefore I will not write to you any more in view of your attitude towards others. Rao Ravindra (talk) 04:35, 26 September 2010 (UTC) Ravindra Rao
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