User talk:Knobbly

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I changed it to Kevin Giles as there was no page for that, have you found other ones on here or something? Just thought I ask! Wgolf (talk) 18:09, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Google reveals a few other Kevin Giles, maybe none of his significance, so I thought just to be safe and clear I'd add (author).Knobbly (talk) 23:12, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

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May 2018 The Shaun King 'See Also' Controversy

Please do not add defamatory content to Wikipedia, as you did to Shaun King, especially if it involves living persons. Thank you. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:25, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't think it's defamatory to link Shaun King's article with Grey Owl, Jimmie Durham and Rachel Dolezal, because he like them has been involved in a controversy about his racial identity. For example, this Snopes article is all about the controversy around Shaun's racial identity and notes in its conclusion:

When Broughton’s August 2015 statement was taken into consideration, the sole remaining evidence of King’s purported fabrication hinged on photographs in which he appeared to possibly be white; however, biracial individuals historically “passed” as one race or another depending on circumstances (or even incidentally). While King appeared to be white in some early photos, he also appeared to be biracial or black in separate photos from his youth shared prior to the controversy.

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It is entirely defamatory to add "See also" links from King's article to the articles of three people who are generally confirmed to have lied about their racial ancestry, when zero reliable sources can be found today stating that King is anything other than he says he is. (Note: Breitbart is not a reliable source.) It is a blatant attempt at creating guilt by association and it's simply not going to be acceptable here. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 06:06, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

But don't defame Rachel Dolezal and Jimmie Durham in your effort to protect Shaun King's reputation, especially given that they are also living persons. Knobbly (talk) 08:20, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

See, this is precisely your problem - you're conflating things that aren't equivalent. As our article on Dolezal explains, a wide array of reliable sources describe her claims as false, and she has indeed publicly admitted that her claim was false. Neither is true of King; to the contrary, he strenuously, repeatedly and publicly rejected the allegations, and after revealing his out-of-wedlock parentage nearly three years ago, no reliable source has since questioned his ancestry. One thing is not like the other, and that's why one of these things just doesn't belong. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 08:26, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

You have misunderstood the purpose of a 'See also' section. They're not about topics that are identical or as you allege topics that could be "conflated", but simply things that are similar. Shaun King and Rachel Dolezal have both been involved in controversies about their racial identity. Interestingly Rachel Dolezal while conceding her biological parents are 'white', continues to identify as 'black'. Knobbly (talk) 09:55, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

That is like saying Osama bin Laden should be a "See also" for Richard Jewell because they have both been accused of terrorism. The issue should be obvious. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 13:58, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

But that could be solved, as it is in other articles, with sub-headings under the 'See also' section. Additionally, the topic of terrorism is massive, but the group of people involved in controversies about their racial identity is much smaller, so it's not a good allegory.Knobbly (talk) 22:45, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

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Workflowy: Code Recovery

Hey, just a note, someone G11ed one of your articles, Workflowy, without notifying you. If you're interested, Ill email you the content. L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:46, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks I'd apprerciate that! (It took me by suprise, while I'm a Workflowy user (with no connection to the company!) I tried to only write what was notable and use verifable sources.) Knobbly (talk) 22:57, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

done. L293D (☎ • ✎) 23:04, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Note that one of the reasons your draft was G11ed is that you included external links to download the app, which is against policy. L293D (☎ • ✎) 23:05, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. Also I'll remove external download links. Knobbly (talk) 23:10, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

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We meet again Jytdog, thanks for the notification. Knobbly (talk) 23:58, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Lindsay Shepherd: YouTube link and pictures

Hi Knobbly, re: this edit, I see "Lindsay Shepherd's channel on". That's why I added YouTube. Is the template displaying something that I can't see? SarahSV ^(talk) 00:55, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah,

{{YouTube|channel=UCTjxmzChimJa3X_rAgLAnxg}}

appears as Lindsay Shepherd's channel on YouTube. Great work improving the overall quality of the article. Also I've been meaning to ask, wouldn't it be better a screenshot of from The Agenda with Steve Paikin rather than a picture of Steve Paikin? (Or would that violate copyright?) Knobbly (talk) 02:57, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Do you happen to know what my computer is missing that means I don't see the words "on YouTube"? Re: the screenshot, we would have to claim fair use, whereas the image of Paikin is free. SarahSV ^(talk) 03:21, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

It could be that your browser isn't up to date or you've got some sort third-party app interfering reading the Wiki Markup language. The Template:YouTube page which controls the code:

{{YouTube|VIDEOID}}

wasn't helpful. Re: Paikin, fair enough. Knobbly ^talk 06:32, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. It's definitely browser related. Will try to troubleshoot later. SarahSV ^(talk) 23:16, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

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We treat fiction and non-fiction differently. For non-fiction we look for what independent sources meeting WP:RS have to say about a book. If there aren't any, then the book is almost certainly not notable or significant enough to write about (which in fact would be true about a work of fiction). Doug Weller talk 12:40, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me Doug. So just to be clear you’re saying there is no basis for short summaries of non-fiction in Wikipedia, if there’s no independent source summarising the material? Given the large number of books (both fiction and non-fiction) with plot or content summaries, (and no independent sources) I’d assumed this was allowed! Knobbly ^talk 11:38, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

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Feel free to re-write the article - Gold escorts - it was very nice, small problem is that they have existed all around Australia - and needed to have evidence of this for all around oz - not just sa and vic - absoluteley delightful, sorry to have messed it... JarrahTree 11:05, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

I live near the old Vic-SA Gold Escort route, saw a book about it in the local library and assumed it the only one, but then realised later wherever there was gold, there would've been gold escorts. Thanks for adding a lede and a heading. Knobbly ^talk 12:54, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

When you see those sorts of things - do the articles - that was a missing part of the industry on the Australian project - and important - and your effort was really good - another book at the library and another subject? - more please! JarrahTree 13:55, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

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