User talk:King of the North East/Archive10

Still about editing "Argentines of Italian descent" category

Sorry if I insist on this, but I just read your talk with SpikeToronto about my editing of Hernán Crespo article and want to explain something.

First of all, I can provide an external link referring to Crespo's Italian heritage, it's both it.footbo.com/Players/Hernan_Crespo and it.footbo.com/Players/Hernan_Crespo/Biography: in those pages they clearly state Crespo has got an Italian descent from the province of Cuneo, in the Italian region of Piemonte. So you can see I'm not making up any information, it's not just that Crespo's got an Italian sounding name: if it was just for that, I might add so many Argentine football players to the "Argentines of Italian descent" category (a lot of them have some Italian descent and their surnames prove that for sure) but I won't, that's no problem.

Anyway, if that's what it takes for Crespo, I will also add those external references within the article dedicated to him, so there won't be any more formal problems about it. I'd just want to know if I can add this info (Crespo's Italian descent) and the related references to it in the Discussion page of Hernán Crespo article, since I'm not sure where I could insert that information within the article itself (I think a Trivia section wouldn't be very appropriate in this case). Best regards again —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.40.29.38 (talk • contribs)

DYK nomination of Eduardo Ricagni

Hello! Your submission of Eduardo Ricagni at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Binksternet (talk) 03:40, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great work in addressing the indicated problems at DYK! I approved it for the Main page.

I have a question: Do you know if this action photo is in the public domain? Can it be used in the article or in the DYK entry? Binksternet (talk) 21:20, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for Eduardo Ricagni

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Royal broil 19:36, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Juan Carlos Touriño

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DYK for Juan Carlos Touriño

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Materialscientist (talk) 11:42, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced BLPs

Hello King of the North East! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 4 of the articles that you created are Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons. Please note that all biographies of living persons must be sourced. If you were to add reliable, secondary sources to these articles, it would greatly help us with the current 317 article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the list:

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Diego Raúl Suárez

Hi King. Do you chek the editors of certain pages before naming them hoaxes? You really think I would make a hoax? Listen, the player in question isn´t really a Maradona, and I think he didn´t get to play any league game for OFK Beograd in First League in Serbia, wich would automatically make him notable. I still need to chek it, but I´m not sure for other Argentine or Paraguayan clubs. Anyway, I remember when he arrived to Serbia together with Mario Berrios and another Colombian player, and all came out to be flops. I do remember anouncing specifically Suarez as young teams Argentine international, and as a promise, that obviously came to be unlike, since he end up playing in Spanish third division. I used those sources because the blog one was the best (photo included, and much of career) and the Transfermarkt, that was uncomplete, but desapired, and I didn´t knew it. It is hard to find sources for him since the google search gives me millions of hits. Anyway, I don´t mind if the page is deleted (he is a pretty mediocre footballer), but I am quite offended you thinking I would make a hoax here. FkpCascais (talk) 01:08, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanx, but it´s really me who would have to apologies to you. I should have never adressed to you because of this, it was a stupid thing I did, and I regreat it. You are very much right. The article is very poorly sourced (actually, unsourced, having in mind that a blog is its best source...) and the player is highly doubtfull if deserving an article or not. I feel very stupid! I was tired, and I was doing a lot of borring gnome work when I saw it, so I don´t really take responsability for those words. Today, I was feeling shamed and asking God my message disapeared :) . To tell you the trouth, I made the article because when searching for foreign players in Serbia, I found some forum where some guy remembered him saying something like:"...hey, remember that Argentinian INTERNATIONAL player that came to OFK?..." so I was wondering, it really is hard to find anything about him, so that gives people the right to say all kind of lies like that one, as he was some star-player, Argentinian international!!! So, I touth doing the page for those guys to know better who he was, and not exagerate or speculate any more, because I knew he was no star, and that he end up playing in Spain in Tercera. If you have time, you could give me some advice where to search for him in Argentine league to see if he did get to play, or was loaned to some other club, resuming, if there is anything about him from Argentina. I would also want to chek if he did played in Paraguay, as I think the article says. The problem with OFK stats is that the source I´m using doesn´t mention him, meaning that he didn´t play any league match, but, I just wanted to wait to check it somewhere first before writting 0 (0), because that source already missed some players from other clubs, so it is also possible that missed him (unlike, but possible). Well anyway, I apologise to you once more, and I´ll try to find something more about him (did you saw the source I added to his page? It looks like the way he was presented in OFK back then, as a potencial young star, that played along Mascherano, Tevez or Zabaleta for some young Argentinian squads does have some trouth there). I´ll promess to give you news about if I find something more, and you too, if you pop-up anywhere to his name. Muchas grácias King :) FkpCascais (talk) 21:54, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanx for the sources, I´ll search there, but they can be very usefull in the future... Don´t warry about Spanish, I speak Spanish since I was born (I went to live in Mexico City when I was 1 ) and did most of my studies in Spanish. I also live in Portugal for 20 years now, so I speak Spanish and Portuguese as native. I also work as translator in part-time. Since I had many Argentinian friends (and girlfriends :))), ñami, ñami...), I know to say with perfect Argentinian accent, for exemple "Callate!" . Thanx again. FkpCascais (talk) 22:34, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

re: Unsourced BLP

Hello again King. I appreciate the warning about that editor. I hope that this is a case of new articles that the various BLP bots just haven't tagged yet (seems like all of that editor's contributions are from February 2010). I'll also leave him or her a message about following policy. It's unfortunate that many of the people who are new editors that won't follow the rules are also some of the most prolific - however, I've seen plenty of them reform and even help source their articles, so I still have hope. I hope you're doing well. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 21:32, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Matías Quiroga

It looks all you were saying came up to be right and all you edited in the page is right. You can only add the link to Spanish wiki article, wich confirms all (sadly without sources, but anyway). I also found on Transfermarkt interesting info about his youth/early career. The BDFA page is curiously very incomplete, it even misses his Newells year! I already gave up of using BDFA because whenever I needed it, I usually found some better sites...

About Matias playing in Audax, in Audax page it says he is 23 years old, meaning he was born same year as the other (1986), so the Soccernet talks about him, as you said, but has the birthdate wrong, since it is the same as the Colo-Colo Matías one. The birthdate in Goal.com must be the right one. More from the Audax site, it says he came from Argentinian third league club Club Juventud Unida de San Luis and he is a forward (the Colo-Colo is midfielder).

So I supose everything is solved, right?

Thanx for letting me know about the competition going on there. I already sourced a pretty big number of articles, and even receved a award for it. The only problem is that I don´t know how to make a list of all players I sourced, since it was a week ago...

I touth you were Argentinian :) FkpCascais (talk) 00:35, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know Jogurney is the best editor around! But, I still don´t know how I could see the articles I sourced. I hope going trough my contributions isn´t the only way... I already asked for help about this there. FkpCascais (talk) 00:51, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Miloš Miljanić

Sorry King, since he was born in 1960, he would logically appear in the Yugoslav League all players stats beyween 1974-1992 that I have for the First and Second Yugoslav Leagues, but unfortunatelly, his name doesn´t appear at all. So, he may have played for some Third league club... His name also doesn´t appear in any of the regular sites I use for cheking players careers. You did well removing the Yugoslav nat.team thing. He didn´t even play in the Second League, much less for the national team... If I find something more about him, I´ll tell you. Send more doubts if you have. Cheers. FkpCascais (talk) 19:16, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rafael Aparecido Silva

Hi King. I wanted to check with you about this article because I added a link to Globo Esporte's Futpedia for this player which shows he's already made 20 Campeonato Brasileiro Serie A appearances for Corinthians and several in the Copa do Brasil as well. Surely he passes WP:ATHLETE, but perhaps I'm missing something? Best regards and keep up the great BLP sourcing work. Jogurney (talk) 17:16, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for removing the PROD. I also forgot to mention that I removed the PRODs from João Arthur Bueno de Camargo, Gualberto Luís da Silva Júnior, Anselmo de Moraes and Gabriel Silva because all of them have played for Palmeiras in the Campeonato Paulista 2010. Anselmo has only played 5 minutes but, technically, even he passes WP:ATHLETE. I've also added UOL Esporte references to show that they've played (soccerway.com has similar information, but I'm not sure if it meets WP:RS). Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 22:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

re: Romania Liga II

Hi King. I have no idea whether this league is fully-pro, but I suspect it isn't simply because reserve sides for the big clubs play in the league. Maybe it's a good idea to take one of those players to AfD and see if some of the Romanian editors know for sure? Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 03:22, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Levon Smith

This was a huge mess, but I cleaned it up a bit. I think he is in fact notable per WP:ATHLETE. He allegedly plays for a team at the highest level of soccer. Send it to AfD if need be, or get back to me. Bearian (talk) 04:09, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, he was on the Olympic team. While only a sub and not used in the semi-finals, I think that counts for something. Bearian (talk) 04:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Luis Garrido

Here is another player you prodded, clearly notable for having played internationally and for the highest professional level. With only a basic knowledge of reading Spanish, and zero interest in soccer, I was able to source it easily. What are you doing and why? Do you know something that I don't about this and the other player? Bearian (talk) 04:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I got your message. Do you want to take this to WP:AfD? Are they now at the highest professional level? Bearian (talk) 04:04, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Co-ownership (football)

Hi, thanks for contributing to co-ownership (football). I started the article after searching for co-ownership to find out how it worked, and got re-directed to third party ownership in association football; quite clearly not the same thing! Grateful for your help so far expanding the article, I just wondered if you could add anything further regarding the intricacies of co-ownership, particularly what happens if a third club wants to buy the player outright (as opposed to one of the co-owners buying out the other party). Many thanks in advance! Grunners (talk) 15:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

BLP sticky PROD

Hi King of the North East/Archive10!. Every attempt to rescue a Wikipedia article is a noble gesture. However, there may be occasions when, with the best will in the world, it is just not possible to accord even a minimum of notability to an article or stub, or find a proper source for it. Most regrettably, even the most dedicated inclusionists will have to concede that the article may have to go if the creator or major contributors cannot justify their work.
For new and recent unsourced BLPs, some users are now working at WT:BLP PROD TPL on the development of templates that are designed to encourage contributors to source new BLPs, without scaring away the newbies who might not be aware of the rules. This template is certainly not another a licence to kill for the deletionists, in fact the very idea of it is to ensure that you are not fighting a losing battle. It would be great if you could look in at the prgogress and maybe leave a word of encouragement. The workshop page is essentially a template development taskforce, and is not a place to engage in a hefty debate on incusion/deletion policy. See you at WT:BLP PROD TPL?--Kudpung (talk) 12:59, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion declined: Gilberto García

Hello King of the North East. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Gilberto García, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Author has not requested deletion, or other users have added substantial content. Thank you. Tim Song (talk) 17:52, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March 2010

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Diego Álvarez, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Airplaneman ^talk 21:13, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strike that. I misclicked. Sorry, Airplaneman ^talk 21:13, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template policy discussion

You are invited to help consider a common template policy for all WP:SPORTS biography articles at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sports#Template_policy_discussion.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]