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Glad to see you here!
Was glad to see kharker show up in the history for Amateur radio - I've been enjoying your cartography in NCJ. And was really glad to see someone tackle radiosport/contesting. I think we should rename the Contesting article to Radio Contesting or maybe Contesting (Radiosport). --N5UWY/9 - plaws 21:24, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I did a little experimenting with the formatting of the end sections at the ARDF article. You may revert or alter it if there is something you don't like about it. I did it because all those end sections and sub-sections always bug me in articles. I just generally try to condense it. Anyways that is a really good article. I think it is ready for WP:FAC but that doesn't mean you should stop fine-tuning it. I say that not knowing anything about ARDF beyond what that article just told me. I raised some comments that could possibly help improve it even further. --maclean25 01:07, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey Kharker, I'm just letting you know that I've delisted Amateur Radio Direction Finding from peer review as it hasn't received a response for two weeks now. Hope to see it on WP:FAC soon.«LordViD» 16:41, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- Fine business. I'm still poking around for a good map image that meets acceptable use criteria and illustrates what an ARDF map is all about. I hope to have something soon, and then plan to submit it to WP:FAC.--Kharker 16:57, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
You asked for final comments for this article before a FAC run. I would just like to bring up two points that may come up. First, the article currently has a separate "References" and "Notes" section. However, both section contain references that were used to write the article. These need to be merged - consider Short-beaked Echidna#References for something similar. Secondly, the first four images are very similar. Some of these images do not bring anything new to the article that the last image did not already cover. If you decide to remove, change or alter an image consider the aesthetics of the article, so that the reader is drawn into the article and wants to read on about the subject, at several different screen resolutions and browser text sizes. --maclean25 07:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
- I've made the changes to the references and notes sections. As for the images, I agree that the first two might be similar to each other. The others each show something new and different. Collectively, they show a wide range of ages and nationalities involved in the sport. They show different kinds of equipment being used, and so forth. I'll think about it some, though.--Kharker 19:57, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
- I trimmed one photo and adjusted the photo captions somewhat. I'll see if I still like it over the next day or so.--Kharker 23:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
- The whole picture thing I mentioned above is a minor point that won't stop an FAC but I mentioned it because it is something that people notice (best you know before hand). I think it looks fine how it is, but someone will complain about all the images being right-justified. --maclean25 07:18, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Galv
Hey, thank you for fixing my flub! I had completely forgotten about that new toll road. I've been going to Galveston over the causeway for about a million years, and never even consider the newfangled one (well, and that I usually don't go down much past Jamaica Beach anyway). Have a good day! Katefan0 16:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Discussion regarding category
Hello. There is a discussion going on regarding a category you belong to, Amateur Radio Operator. It involves naming and categorization for this and some related categories. Your inputs would be valued. Thank you. --StuffOfInterest 01:39, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
We need your help regarding Amateur Radio
As StuffOfInterest said, please come by Category_talk:Amateur_Radio_Operator where we are discussing how to organize the identification of Amateur Radio Operators written about and who are users on Wikipedia. Steve Kd4ttc 03:11, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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- Corrected.--Kharker 19:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I've been tempted to prod te article myslef, but have held off for now. If you felt the need to do so, I would not veto it. If he does not win in Nov, I certainly plan on nominating said article. Cheers. youngamerican (talk) 16:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Haitian / Haïtian
Hey there, was just wondering about your addition of the diaeresis to the title of Haïtian Creole language. In general I support the usage of diacritical marks in foreign proper names, but this one seems a little incorrect to me. I've never seen the diaeresis used in the words 'Haitian' and 'Haiti' in English, and besides, it's present in the French word haïtien because the a and ï are meant to be pronounced as two distinct vowels. In English, however, the ai in Haitian is actually pronounced as one diphthong. Additionally, if you search 'Haïtian' in the English language Google search engine, all of the results on the first several pages omit the diaeresis. Perhaps you could share your reasoning for this change on the talk page? Thanks! :: Salvo (talk) 20:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- I reverted your changes on 2004 Haiti rebellion. The style on the English Wikipedia is that we use the name most common in English, which is "Haiti." "Haïti" is a French name, and is much more appropriate for the French Wikipedia. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 17:46, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
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Harkers Canyon (Tooele County, Utah)
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Silent Key
Hi Kharker, absent of any attempts to source the article or establish the content as significant, I've redirected it to the parent. Please source the material and establish the notability of the term if you wish to restore or merge the content. From what I can gather this is effectively a form of radio slang, and therefore should be held to the same standards as spoken slang, i.e. existence or acceptance among a small group does not necessarily qualify it as suitable for Wikipedia. If there are reliable sources which show the term is notable, widely used etc., I'm all for it. Deiz talk 15:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
GA Review
I have reviewed Dartmouth College Greek organizations that you nominated for GA status and have placed the article on hold so that changes may be made to bring the article up to GA status. You may view the comments on the article's talk page. Cheers, CP 18:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Did you know
--Allen3 talk 16:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
WikiProject
PlumpJack Winery
--GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 19:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Your work on California wineries
Wow, you're doing a lot of good work, and very fast too. The PlumpJack Winery article is one of the best fully-formed new articles I've seen. Keep it up! Wikidemo 19:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Great work
I thought you certainly deserve this.
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For all your excellent work with the California and Texas wine articles. AgneCheese/Wine 21:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC) |
Thanks again! AgneCheese/Wine 21:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oh also as a PS. When you get wine related DYK, feel free to add them to our list on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wine/right panel which shows up on the front page of WP:WINE. I added the two I noticed mentioned above. Once again, thanks for the great work in helping to improve Wikipedia's wine coverage :) AgneCheese/Wine 21:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Contesting edit war
re:Contesting
There are in fact two individuals involved but not sure I want to identify them here although did email JurgenG with the facts. One has a fixed IP from home and has also posted from his office computer. The other as you say is from a dynamic BTinternet address. Personal email me and I will fill in the facts. They are both strongly anti-contest. Dsergeant (talk) 15:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
DYK
--Royalbroil 03:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Wiki-Winos invitation
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barnstar
As a newpage patroller I couldn't help but notice all the great articles that you send through.
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For your great articles on American Viticultural Areas brewcrewer (yada, yada) 16:11, 25 January 2008 (UTC) |
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Something shiny
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You are hereby granted this shiny object for all your hard work at WikiProject Oregon! Thanks for all your great work on the Oregon AVA articles! Katr67 (talk) 21:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC) |
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South African Radio League article
Thank you very much for your contribution to the improvement of the article. Roger (talk) 16:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
category creation
Hi there - you created an article called Unassessed amateur radio articles when I think you meant to create Category:Unassessed amateur radio articles, so I've fixed this for you. Regards, BencherliteTalk 22:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
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Quilceda Creek Vintners DYK nom
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It made it! BencherliteTalk 00:25, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I hereby bestow...
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This (inaugural!) RF Barnstar is for recognition of your contributions to articles pertaining to radio phenomena, technology, and culture, and to amateur radio in particular. 73! —Ninly (talk) 02:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC) |
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No content in Category:Non-article Amateur radio pages
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No spam
I feel a little shocked by your undoing my contrib as 'spam' on the Paso Robles AVA article. I put a link to Vinismo on the Paso Robles AVA article because it contains more information on the topic. Putting a link to a page containing different or less exhaustive information could be considered as abusive external linking but I don't think that was the case here. Nikolai35 (talk) 19:13, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
- Am I worthy of a reply, Sir? Nikolai35 (talk) 00:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
- Hey I'm a user of vinismo.com and i concur its not spam, but a pretty well done wine wiki --Katerg (talk) 09:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
- I have responded to Nikolai35. The link in question falls into the category of links to avoid in the Wikipedia guidelines on external links.--Kharker (talk) 19:15, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
- Hey I'm a user of vinismo.com and i concur its not spam, but a pretty well done wine wiki --Katerg (talk) 09:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I have been reviewing Amateur radio direction finding and almost all the links to the reference citations are dead. Do you have published book sources that you can substitute? Or are they other sources on the web? Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 23:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of RAm (band)
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Proposed deletion of Ram (band)
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