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The Euro Information Website Forum

Here is the link: http://www.ibiblio.org/theeuro/InformationWebsite.htm?http://www.ibiblio.org/theeuro/forum/ ... you might want to join, and I am sure I can request to promote you to Moderator, if you interested. This is a new forum, just a few days life, based on the site that I am sure you know. I bet my bonus, that the information being provided by some of the other moderators is very useful for you. Take a look, subscribe if you want and let me know what you think about moderator-ship.

Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 01:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

PS. Looking at that swappers forum now ...

Thanks Miguel for the info, I have set up an account with the forum (no posts yet), I have much fate in the success of this forum, I think The€ has done well to set up this forum as his website is very popular, I look forward to using it.Kevin hipwell (talk) 02:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Miguel, I am not hugely enthusiastic about a moderator position however where I to choose a forum it would certainly be this one, if a position is open and there are no objections then I will fill it and see how things go.Kevin hipwell (talk) 02:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I also have a lot of fate into it, the information about circulating coins is coming right from the source, so who's better? About moderating, the main advantage is that there is a section for moderators which so far is about bugs of the forum, but very good information had surface out of it, like this site for example: http://www.euro-master.eu/Mainpage/Mainpage-e.htm Miguel.mateo (talk) 02:47, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

yes thats a very good website, I contacted euro-master regarding using his images for a euro coin BU sets article but he never got back to me.Kevin hipwell (talk) 02:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

On that topic, I have a lead that I am following. It seems to be, although I am confirming, that images of current coins and bills (images like an scan, not pictures) they are copyright free since they are legal tender on the issuing country, and as such the govermnet does not give copyrights to the artists creating the design. If this turn to be true, we have a big break in our goal, since we no longer need permissions or fair-use rationales to use the images. I will keep you posted.

But the previous site can at least be used toi check from completenes, do we have listed all coins of France for example? That could be very good information to finish the summary tables. Miguel.mateo (talk) 03:11, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Market value gone from the Ireland article

Hi Kelvin,

What happen that you decided to remove "Market value"? We agreed long time ago that this information will be very useful, we just needed to find it and fill it.

Thanks, Miguel

Yes sorry, its just temporary, the info for where the coins are minted was available and there where currently no market values on the Ireland article, I have been trying to think of a way to include the mints any suggestions? Kevin hipwell (talk) 03:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

on another note, I've been adding Mintage Quantities to the standard euro articles eg. Austrian euro coins, was hoping for a second opinion (especially on the Germany Euro article German euro coins Kevin hipwell (talk) 03:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I am catching up now, as you see I just read the changes you did to the Irish article yesterday. I will comment in your proposal and I think it is very valid information and quite useful. Apologies but I have been caught by work and trying to put the image license issue to rest; I've done minor edits recently. Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 03:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I have seen your work on the Images GJ, I was wondering if Euro-Master is also allowing the images from the sets and the mintage quantities for wikipedia.Kevin hipwell (talk) 03:56, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I think so, he is explicitely say that he does not mind his images being used at all by Wikipedia and anyone that downloads them from Wikipedia. As far as we reference his site, it is fine. He will be sending me the originals via e-mail since downloading the images from his site is a bit of trouble. Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 07:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

A discussion that might be of interest

here Miguel.mateo (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Change in the layout ...

Hi Kevin,

You have mentioned this in the past and today it caought my attention again. What is the information you want to add? Can you put some samples to have an idea of the length of the info? Then let's discuss the layout change and as you know I think I can help to do that "sort of" automatically to all the pages.

Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 06:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

The adding of the place of mint for each coin (as done on the Ireland G&S article), However I don't want market value to be lost so it will require a cell of its own, I'm just wondering what would be the best way to fit it in, I haven't thought of any new layout yet (I'm hoping for one with least impact on the current design) so was hoping for opinions. -Kevin hipwell (talk) 11:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Kevin, do you have a couple of samples of what the Mint values will be? I just want to know the potential length of this new cell. I will figure out some thing and will share it with you as long as I know that information. Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 13:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what the potential length will be.

I have been messing around with .the table, tell me what you think of this one.

Original:

	Topic: European Union Accession		Designer: Thomas Emmet Mullins & Paul Regan
	Value: €10	Alloy: Ag 925	Quantity: 50,000	Quality: Proof
	Issued: 08.04.2004	Diameter: 38.61mm	Weight: 28.28g	Mint: -
The obverse depicts the Irish harp surrounded by the names of the ten accession countries in their own official languages The reverse design features a swan nesting ten eggs representing the EU welcoming ten new countries into the fold

New Design:

	Topic: European Union Accession
	Designer: Thomas Emmet Mullins & Paul Regan
	Value: €10	Alloy: Ag 925	Quantity: 50,000	Quality: Proof
	Issued: 08.04.2004	Diameter: 38.61mm	Weight: 28.28g	Market Value: €€€€
	Mint: Just in case the name of the mint is long
The obverse depicts the Irish harp surrounded by the names of the ten accession countries in their own official languages The reverse design features a swan nesting ten eggs representing the EU welcoming ten new countries into the fold

Still not sure bout it though.Kevin hipwell (talk) 20:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Kevin,

I think is important to consider that 'topic' is usually long and very important to be seen easily (I have had comments about a coin that it is obvious that people did not read the topic section and went straight to the description, things like "why is Bethooven not wikilinked in the description?", when it is obvious is wikilinked in the topic). Based on that I would suggest this one:

	Topic: European Union Accession
	Designer: Thomas Emmet Mullins & Paul Regan		Mint: Just in case the name of the mint is long
	Value: €10	Alloy: Ag 925	Quantity: 50,000	Quality: Proof
	Issued: 08.04.2004	Diameter: 38.61mm	Weight: 28.28g	Market Value: €€€€
The obverse depicts the Irish harp surrounded by the names of the ten accession countries in their own official languages The reverse design features a swan nesting ten eggs representing the EU welcoming ten new countries into the fold

What do you think? The mint house and the designers together looks like a nice touch and then we do not need that many lines to represent the old information plus the mint. Miguel.mateo (talk) 02:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Although they may have skipped the topic there is a rule on wikilinking titles (I don't think the rule applied to these types of headings but it does look better when the links are in the description IMO).

I do think your design is better and easier to work with, what do you think of highlighting the Topic like this:

	European Union Accession
	Designer: Thomas Emmet Mullins & Paul Regan		Mint: Just in case the name of the mint is long
	Value: €10	Alloy: Ag 925	Quantity: 50,000	Quality: Proof
	Issued: 08.04.2004	Diameter: 38.61mm	Weight: 28.28g	Market Value: €€€€
The obverse depicts the Irish harp surrounded by the names of the ten accession countries in their own official languages The reverse design features a swan nesting ten eggs representing the EU welcoming ten new countries into the fold

note: removing the word "Topic" was not a mistake.Kevin hipwell (talk) 03:18, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely love it, want to do a test in a real article to see how it looks? Miguel.mateo (talk) 03:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Since the Ireland article recently lost its Market Value info I'll try it out on that one.Kevin hipwell (talk) 03:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Made the changes, let me know what you think. Kevin hipwell (talk) 03:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I definitely like it, will try the Belgian article in a few minutes which is complete and it is not too big either. Do you the mint house for Belgium? It should be the Royal Belgian Mint for all the coins I think. Miguel.mateo (talk) 04:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Royal Belgian Mint is the correct name, although I have no reason to think the coins are minted elsewhere I have not yet found anything explicitly stating that the Royal Belgian Mint minted all the coins. Kevin hipwell (talk) 04:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I just changed teh first section of Belgium, what do you think? Shall I proceed? Miguel.mateo (talk) 05:18, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

You two are fantastic. Your efforts will be rewarded with approval, I am sure. I just happenned to be in Belgium, miguel, as you were working on the coins I was working on my favorite..."steek mit frietten"... Best of Luck... Your hard work and attention to detail will be a standard for other editors to strive for.--Buster7 (talk) 05:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Miguel, I noticed you are changing each entry individually?, you would be better off using word processor or the similar for the "replace" function.

Cheers Buster, hope your having fun in Belgium.

yes it looks much better. Kevin hipwell (talk) 05:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Done already. Kevin, I was just doing a test with that section since the Belgium article has longer information (the convert template for example) I wanted to see first how it looks. But since it did look nice, I went ahead and changed the whole article.

PS 2. Dude, ain't you gonna sleep? You have another private msg in the euro information fourm ;)

Sorry I missed to bold the topic cell, I missed the ! charatcer for a | one, thanks for checking that. Miguel.mateo (talk) 07:23, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

BELGIUM 50th anniversary of the catastrophe Bois du Cazier at Marcinelle coin version

Hi Kevin,

You surprise me with this change. Are you sure we have two coins one in silver only and the other one in silver and cupper? Please show me the sources, I do not know how I missed that when checking Belgium.

Thanks, Miguel

The source is the euro master website. Kevin hipwell (talk) 04:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

here is another source. Kevin hipwell (talk) 04:11, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

for good measure here is a website selling the silver one and here selling the silver with copper one.Kevin hipwell (talk) 04:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow, we learn something new every day ;) Miguel.mateo (talk) 06:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I haven't yet changed the summary. Kevin hipwell (talk) 06:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

True, I forgot, will do that now in the Belgian article and in the main article ... men, it will be seriously tough to collect French coins! Miguel.mateo (talk) 06:48, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

One tiny confirmation, would you count that as silver or as others (considering it has cupper on it) I would like to put it in others for the sake that Belgium does not mint "others", but we could say that as long as any other metal is used, then is "Others" ... what do you think?

We will have the same problem for coins that are made of silver and gold ... Miguel.mateo (talk) 06:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I would consider it a Silver coin, I don't see benefit from moving the coin to an "others" section, Also you have explained in the prose that these articles mainly in gold and silver, although other precious metals are also used in rare occasions . Kevin hipwell (talk) 07:01, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Silver will it be then ;) Updating now ... Miguel.mateo (talk) 07:03, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

You where referring to the Summary no wonder I was confused, even so I think the coin is a Silver coin Kevin hipwell (talk) 07:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

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The Euro Information Website Forum

Market value gone from the Ireland article

A discussion that might be of interest

Change in the layout ...

BELGIUM 50th anniversary of the catastrophe Bois du Cazier at Marcinelle coin version