User talk:Kedoo MKT

Appeal

@Hey man im josh: Hello Josh, Nice to be acquainted with you. I would like to appeal both the deletion of Draft:Kedoo Entertainment and the blocking of my account.

Regarding the deletion of Draft:Kedoo Entertainment

It does not fall under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page was not unambiguous advertising nor a promotion of a company.

The page is fundamentally written to provide information about the company and its structure for public interest. Examples of pages with the exact same nature include Animaccord, Blue Ant Media, Cake Entertainment, Moonbug Entertainment and WildBrain, etc.

The draft follows Wikipedia's policies and guidelines and can be revised if you believe it was not up to the encyclopaedic standard after reviewing it against similar pages. However, the page should not be deleted. Please clarify the reason for deletion if you insist the deletion.

I would also like to point out that I would be happy to request the article to be created by someone else, but Requested articles has been inactive. I was prompted by the page to write one myself. I also have disclosed that I was close to the said subject when I started the draft.

Regarding the blocking of my account

Again, I would like to clarify that Draft:Kedoo Entertainment was not advertising or promotion. It was intended to provide knowledge of a company and its work, like many other company pages in Wikipedia.

I would however agree that the username gives an impression that the account represents a business.

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Speedy deletion of Draft:Kedoo Entertainment

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The page Draft:Kedoo Entertainment has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seemed to be unambiguous advertising which only promoted a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to have been fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

Please do not recreate the material without addressing these concerns, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If you think this page should not have been deleted for this reason, or you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:26, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 2024

Your account has been indefinitely blocked from editing because it has been used for advertising or promotion, which is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Also, your username gives the impression that the account represents a business, organisation, group, or web site, which is against the username policy.

If you intend to make useful contributions instead of promoting your business or organization, you may request unblock and a username change. In your reasons, you must follow all these steps:

Disclose any compensation you may receive for your contributions in accordance with the paid-contribution disclosure requirement; and
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This user's request to be unblocked to request a change in username has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without a good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Kedoo MKT (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Requested username:

Kedoo JC (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Request reason:

I would therefore like to request unblock and an username change to avoid confusion:

I have not so far and will never receive any compensation for my contributions in Wikipedia. I understand that I was blocked because my username gives an impression that the account represents a business and can imply shared use with the abbreviation of my role.

I would like to change my name to Kedoo JC, as it is noted that usernames are acceptable if they contain a company or group name but are clearly intended to denote an individual person as per username policy. JC is the initial of my full name.

Decline reason:

You say that you have not and will never receive any compensation. However, you also claim you personally created the logo, File:Kedoo Logo.png, and you personally own the copyright to it (though you have irrevocably released it freely for anyone, even your competitors, to use). That makes it likely you are an employee or perhaps a founder of Kedoo, meaning you are indeed a paid editor; see WP:PAID and WP:COI. You also don't tell us what you'd like to write about instead, if unblocked. Yamla (talk) 11:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Yamla:, thank you for suggesting the extra readings which I have missed.

I can confirm I'm a paid employee of Kedoo. I apologise for mistakenly mentioned I have not and will not receive any compensations for the contribution, because this is not part of my duties and I have not been and will not be paid extra by the company to create any of the pages. However, under WP:PAID and WP:COI, I'm happy to clarify that I'm a paid editor.

Please also share any guidance on how the copyright details of File:Kedoo Logo.png should be updated if needed.

Not sure why point 3 was not reflected in my initial request, I believe my original message had been slightly moved and amended and the text have been therefore lost somehow, I mentioned I intended to make contributions by creating pages and making edits about entertainment firms and franchises that include Kedoo Entertainment and some of its franchises e.g. Booba if I am unblocked.

Hope that is clear. Please let me know if there is any other issues or questions from your side at all. I'm more than willing to resolve it if possible. Kedoo MKT (talk) 11:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you again for looking into it, and I look forward to receiving your reply.

You aren't likely going to be unblocked to continue writing about Kedoo Entertainment and its franchises. If you wish to write about subjects for which you have no conflict of interest, please make a new unblock request and a different administrator will review it. As to the image, you have irrevocably released it under the Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal Public Domain Dedication, permanently waitinv all rights to the work worldwide. It's unclear to me what update you wish to make to that, but note that you are not blocked on commons.wikimedia.org so are free to change the license there. The current license would still apply but you are free to offer the image under a different free license, or request that the image be removed from commons.wikimedia.org (though this wouldn't change the fact that you released the image to the public domain). --Yamla (talk) 12:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Yamla, please excuse me for my ignorance. Why would I not be unblocked?

From my understanding according to WP:PAID and WP:COI, it's okay to edit any pages as long as I disclose paid contribution and conflict of interest and the page follows Wikipedia's policies and guidelines and is not promotional or advertising.

Am I not correct that pages will be reviewed and can be edited by other wikipedians? To that, I would also like the deletion of Draft:Kedoo Entertainment to be looked at.

Happy to also keep the image as it is then, since you or any other administrator does not have any issues with it. Kedoo MKT (talk) 12:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I simply don't believe you'd be able to write about Kedoo Entertainment without violating our policies. Other admins may disagree and you are free to try. Note that we aren't really interested in single-purpose accounts (WP:SPA), though, and if your only goal is to write about Kedoo Entertainment and its franchises, that makes you a single purpose account. --Yamla (talk) 13:54, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Yamla: I have tried, if you would be so kind to review the content of my draft that has been deleted. I believe strongly that the content provides factual information and is as unbiased as other similarly company pages that are now live as mentioned above. I'll be happy to have it revised by myself or any other users if you or any admin believes it is not up to the encyclopaedic standards.

Please also kindly note that this is not a single-purpose account. As mentioned, I intended to make contributions by creating pages and making edits about entertainment firms and franchises including Kedoo Entertainment, its franchises, but not limited to that. Hence it also includes other entertainment firms and franchises from other companies.

I apologise for being insistent, as justice is very important to everyone I reckon.

Why can companies discreetly or in plain sight hire paid editors to write pages about themselves, while individuals associated with a company are restricted from writing unpaid pages about their own organisations, even when the content provides fact-based information and does not advertise or promote the company in any ambiguous manner?

And why would you focus on individuals like myself (who can be given a benefit of doubt even if yourself don't trust I was being honest) than on the system and policy that are clearly flawed? So many companies and individuals (who can easily be lying about their relationships with associated articles) have been exploiting Wikipedia that you and other admins work so hard to maintain as simple profit making tools.

I welcome you to discuss and debate with your fellow admins. Please feel free to let me know if and whom I should tag. Happy to do that.

The discrepancy is utterly unfair and could lead to more biased and inaccurate information. The focus should be the quality of the content, rather than the author's affiliation. If an article meets Wikipedia standards for accuracy, verifiability and neutrality, it should be eligible for inclusion regardless of the author's relationship to the subject matter. I would also suggest you and other admins to review the complex policy Wikipedia has in place to eliminate the aforementioned loopholes. Kedoo MKT (talk) 17:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:YESPROMO. Nobody's being inconsistent here. Whenever undisclosed paid editing or promotion is discovered, actions are taken. You are free to contest your block and another admin will review your case. I'm afraid now you and I are just going around in circles so I won't respond further. --Yamla (talk) 17:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

{{help me}} @Hey man im josh I would love to get opinions from other admins. I have contested my block, but more importantly, I'd like to understand (1) what actions are taken to actively avoid undisclosed paid editing or promotion and (2) why disclosed paid editing is okay but editing from unpaid individual associated to the subject is not when paid editing can be as biased or more biased given that they're highly incentivised to complete the task. Kedoo MKT (talk) 17:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This user's request to be unblocked to request a change in username has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without a good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Kedoo MKT (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Requested username:

Kedoo JC (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Request reason:

I'm an employee of the company, but have not been and will not be paid extra for contributing on Wikipedia.
I understand that I was blocked because my username gives an impression that the account represents a business and can imply shared use with the abbreviation of my role.
I intended to contribute by creating pages and making edits to pages related to entertainment firms, franchises and other entertainment-related information. For full disclosure, that includes but is not limited to Kedoo Entertainment and its works, as well as other entertainment firms and their works.
I would like to change my name to Kedoo JC, as it is noted that usernames are acceptable if they contain a company or group name but are clearly intended to denote an individual person as per username policy. JC is the initial of my full name.
I would also like to point out what I believe is an unfair treatment to block an individual despite their attempt of a full disclosure of their affiliation to a company. Instead, companies and individuals paid to create and edit pages for others are available across the world online and not being properly tackled in the policy and system.

Decline reason:

This is a volunteer project, where people do what they can, when they can, based on their own personal interests. We don't have paid staff whose sole function is to detect and remove articles written by undisclosed paid editors. If you want to help us remove content written by undisclosed paid editors, or you want to propose changes to policy, you're welcome to do so once unblocked- but this isn't really relevant to your block. Your choice of new username would be acceptable(though I might suggest that "JC of Kedoo" would be better, but there's nothing wrong with your proposal). You are indeed a paid editor and will need to disclose that, paid editing does not require specific payment for edits or specific instructions to edit(otherwise every paid editor would deny being specifically paid to edit). As you are in the entertainment field, it's going to be difficult for you to edit about competitors and their works while complying with WP:COI. There may be some way you can do that, but you'll need to tell us what that is. I am declining your request. 331dot (talk) 18:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This user is asking that their block be reviewed:

Kedoo MKT (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

@331dot Thanks for getting back.

It just happens my personal interest is also my career. Lucky me I guess, not a lot of people can do that I know.

I'd love to start detecting content written by paid editors and proposing changes to the system and the policy too, that is if I'm ever unblocked. However, that's the least in my priority now. Having been talking to admins, I find my recognition in Wikipedia diminishing exponentially. Its policy and system are discouraging individuals who can be truthful and honest (I hope I come across as one at least) but encouraging others to exploit the website, turning this into a simple business. Isn't one way to promote impartiality is to encourage diverse representation, encourage participations and create an inclusive community? This is not any admins' faults, but loopholes of the system as I said.

That said, thank you for stating that my choice of username would be acceptable, happy to go with "JC of Kedoo" too, or drop my company name if that is needed. I did disclose that I was close the subject when I initially submitted the draft of Kedoo Entertainment (intended for saving a copy, not intended for reviewing and publishing even). I was only made aware that I should be considered a paid editor after, which was an honest mistake that I admitted immediately. For that, I thank Yamla. I'll also happily disclose myself accurately to the best of my understanding going forward if opportunity arises.

You're right, I'm in the entertainment field and it's difficult to edit anything about entertainment while complying with the conflict of interest. That said, I believe this also makes me more knowledgeable in the field, which I suppose the same goes for other users in Wikipedia that contributes based on their own personal interests. I also don't see why facts e.g. date of establishments, the name of the CEO and performance of certain shows needs much explanation when they are reference-based information that is publicly available.

However, may I also point out that if I'm just trying to set up pages for the company I work for as an employee, there are many ways I can go about it than to write such long supposedly thoughtful messages I have to the admin team. I do honestly think there are fundamental issues that should be investigated and resolved to make Wikipedia a better website. However, it's also fine if this is not appreciated.

That's all from my side. Thanks for looking into this, and would be grateful if the key messages of this reply was relayed to other admins. Kedoo MKT (talk) 19:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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:That said, thank you for stating that my choice of username would be acceptable, happy to go with "JC of Kedoo" too, or drop my company name if that is needed. I did disclose that I was close the subject when I initially submitted the draft of Kedoo Entertainment (intended for saving a copy, not intended for reviewing and publishing even). I was only made aware that I should be considered a paid editor after, which was an honest mistake that I admitted immediately. For that, I thank Yamla. I'll also happily disclose myself accurately to the best of my understanding going forward if opportunity arises.
:You're right, I'm in the entertainment field and it's difficult to edit anything about entertainment while complying with the conflict of interest. That said, I believe this also makes me more knowledgeable in the field, which I suppose the same goes for other users in Wikipedia that contributes based on their own personal interests. I also don't see why facts e.g. date of establishments, the name of the CEO and performance of certain shows needs much explanation when they are reference-based information that is publicly available.
:However, may I also point out that if I'm just trying to set up pages for the company I work for as an employee, there are many ways I can go about it than to write such long supposedly thoughtful messages I have to the admin team. I do honestly think there are fundamental issues that should be investigated and resolved to make Wikipedia a better website. However, it's also fine if this is not appreciated.
:That's all from my side. Thanks for looking into this, and would be grateful if the key messages of this reply was relayed to other admins. [[User:Kedoo MKT|Kedoo MKT]] ([[User talk:Kedoo MKT#top|talk]]) 19:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC) |3 = ~~~~}}

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:It just happens my personal interest is also my career. Lucky me I guess, not a lot of people can do that I know.
:I'd love to start detecting content written by paid editors and proposing changes to the system and the policy too, that is if I'm ever unblocked. However, that's the least in my priority now. Having been talking to admins, I find my recognition in Wikipedia diminishing exponentially. Its policy and system are discouraging individuals who can be truthful and honest (I hope I come across as one at least) but encouraging others to exploit the website, turning this into a simple business. Isn't one way to promote impartiality is to encourage diverse representation, encourage participations and create an inclusive community? This is not any admins' faults, but loopholes of the system as I said.
:That said, thank you for stating that my choice of username would be acceptable, happy to go with "JC of Kedoo" too, or drop my company name if that is needed. I did disclose that I was close the subject when I initially submitted the draft of Kedoo Entertainment (intended for saving a copy, not intended for reviewing and publishing even). I was only made aware that I should be considered a paid editor after, which was an honest mistake that I admitted immediately. For that, I thank Yamla. I'll also happily disclose myself accurately to the best of my understanding going forward if opportunity arises.
:You're right, I'm in the entertainment field and it's difficult to edit anything about entertainment while complying with the conflict of interest. That said, I believe this also makes me more knowledgeable in the field, which I suppose the same goes for other users in Wikipedia that contributes based on their own personal interests. I also don't see why facts e.g. date of establishments, the name of the CEO and performance of certain shows needs much explanation when they are reference-based information that is publicly available.
:However, may I also point out that if I'm just trying to set up pages for the company I work for as an employee, there are many ways I can go about it than to write such long supposedly thoughtful messages I have to the admin team. I do honestly think there are fundamental issues that should be investigated and resolved to make Wikipedia a better website. However, it's also fine if this is not appreciated.
:That's all from my side. Thanks for looking into this, and would be grateful if the key messages of this reply was relayed to other admins. [[User:Kedoo MKT|Kedoo MKT]] ([[User talk:Kedoo MKT#top|talk]]) 19:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC) |decline = {{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}

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:I'd love to start detecting content written by paid editors and proposing changes to the system and the policy too, that is if I'm ever unblocked. However, that's the least in my priority now. Having been talking to admins, I find my recognition in Wikipedia diminishing exponentially. Its policy and system are discouraging individuals who can be truthful and honest (I hope I come across as one at least) but encouraging others to exploit the website, turning this into a simple business. Isn't one way to promote impartiality is to encourage diverse representation, encourage participations and create an inclusive community? This is not any admins' faults, but loopholes of the system as I said.
:That said, thank you for stating that my choice of username would be acceptable, happy to go with "JC of Kedoo" too, or drop my company name if that is needed. I did disclose that I was close the subject when I initially submitted the draft of Kedoo Entertainment (intended for saving a copy, not intended for reviewing and publishing even). I was only made aware that I should be considered a paid editor after, which was an honest mistake that I admitted immediately. For that, I thank Yamla. I'll also happily disclose myself accurately to the best of my understanding going forward if opportunity arises.
:You're right, I'm in the entertainment field and it's difficult to edit anything about entertainment while complying with the conflict of interest. That said, I believe this also makes me more knowledgeable in the field, which I suppose the same goes for other users in Wikipedia that contributes based on their own personal interests. I also don't see why facts e.g. date of establishments, the name of the CEO and performance of certain shows needs much explanation when they are reference-based information that is publicly available.
:However, may I also point out that if I'm just trying to set up pages for the company I work for as an employee, there are many ways I can go about it than to write such long supposedly thoughtful messages I have to the admin team. I do honestly think there are fundamental issues that should be investigated and resolved to make Wikipedia a better website. However, it's also fine if this is not appreciated.
:That's all from my side. Thanks for looking into this, and would be grateful if the key messages of this reply was relayed to other admins. [[User:Kedoo MKT|Kedoo MKT]] ([[User talk:Kedoo MKT#top|talk]]) 19:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC) |accept = accept reason here ~~~~}}

I've formatted this as a new unblock request so a new admin will see it. 331dot (talk) 20:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, if you're interested in TV/entertainment broadly and want to edit in a personal capacity, I'd be fine with unblocking (I suggest you pick a name that doesn't have "Kedoo" in it, in that case). If all you want to do is make an article on Kedoo I think you might be stuck. I've looked at your draft and I agree that it isn't promotional in the sense that it's full of marketing language, which is encouraging. However, you are going to show that the company passes the guidelines we have for notability of companies (see WP:NCORP). If you think you can find sources that fulfil that standard, you're welcome to try, but you'll have to follow the guidelines at WP:COI for creating the article through Articles for Creation, and then only editing it using edit requests thereafter. Can you confirm that you understand the process for creating articles on topics you have a COI for? Do you have other topics beyond Kedoo that are within your conflict of interest? -- asilvering (talk) 19:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]