User talk:Kbdank71/Archives/2010

Loss of category: Jim Steinman Songs

Hello. I just started doing some research on songwriter Jim Steinman. When I searched on Google, two wiki pages came up in the listings, but one of them seems to have been deleted by you this past May. Specifcially, a page listing all of Jim Steinman's written songs. I couldn't find a specific reason for the deletion (and I admit the codes Wiki uses are baffling to me). Could you please explain, and if the page was originally written by you yourself, would you be willing to share the info you have privately? I'd find it most helpful, as I am working on a music project as a gift for a friend's birthday.

Thank you. If you like, you can reply to me directly via email (my address is registered here).

Saganth (talk) 17:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Try Category:Songs written by Jim Steinman, which is the re-named version of the page that you found on Google. Bencherlite^Talk 18:15, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Grover's disease

Why did you remove the images of the male chest showing the disease in the 3rd and 5th months?Tvbanfield (talk) 03:33, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

What? --Kbdank71 21:24, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

If you go to the History tab for Grover's disease and then go to the revision you made on 29 May 2009, you will see the change you called "replaced category chronic blistering skin conditions... etc.

then click on the "prev" version and you will see two photos of a male chest showing the disease in the 3rd and 5th months. If you click on "cur" you will see in red that you removed both of those images. I appreciate your efforts in cleaning up the article, but if you intended to remove the images, I ask why.Tvbanfield (talk) 17:45, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Please see [1]. All I did was rename a category. I didn't remove any images. --Kbdank71 02:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting me out. I must have mis-clicked when I was trying to review the edit history. Sorry to have bothered you. It seems there was some vandalism and that the images were removed in the Feb 2 revision by 209.183.55.82 and just today were restored by Vegaswikian.Tvbanfield (talk) 04:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure you wanted to do that?

JzG can be infuriating at times, but even I don't usually just revert him! [2] DuncanHill (talk) 12:40, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Holy crap, no, I didn't want to do that. I was surfing on my iphone, and my fat finger hit rollback instead of the page I wanted to go to. I immediately hit the correct link, but I guess the rollback went through. I'm surprised it was that fast (I mean, I'm not surprised... Wikipedia is _never_ slow...) Thanks for the heads up. I'll take more care in the future. --Kbdank71 14:15, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

No problem - I've done it myself when using a touchpad. Someone else cam along and fixed it, so no harm done. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 14:40, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Mentorship

I write to invite you to join others in becoming a co-mentor for me.

You may be unaware that the "Finding of facts" in the decision at Tang Dynasty explicitly encompasses a message on your talk page -- see User talk:Kbdank71#Construing an enemies list on your user page?

Your experience will help remedy a deficit in the composition of a small group. The nascent status of a mentorship committee is clarified in the currently active thread at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification/Tang Dynasty. Hopefully, this mentorship experiment will prove to be more effective and less burdensome than previous wiki-mentoring schemes.

This is a time for hortatory concepts. Do you know this one?

"I am only one, but I am one. I can not do everything, but I can do something.

I must not fail to do the something that I can do."

If Wikiquote:Helen Keller#Misattributed is to believed, then I am not alone in linking these words with Helen Keller. The salient question becomes this: Does precise attribution matter in the context of a teachable moment? No – not always, but often.

What can I say or do to convince you to agree tentatively?

Core policies are the tools at hand; and if you agree to help connect the dots, it could benefit more than me. In this search for a mentor deemed acceptable by ArbCom, I cite Wikipedia:Mentorship#Unintended consequences as a plausible context for discussing what I have in mind.

Your background causes me to share something already explained to another prospective mentor, "Among a prospective mentor's many burdens, the most difficult would involve (a) helping me discern why or when I should apologize or (b) helping me to explain why or when I will not apologize in a wiki-context" -- see diff. May I offer an on-topic writing sample? As you think about agreeing to join a mentorship committee, please review Patrick Lennox Tierney#Showa apology rebuffed.

Are you willing to look into this a bit further? I assume that time constraints will limit your participation; but perhaps you might consider making yourself available as a "non-public mentor", as an advisor to the co-mentors whose questions are likely to be different than mine?

If you please, contact me by e-mail or on my talk page. --Tenmei (talk) 19:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. --Kbdank71 20:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your time and consideration. As a gesture of appreciation, may I share a rhetorical question from the Analects of Confucius: "Is it not pleasant to learn with a constant perseverance and application?" --Tenmei (talk) 20:22, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Happy fifth anniversary

Happy fifth anniversary :) Well, of your first edit anyways. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Amazing how fast time flies. Thanks for the reminder! --Kbdank71 17:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

review

can you please review this closurer, that category is being accessed 400~600 times per month and complies with the definition of a category according to WP:Category Categories should be useful for readers to find and navigate sets of related articles. They should be the categories under which readers would most likely look if they were not sure of where to find an article on a given subject and it also fails the negative WP:OC#Trivia If something could be easily left out of a biography, it is likely not a defining characteristic.. No bio article would pass WP:FAC or even WP:GAC if the date was known and left out os its an important characteristic. Gnangarra 22:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I reviewed the close based upon your comments here, and I still believe consensus was in favor of deletion. --Kbdank71 04:18, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Deletion review for Category:People born on February 29

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Category:People born on February 29. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Gnangarra 01:50, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi

So, I see your user and talk pages pop up on my watchlist, and the edits are from, of all people, you. How's life been treating you? --Kbdank71 14:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Not too badly : )

And I just thought I should archive since it's already March lol

How are things going for you? - jc37 04:31, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Category:Current spaceflights

Following up on our discussion last year, I decided not to initiate deletion review at the time due to discussions surrounding the more general use of such categories. Since then, it has become apparent to me that the deletion of this category has made the situation worse with regards to the categorisation of such articles. I am also still unconvinced by your interpretation of consensus within the debate. I therefore ask you to reconsider whether restoring the category would be a good idea. --GW… 10:25, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

People who married their cousins

I wanna make a new category for this, and it says you deleted a page with the name "People who married their cousins". Why did you delete it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BuckwikiPDa535 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Please comment

Please comment here. MisterE2123Five3 (talk) 07:16, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Why delete USB-bootable_Linux_distributions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:USB-bootable_Linux_distributions

Did this information get merged into the Linux entry as a subchapter? I'm too lazy to read it all to find out.

I wanted this information though. I can't help but be curious as to why you deleted the entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickddonnelly (talk • contribs) 00:43, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm too lazy to explain it, so here you go. --Kbdank71 15:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Clint Eastwood

Early life and work of Clint Eastwood, Clint Eastwood in the 1960s, Clint Eastwood in the 1970s, Clint Eastwood filmography, Clint Eastwood in popular culture. You lied when you claimed that Category:Clint Eastwood would be empty with only films directed by Clint Eastwood. How else do we connect these articles? Early life and career of Barack Obama is categorised sensibly as Category:Barack Obama. Early life of Rabindranath Tagore similar is categorised as Category:Rabindranath Tagore. Now why is Clint Eastwood not enough of a being to have a category when multiple articles exist. It makes perfect sense to me to categorise it as Clint Eastwood rather than "Living people". Another clumsy deletion. If it were that the category was empty other than films directed by, then it would be redundant. But the category is intended to connect together the sub articles on him which were split from the main article. This is what categories are for. No I wouldn't normally recommend we have categories for people but when there is enough articles to constitute a category and in this case makes sense I don't see why he shouldn't have a category. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:57, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll be honest, I stopped reading that when I got to "you lied", and then I realized it is merely copied from someone else's talk page. Is there something you need from me, something that you can phrase in a brief question? --Kbdank71 13:34, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

This was phrased a bit inarticulately and was somewhat lacking in good faith from the get-go—what with the assumption that I lied—but I believe the user is saying that the circumstances have changed since Category:Clint Eastwood was deleted, and is perhaps asking if it could be re-created. Back in April, I received a note from User:Occuli user asking me to delete the category as re-created material, but if the good Dr. is willing to endorse my summary of what he is getting at (as well as suspend his disbelief that (1) I did not lie and (2) I'm not a sock of a banned user), then I would be happy to say I'd have no objection to its re-creation (though I can't speak for Occuli, of course). Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:19, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

You're a sock of a banned user???!!! OMFG! No. WAY!!! Oh, never mind, it's too early in the morning to deal with the nonsense from the Church of the YM.

Bottom line is this: It was a unanimous CFD with a good number (for CFD) of contributors, so I don't feel comfortable overturning it on my own. That said, enough time has passed to see if consensus has changed. I'd have no problem putting it to a new CFD (D being for discussion). --Kbdank71 13:22, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Way. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Hold on to your butt

• [3] Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you meant I should be holding it because of my snarky comments over at drv regarding our friendly Aussies. You are correct, though; I should hear the explosion all the way over here. Of course, now I'm curious; I may wander over to see what's up. --Kbdank71 01:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Category:Isometric video games

Why did you delete this category? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.196.29.66 (talk) 22:42, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I didn't. It was renamed. --Kbdank71 20:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi

Not going to jinx things by saying I'm back... but I seem to be somewhat around.

Just thought I'd see how you (and other page watchers) are doing : ) - jc37 22:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Ho

Ly

Crap.

Funny, I'm not somewhat around. Daily lurking, but for various reasons (on and off wiki) I haven't had the desire to edit. Other than here, home and work are well. I should fill you in more via email. I'll write tomorrow. Good to see you back. --Kbdank71 00:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Holy crap to both of these! Syrthiss (talk) 11:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Wikipedia images available as SVG

Category:Wikipedia images available as SVG, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:10, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Notification

Please see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment#Request_to_amend_prior_case:_Koavf. This request was initiated by Koavf, but as far as his contributions show, he didn't notify any user...so I'm notifying you because you participated in the discussion that led to the community sanction. Cheers, Ncmvocalist (talk) 21:20, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Category:State Terrorism and Category:Terrorism committed by country

Category:State Terrorism has been deleted twice, most recently by you. I just noticed that someone has created Category:Terrorism committed by country, effectively the same category. What's the appropriate course of action here? - TheMightyQuill (talk) 03:16, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

3 years is long enough to see if there is still consensus to keep it deleted, in my opinion. If you're so inclined, I'd nominate it at WP:CFD, making note that there were other terrorism category deletions (if I recall correctly, there was more than one discussion about it). Be warned, though, that it's bound to be a contentious CFD. --Kbdank71 14:44, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I think almost all of these related terrorism categories should be deleted, but I'll wait until someone else nominates it. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 19:25, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Category:Fictional characters debuts

There is a question (no real disagreement, though) at this CfD regarding whether CSD G4 applies to Category:Fictional characters debuts and its subcategories. Since you closed the original Ficitonal characters by year discussion, could you please weigh in on the matter? Thank you, -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 18:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh, one more thing ... Hi! It's been a while. :) -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 18:54, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi! It has been a while. I've been lurking, mostly. Hope all is well with you. --Kbdank71 19:37, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I've been alternating between periods of heavy editing and absolutely no editing ... so, a bit erratic. :) Overall, however, I'm well, and I hope the same is true for you. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 23:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Same with me, just without the heavy editing.  :) I have some problems that aren't making life peachy at the moment, but all I have to do is think of how my family is healthy, we're gainfully employed, and as far as I know, we're not in any danger of losing our house, so yeah, things are good. --Kbdank71 14:25, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that, I hope things are going better for you : ) - jc37 20:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Was surprised to see you closing a CfD day, came over here and saw the discussion. Welcome back and have a happy. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:15, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, you too. I was pretty surprised myself. I saw the backlog tag show up in my watchlist, and, well, here I am. --Kbdank71 17:25, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Camp Biscayne (resort)

I am not very savy about Wikipedia so I hope you can help me. A few years ago I created a site for Camp Biscayne (resort) which you have looked at. I just had a look and discovered that although the title is correct in the first section of the entry it called "Camp Botany" three times!

HELP - I don't know how to change it. I became curator of the Barnacle Historic State Park in January of 2004 and have spent a lot of time reading and re-reading Ralph Munroe's autobiography. The park has the origina sign for "Camp Biscayne" (I want a picture of it on the site but that is a project for another day).

If you could fix this to read "Camp Biscayne" instead of Botany I'd really appreciate it. I can edit the rest - I just cannot get to this section.

ALSO I don't know why it is considered an orphan as there are a lot of other articles linked to it - many of the guests have their own wiki pages, as do Ralph Munroe, and the park. As more guests are listed (I've been deep in some other projects for the last several months) there will be more links.

THANK YOU,

Susannah Worth —Preceding unsigned comment added by SusannahCurator (talk • contribs) 16:49, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Done. Just so you know, you can edit that part of the page by clicking "edit this page" up near the top. --Kbdank71 19:48, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I just love the drama over at ANI

especially when it spills over on to talk pages. Blocks, unblocks, threats of blocks, bad blocks, block-o-matic, go ahead block me, block, block, block.

Just wish I had some popcorn. :D --Kbdank71 20:09, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Wow, just read some more great stuff. What always amazes me, is no matter how poorly one acts toward others, no matter how much of a net negative someone may be, there will ALWAYS be a bunch of editors that come to that person's defense. --Kbdank71 20:55, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Where, where, where? Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 22:41, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

We do make exceptions for certain editors who contend that they are Good. :-) Vegaswikian (talk) 00:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

• User 1: Statement about the trolling of User 2.
• User 2: Take that back or I'm gonna report you.
• User 1: Go ahead.
• User 2: Are you going to take it back or not?
• User 1: No. You gonna report me?
• User 2: I'm not bluffing. But no, I guess not.
• Me: Ha ha ha ha ha. Pass the popcorn. --Kbdank71 21:52, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I need to modify my observation above. It's not true that a net negative will always have many defenders. Someone who does nothing but vandalism, for example, will get banned quickly, with no objections. But take someone who makes a lot of great additions to the encyclopedia. Someone who would otherwise be a net positive. That person can become a complete troll, can violate CIVIL, NPA, AGF, all day long, for years, and that person will have defenders-o-plenty. That person will have a lengthy block log, rightfully so, but will also have a lengthy unblock log to go along with it. Because these defenders think the additions to the encyclopedia far outweigh the dickish behavior. These people are wrong. Jimbo had it right when he warned about the mindset of "Yeah, he's a jerk but he does good work" [4] --Kbdank71 01:23, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Lists of U.S. locations with large ethnic populations

Hi. I saw that you closed the CfD for Category:Lists of U.S. locations with large ethnic populations as no consensus. While I agree that there was not consensus on the appropriate name for the category, I think there was consensus that it should be moved. I can't see that this outcome, which leaves the category with its present name, satisfies anyone who commented on the CfD. Do you have any suggestions for what should happen next? Cordless Larry (talk) 11:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

You are right, of course. The "no consensus" reflected the target name, not the outcome of the discussion. I have updated the close to show that. Usually when something like this happens I'll just choose what more people were leaning toward, but there really wasn't that option with this close. I would recommend relisting the category at CFD, noting that there is consensus to rename (link to the CFD I closed), and ask for consensus to choose a new title. --Kbdank71 01:13, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I've done as you suggested and renominated it. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:42, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

CfD of Underground rapid tranist by country

I guess I did not understand when the CfD instructions mention that it is OK to proceed with merging if 7 days have passed with no objections. I waited 7 days, and the only comment was concur. I do not want to be accussed of breaking the rules again, so would you please explain what exactly I did wrong and the difference between waiting the 7 days and waiting for closure? I really appreciate it! jsfouche ☽☾Talk 17:03, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

The main issue that I saw was that the discussion was still open. Many discussions stay open longer than 7 days for a variety of reasons, and editors are still allowed to voice their opinion. By emptying the category before closing the discussion, people don't know what they are supposed to be discussing. A secondary problem is that you made the changes even though you made the nomination. I don't think there is a hard and fast rule prohibiting this, but it gives the impression of a conflict of interest when it is done. There are many admins that close CFD's regularly; even when we're backlogged, it'll get taken care of eventually. Hope this helps. :) --Kbdank71 17:59, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. Lesson learned. :-) jsfouche ☽☾Talk 20:58, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

No hitters

• Re this one; specifically the no-hitters category. Just counting, I get 6 deletes, 2 straight keeps, 1 weak keep.
• Looking at the SOA ("strength-of-argument"—you like that? that's called "lingo") for the deletes: Alansohn said "keep both as defining characteristics of the players involved". VegaDark, the weak keep, said pitching a no-hitter was "less [defining than pitching a perfect game], but still defining enough to keep as a category, IMO". User:75.75.158.153 just said keep and insulted me, which obviously ups its value.
• "No consensus", yea or nay? Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:50, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
  • I did think the no hitters cat had a rough consensus when reading the discussion. Let me read it over again and I'll let you know. --Kbdank71 11:40, 22 December 2010 (UTC)