User talk:KathiWarriorDarbar

October 2024

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Thank you. ClueBot NG (talk) 13:53, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did at Kathi people, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. - Arjayay (talk) 14:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This article is certainly a bias and derogatory . All the facts are incorrect. The book which was used a reference is not a main reference book. I come from the same family and the article is baseless.

I have received many complaints from our community

Kindly help us to remove and rewrite. KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 14:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Kathi people, you may be blocked from editing. Frost 15:50, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary, as you did at Kathi people. Frost 15:52, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hi Frost,

The editor has just written hateful contents against my community and women.

You can see, the guy is deliberately providing wrong content KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 16:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for making legal threats or taking legal action.

You are not allowed to edit Wikipedia while the threats stand or the legal action is unresolved.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. RegentsPark (comment) 16:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hi Frost,

The editor has just written hateful contents against my community and women.

You can see, the guy is deliberately writing wrong contents KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 16:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly help.

Chariotrider555 user has deliberately edited the page yesterday

Many authors have written a number of books about history of Kathi people

He has slected the most hateful content and edited in the main article

Kindly help KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 03:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

KathiWarriorDarbar (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I have created the account yesterday only. I was not aware of the editing guidelines. ::: I have seen most derogatory content about my community and specifically about the women. There are many books have been written about our history. The editor (chariotrider555 and others ) has only selected specific parts of the book to deliberately target our community. I have tried to correct it but didn't know about the rules and guidelines. I have used a talk button to communicate with the Chariotrider555 but there was no reply. He deliberately added 2 more lines yesterday about our community and women. Kindly help to remove hateful content. I will be careful while editing. I never threatened legal action or anything. I was just giving an example of book writers publishing public apologies after realising their mistakes. Many of my community members strongly believe that the ' Kathi Peaople' page contents are extremely derogatory and some parts of the content should be removed (for example - yesterday the Chariotrider555 has added hateful content. This was my first time so I didn't know much about what to write and how to do the changes. I will be cautious and will contact the expert or admin for clarification thanks for your help. Any legal actions I have initiated related to Wikipedia are concluded. I will not pursue legal action in this matter ::: KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 10:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Despite agreeing to a topic ban, you state below, "I will use the valid source to edit the Kathi People page". I'm sorry, but we've gone over and over and over this. Either you are agreeing to a topic ban, in which case you won't be editing that page, or you aren't agreeing to a topic ban. You can't have it both ways. Frankly, I think I've wasted my time here and so I'm declining your unblock request. Yamla (talk) 12:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

You have two simultaneous open unblock requests. We'll only review one. Please remove whichever one you do not want reviewed. Note also that you made a clear legal threat and will need to directly address that. I suggest by withdrawing your legal threat with prejudice, meaning you commit to never using legal action on this matter. I also suggest you offer to abide by a WP:TOPICBAN around castes, but it's up to you. DO NOT make a third simultaneous unblock request. --Yamla (talk) 12:03, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yamla,

Thank you so much for your reply.

How can i remove the unblock request and edit the other one?

Thanks KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 12:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can edit this page using the Edit link at the top of the page, assuming you are using a desktop browser. As I don't use Wikipedia from a mobile device, I'm unable to tell you how to do so in that case. --Yamla (talk) 12:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

done KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 13:24, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You still need to do as Yamla asks above, and withdraw your threat of legal action with prejudice, committing to use Wikipedia processes to address your grievances instead of the courts of your country. We cannot stop you from using the courts according to the laws of your country if you so choose, but if you wish to do so, or even leave yourself that option, you will not be unblocked until you indicate that any and all legal actions you have initiated related to Wikipedia are concluded, or you commit to doing as you've been asked. 331dot (talk) 14:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have mentioned it. Kindly unblock me. Thanks KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 15:35, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see where you withdrew your threat of legal action. You mention above that you didn't think you made one, but you said "We have successfully challenged many book publishers through the high court and they have made public apology and removed the articles from their books"; it is difficult to see this as anything other than a threat of legal action- maybe you don't specifically threaten it, but by making that statment you were using the possibility of legal action as a cudgel to obtain the result you want. That is unacceptable. You will need to clearly and with prejudice state that you will not pursue legal action in this matter. As I said, if you wish to, or you even just wish to have the possibility to do so, you will not be unblocked. 331dot (talk) 15:47, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have mentioned it clearly. Thanks for your help KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 16:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RegentsPark Yamla Is this sufficient? 331dot (talk) 16:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would not unblock you without a voluntary WP:TOPICBAN around castes, broadly construed. So, if you want me to review your unblock request, that's how it's going to go. You are welcome to have another person review it, though. --Yamla (talk) 16:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot about that. I concur with Yamla, though I too would not stand in anyone's way. 331dot (talk) 16:36, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Yamla. I'd like to see constructive editing outside the caste domain if they're going to be a meaningful contributor. RegentsPark (comment) 17:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yamla, RegentsPark,331dot

Kindly clarify further about the Caste domain as i am not sure what it is and what i need to do?

Also i need your opinion about the editing particular article. (i.e. you can clearly see Chariotrider555 keep adding selective lines (on 16th and 17th Oct ) to the 'Kathi People' page using only one source. KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 09:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We want you to agree to a topic ban with regards to castes, broadly construed. This means that if the edit has anything at all to do with a caste or the caste system, no matter how small a connection, you can't make it. This would include editing about the Kathi people. 331dot (talk) 09:33, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with that as I strongly believe in equality. I just want to ask why Chariotrider555 is allowed to edit 'Kathi Peapole' page which is totally wrong,unacceptable and bias towards kathi people KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 12:05, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Other people's actions aren't your concern, and you should only be discussing your actions while seeking an unblock request. --Yamla (talk) 12:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

kindly help to resolve. I am new here and made few mistakes within a few minutes.

I am sure many people do that.

i am a writer myself and would like to write and contribute much about my favourite topics

Already written So much

Quick help will be appreciated KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 18:08, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) I don't find your agreement very convincing as you say you agree and then persist in arguing over another user. If another user is disruptive, that will eventually be addressed(though I would advise you to read WP:TRUTH). A topic ban will mean that you will need to completely abandon efforts to contribute about the Kathi people, including criticizing other editors who do so. If you don't want to give that up, okay, but it's unlikely you will be unblocked without doing so. We don't want you to agree to a topic ban because of equality, we want you to because you have demonstrated you cannot edit about that topic without being disruptive. 331dot (talk) 12:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply.

I will not be disruptive as it was my first editing experience. I did not know that i am not allow to change the content without taking with the editor.

I am learning day by day as I am completely new to this

I will use the valid source to edit the Kathi People page

Kindly help KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 12:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, if you agree to a topic ban, you will not contribute about the Kathi people at all(or anything to do with castes). If you don't wish to do that, you shouldn't agree to a topic ban, but then it is unlikely you will be unblocked. 331dot (talk) 12:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your time and effort

I made a mistake in editing as it was my first day. I had no clue what i was doing. It was a genuine mistake.

Why I will be not allow to edit That particular page?

you can clearly see the wrong information has been posted on that page by unknown editor who is bias towards our community. I will contact the editor and will explain the truth through the talk page.

I am still struggling to understand

I am a writer and i have written many articles about the kathi people.

I am sure, we can find the better solution KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 12:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't deal in truth, as truth is in the eye of the beholder. It's up to readers to decide what is true to them. We deal in what can be verified, again, see WP:TRUTH. This is not the place to be a truth warrior or to right great wrongs. You are free to make a new unblock request to try to convince another administrator you should be unblocked without a topic ban, though that's unlikely. Again, you have demonstrated you cannot edit about that topic without being disruptive. 331dot (talk) 13:20, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have already mentioned about not creating any disruption.

Why you are applying topic ban when it's my favourite subject and know so much about it KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 18:10, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I would like to know in detail, Why i was blocked. I did write reasons as well when i made changes KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 18:44, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KathiWarriorDarbar, You were blocked for making legal threats in this post where you referred to a history of taking legal action that resulted in monetary costs on the defendants. This statement can be construed as threatening an editor ("you could be next" sort of thing) and that's not permissible on Wikipedia. Since, you've withdrawn that threat that's no longer an issue. The issue now is that, based on your actions before you were blocked, your comments here, and, perhaps, your choice of username, you appear to have only one purpose on Wikipedia - correcting what you think is not correct about the Kathi people article. Single purpose accounts (see WP:SPA) are frowned upon on Wikipedia particularly when they add information without citing sources or remove sourced content as you were doing. What we're asking you to do is to edit in areas that are not related to social groups in India for a bit, demonstrate that you have the hang of using sources appropriately and editing responsibly, and then return to the area of your main interest. RegentsPark (comment) 19:02, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would add that Wikipedia content is not based on personal knowledge. 331dot (talk) 19:09, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. Thank you for the brief answer.

kindly help me to unblock KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 10:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need to make a new unblock request for someone else to review. 331dot (talk) 13:10, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:GAB explains how to do so. However, to the next reviewing admin, I strongly suggest revoking talk page access. This is a clear case of WP:IDHT. --Yamla (talk) 13:14, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly disagree about WP:IDHT

I have written and done everything i have asked about

this is a clear case of violation of my free speech and freedom

You are trying to impose unnecessary restrictions just because I made few silly mistkes on my first day within a few minutes as i was not aware about the what are pros and cons.

I have already put everything in writing. I am sure, there is a simple and straightforward way to resolve the issue.

Kindly help and resolve the matter. I will appreciate it

To all the administrator : Please help. I am tired of this manipulative arguments and unnecessary restrictions KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 14:50, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have no freedom of speech here. See WP:FREESPEECH. If you want your block to be reviewed, you must make an unblock request. WP:GAB explains how to do so. --Yamla (talk) 15:10, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This user is asking that their block be reviewed:

KathiWarriorDarbar (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I have created the account yesterday only. I was not aware of the editing guidelines. ::: I have seen most derogatory content about my community and specifically about the women. There are many books have been written about our history. The editor (chariotrider555 and others ) has only selected specific parts of the book to deliberately target our community. I have tried to correct it but didn't know about the rules and guidelines. I have used a talk button to communicate with the Chariotrider555 but there was no reply. He deliberately added 2 more lines yesterday about our community and women. Kindly help to remove hateful content. I will be careful while editing. I never threatened legal action or anything. I was just giving an example of book writers publishing public apologies after realising their mistakes. Many of my community members strongly believe that the ' Kathi Peaople' page contents are extremely derogatory and some parts of the content should be removed (for example - yesterday the Chariotrider555 has added hateful content. This was my first time so I didn't know much about what to write and how to do the changes. I will be cautious and will contact the expert or admin for clarification thanks for your help. Any legal actions I have initiated related to Wikipedia are concluded. I will not pursue legal action in this matter. I realised my mistakes as I had no clue about how to edit the articles. Block is to harsh. Kindly help please KathiWarriorDarbar (talk) 13:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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