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Poles in Africa

I am not here to have a debate or anything I am just here to inform you that there are 30,000 Poles living in South Africa.[1] But since you said that they "never formed a significant community" then I guess its fine not to include them. AcidSnow (talk) 21:33, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

30,000 Polish expats or contract workers and their families. According to the European immigrant averages from K. Vaque's The Plot against South Africa, less than a third of the resident figure were actually born in Africa. 30,000 is an exceptionally small number when compared to the 8,000,000 South African nationals with direct or indirect European ancestry. Therefore, the article doesn't cover them. --Katangais (talk) 21:55, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I know that already since you already said they "never formed a significant community". I was here to inform why I edited the article. AcidSnow (talk) 22:07, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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March 2014

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NOTE: This edit doesn't make any sense, if at all, please note that the hoax you added has totally nothing to do with the OTO Melara gun as the Rooikat uses only the Denel GT4/GT7 (76mm/105mm) guns, which are not derived from the OTO Melara product. If you do this because you are ignorant, all's forgiven but if you had done this deliberately then you have to watch what you're editing next. Wikipedia will not tolerate rubbish input. Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 10:29, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dave,

I'm sorry to hear you had a problem with my revision. However, I work on articles concerning historical arms and armour of the South African National Defence Force on occasion and have compiled extensive sources concerning that field. In this case I can assure you that the edit in question is perfectly sound. According to my copy of Jane's Armour and Artillery, the GT-4 76mm gun on the Rooikat was first trialled on a Ratel prototype in the late '80s. While they were marketing this vehicle as a tech demonstrator, ARMSCOR claimed that this particular armament was derived directly from the OTO Melara type found on naval ships. The source also states that shells from the OTO Melara 76 can be fired from the GT-4:

"...or a new two-man turret armed with a 76mm gun which is a further development of the OTO Melara naval weapon of this calibre."

"The ammunition of the naval gun can also be fired [from the Rooikat] by replacing the percussion primer with an electric primer."

Quotes credited to Jane's respective entries on "AC-100 Amphibious Combat Vehicle", the Ratel variant referenced above, and the "Vickers OMC Rooikat 76 mm armoured car". Again, reference is Jane's Armour and Artillery (2000-2001) edition, by Christopher F. Foss, ISSN 0143-9952.

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--Katangais (talk) 17:00, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If it is to be added in the "See also" section, you must first write up on the ammunition (76×900mmR) in a new sub-section and provide the citation tag to back up your claim in reference to the Denel GT4 and not the Rooikat, which is already off tangent. You can't simply add in something and expect people to know immediately what you're referring to, right? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 18:00, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing to gloat about in your face but an Admin from Commons has reviewed that image and deleted it after much considerations. While we appreciate your good faith intention, I just want to tell you that it was a misdirected effort. Please listen to me intently as nothing personal was directed against you but the Wikipedia foundation cannot afford and refuses to be drawn into any lawsuit because of any individual editor's insistance that a copyrighted image can be reuse without the actual owner's permissions to do so. Hope you understand the foundations' difficulty. Peace, out. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 17:45, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

While I am certainly disappointed that "much considerations" was taken without notifying the uploader or affording him a chance to discuss the disputed image directly with an administrator, I do understand that no such action is ever personal. Hundreds, if not thousands of files are deleted from Commons each week barring lengthy debate. I continue to hold that your claim to have seen the image in Jane's is an anecdote, and not a proof in itself of a file's copyright status. Assuming you locate this publication at some point in the future, I would appreciate your notifying me with the relevant detail so I can better research the original photographer.

Thanks, --Katangais (talk) 19:57, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Actually no, the WP:ONUS is on you, not me. In fact, you have to understand that Wikipedia operates differently from you as a one-man-army, we are a community first and if you're harming the community project in any manner, then rest assure that you will be removed, eventually. That new image you jjust uploaded will be removed soon, not because I said so but because Google holds the copyright and you have to get in touch with someone with WP:OTRS to get google to assist to release it or else, that will go out the window whether you like it or not. Please, don't try to game the system, focus on the content instead of bickering with others on images with copyright issues/problems. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 21:11, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Believe me, I've tried going through the whole WP:OTRS process with interested Zimbabwean military veterans who actually possess images of the topic in question. In fact, the legal terminology - "please agree to submit this to OTRS in a formal cover letter, with record of your permission under Creative Commons license, etc" - scared them off and I've been ostracised as a scam artist on at least one veterans' contact site already. So that avenue is closed to me for the immediate future, no thanks to your kind and - since you insist on painting yourself as no more than a helpless cog in the larger Wikipedia community machine - the site's copyright paranoia at large.

I then attempted to research any photographs that may have been taken at public domain dates in South Africa, but the Eland Mk7 vehicle wasn't actually out of the assembly/remanufacturing stage in 1963. It was first released for trials with the South African Army in 1964, and wasn't viewed publicly until 1966 - when the first freely available public photographs outside of classified SANDF records may have been taken.

I did contact an independent photographer - a SA lecturer in England - last July with several images available, but he declined to give any notice to OTRS. I uploaded one of his Eland pictures based on the unofficial permission granted but with no legal context it was only a matter of time before he tired of my pestering and severed contacts. I then requested that the image be deleted accordingly, which it was.

Following weeks of futile searching for any image that may have been released into the public domain for the photographer, and later months, as I am still continuing to search - I uploaded the image you claimed appeared on Jane's. It's non-free, yes, but no free alternatives exist. If you can prove that a free alternative exists, please by all means replace it. But you can't. I've tried for going on two years now. It simply isn't possible. The fact that most of the vehicles still in South Africa's reserve inventory in 2008 have now been sold as scrap metal or are turning up in other, more authoritarian, African nations like Chad and Benin which forbid taking unauthorized photos of weapons in their existing inventory doesn't help matters.

In closing: you probably don't appreciate a word of what I just typed. It's blatantly obvious you care nothing for the year of exhausting correspondence, research, and pleading which I've undergone, all to get a picture on that one article. Gaming the system...harming the community project...you know what, mate? Stripped of the rhetoric, all that says is sticks and stones. I'm done caring. Let the "community project", not User:Dave1185, take whatever action is justified. I will ensure that an image is always available for reference on Eland Mk7 until that free alternative becomes available.

Thanks, --Katangais (talk) 23:12, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Read WP:TLDR. Seriously, you need to drop that confrontational attitude, we're all volunteer here so that doesn't mean that you should be lashing out on others when they're helping with the community project. PLEASE FOCUS ON THE CONTENT, we can do without images if none are available. Take note that some featured article pages has no images (yes, you heard it right... none at all!) to show to the world but the deligence and hardwork of the editors made their mark in the end. In the final analysis, you do have a choice to stop running into a brickwall should you chose to and nobody enjoys watching another person making the same mistake over and over again despite telling them repeatedly that it is all a big mistake, not unlike the cautions and warning you've been recieving above for the uploading of images with questionable copyright status. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 18:43, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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why

why do you have a problem that afrikaners are a white people? can that atleast be mentioned in the lede of the article 120.50.35.122 (talk) 19:55, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

not "europeans" white africans!

i think i said somthing wrong and i do not want it, this is not about "european" but about "white african" i dont think you have a problem too

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Sherman SSB picture

Hey Katangais, how are you? I'm sorry to bother you, but I just wanted to ask you if you know anything about the sourcing for this image. It's come up during the GA review for Southern Rhodesia in World War II. Hope you're well, and have a great week. Cheers — Cliftonian (talk) 18:10, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Always nice to hear from you, Cliftonian. Hope your GA review goes smoothly. If my memory serves me right, the image you referenced came from the AML Masondo Library in Saxonwald. I last saw it being displayed rather prominently in the portrait corridor adjoining the library to the Ditsong museum. As opposed to paintings, few of the photographs there carry an annotation about their copyright status/original author. Works are generally attributed to the SANDF Archive.

Hope this helps,

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South Kasai

Hi Katangais,

It's great to see someone with (as I assume from your name) an interest in Congolese history! I just wondered whether you might care to take a quick look at South Kasai which I've re-written. The sources on South Kasai are not at all good so any gaps are probably due to this rather than oversight, but I'd certainly appreciate any comments on it as it's up for GAN. All the best, —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:47, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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	It's very pleasing to see a properly-constructed article on a camouflage pattern. Keep it up! Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:57, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well done from me too! There's some more info in userspace here if you're interested. =) — Cliftonian (talk) 08:41, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Really appreciate the support! @Clif I was unaware that User:L1A1_FAL had already started working on a draft, but was able to locate most of his original sources. The information about MARPAT was especially interesting. Thanks for pointing that out. --Katangais (talk) 17:07, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Super. If you have some refs on the history of MARPAT, the article would greatly benefit from them. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:25, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]