User talk:Karlee.beavens/sandbox

Good start, not quite what I was expecting - assignment incomplete

Maybe I should have been clearer, but I was expecting each member of the group to contribute to every section. As it is, it looks like Laura did refs, Markelle did the outline, and Karlee made the to-do list. That's okay, because each section is good. You should all feel free to add to any of these sections. However, what you didn't do is have each member give a commitment to do specific tasks for the article.J.R. Council (talk) 22:04, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

• Also, Markelle, you should learn to make proper lists. I have corrected the outline with Wikipedia markup. Note that Wikipedia does numbered or bulleted lists, not letters. Type MOS:LIST in the search box for help. J.R. Council (talk) 22:10, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Need to get this page straightened out

Karlee - somehow you have given yourself the username, karlee.beavens/sandbox. This is not really your sandbox, it is your User talk page. I have asked one of the Wiki Ed editors to straighten this out. In the meantime, I will answer your group's questions here. J.R. Council (talk) 06:00, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

1. There wasn’t much in the talk page about the paper. I think this Wikipedia could use a picture of him, and lots more information. Such as what his greatest accomplishments were. 2. “ Kurt Goldstein” ling.fju.edu.tw. retrieved 27 February 2015 “Kurt Goldstein and Holism” gestaltpsychotherapie.de retrieved 26 february 2015

3. Dr. Council can we add pictures? Can we talk about his major accomplishments? Markelle.axtman (talk) 17:05, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

• Yes to both. I have posted instructions on how to add pictures in Blackboard/Wikipedia resources. Pictures have to be in the public domain. Try looking in Wikimedia Commons for starters. Yes - you should definitely discuss his major accomplishments, especially contributions to psychology. J.R. Council (talk) 06:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

One thing this article needs is pictures or graphics.

2 sources I found that aren't in this article are:

Ludwig, David. Language and human nature: Kurt Goldstein's neurolinguistic foundation of a holistic philosophy. Journal of the History of Behavioral Science. Vol 48(1), 2012, pp. 40-54.

Eling, Paul. Neurognostics Answer. Journal of the History of the Neurosciences. Vol 21(1), 2012, pp. 119-125.

2 questions/ comments I have for the professor are:

How many sections do you think we should try to have in this article? Can the biography section be split up into smaller sections, like childhood, years, etc.?

• Splitting an article into sections makes it a lot easier to follow, and automatically generates a table of contents. It's up to you how many sections to include - go with what makes the most sense. You can put subsections in the biography section. See the material on editing I've made available. J.R. Council (talk) 06:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Laura.a.anderson (talk) 01:49, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Problem or issue with article: There is no background information on Goldstein or his family. The little information that is there should be elaborated

Two references:

Pickren, W. E. (2003). Kurt Goldstein: Clinician and philosopher of human nature. In G. A. Kimble, M. Wertheimer, G. A. Kimble, M. Wertheimer (Eds.), Portraits of pioneers in psychology, Vol. V (pp. 127-140). Washington, DC, US; Mahwah, NJ, US: American Psychological Association

Goldstein, G. (1990). Contributions of Kurt Goldstein to neuropsychology. Clinical Neuropsychologist, 4(1), 3-17. doi: 10.1080/13854049008401492

Two Questions:

1. What would be an example of “too much” information about a person? Page lengthwise?

• You don't want to make this like an essay or term paper. It should be "encyclopedic." See the material I've made available to the class. Make it long enough to get the important information across.

2. Do you have any suggestions on what to mention that would be important, from what you know about him?

• The material in the textbook would be good for starters. Also, the article by Pickren in Portraits of pioneers would have the right information. J.R. Council (talk) 06:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Karlee.beavens (talk) 18:09, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

To-Do List

1. Add Pictures (Himself, family, school attended, instruments used, documents) 2. Add major accomplishments and contributions to Psychology 3. Add more to his biography, specifically family life 4. Add what the Gestalt therapy and his involvement/influence? 5. Add more to the introduction-more about his neurology background 6. Talk about how he used brain injured soldiers and applied the Gestalt concepts 7. Add work with self-actualization 8. Add about influence of Maslow, and interaction with other Psychologists Karlee.beavens (talk) 17:33, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Karlee.beavens (talk • contribs) 17:29, 6 March 2015 (UTC) 

Outline

Kurt Goldstein

1. Add to the Introduction-
   1. summary of his life- Laura
   2. summary of his job title/who he was- Markelle
2. Biography
   1. Where he was born and his family life- Karlee
   2. Where he got his education and what his education is- Laura
   3. His life in general. What he did outside of psychology.- Markelle
3. Major works
   1. The books he wrote and the literature- Karlee
   2. Pictures of his publishings- Laura
4. Contribution to Psychology
5. Interesting facts- Markelle
6. References
7. External Links

Markelle.axtman (talk) 17:59, 6 March 2015 (UTC) J.R. Council (talk) 22:12, 10 March 2015 (UTC) Karlee.beavens (talk) 00:42, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

References

1. “ Kurt Goldstein” ling.fju.edu.tw. retrieved 27 February 2015
2. “Kurt Goldstein and Holism” gestaltpsychotherapie.de retrieved 26 february 2015
3. Ludwig, David. Language and human nature: Kurt Goldstein's neurolinguistic foundation of a holistic philosophy. Journal of the History of Behavioral Science. Vol 48(1), 2012, pp. 40-54
4. Eling, Paul. Neurognostics Answer. Journal of the History of the Neurosciences. Vol 21(1), 2012, pp. 119-125
5. Pickren, W. E. (2003). Kurt Goldstein: Clinician and philosopher of human nature. In G. A. Kimble, M. Wertheimer, G. A. Kimble, M. Wertheimer (Eds.), Portraits of pioneers in psychology, Vol. V (pp. 127-140). Washington, DC, US; Mahwah, NJ, US: American Psychological Association
6. Goldstein, G. (1990). Contributions of Kurt Goldstein to neuropsychology. Clinical Neuropsychologist, 4(1), 3-17. doi: 10.1080/13854049008401492
7. Fancher, R.E. & Rutherford, A. (4th ed., 2012). Pioneers of Psychology. New York, W.W. Norton, pp. 182

Laura.a.anderson (talk) 20:24, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

You need to start working on this.

Laura, Markelle, and Karlee - this assignment is worth 25 points. It does require some effort, so you need to start working on it now. J.R. Council (talk) 22:48, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Edits for Assignment #7

Kurt Goldstein was mainly known for being a neurologist. He worked mainly with aphasia along the side of Carl Wernicke. Aphasia is a disorder that makes it hard to read, write, and speak. Goldstein attended the Frankfurt Neurological Institute, where he practiced comparitive neurology in the lab under Ludwig Edinger. In 1906 Kurt Goldstein started working in psychiatry and neurology, becoming acquainted with the Wurzburg school of experimental psychology. In 1930 Goldstein became the director of a neuropsychiatric clinic and a professor at the university in the department of Neurology and Psychiatry in Berlin. At the age of 56 Goldstein started a new career in New York at the New York Psychiatric Institute and the Montefiori Hospital. Markelle.axtman (talk) 01:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)Markelle Axtman

• You need to back up the statement about Goldstein working with Wernike. Wernike died in 1905. Goldstein would have only been in his 20s at that time. J.R. Council (talk) 22:08, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Kurt Goldstein was denounced to the Nazis by an assistant and charged with leftist sympathis and jewishness. He met his wife Eva Rothmann at the age of 56. Markelle.axtman (talk) 01:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)Markelle Axtman

Something interesting about Kurt Goldstein was that when he passed away he left over 200 publications, most in German and English and they spanned across six decades. some of his work included things like the relationship between circumscribed cortical injuries and sensory and motor defects, problems of perceptual disturbances and agnosia, cerebellar function and its relation to tonus, and so much more. Markelle.axtman (talk) 01:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)Markelle Axtman Karlee.beavens (talk) 02:06, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Some topics that Goldstein explored included the following: motor disturbances, sensory disturbances, the nature of hallucinations, alcoholism, manic-depressive states and schizophrenia. Karlee.beavens (talk) 02:27, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Goldstein died on September 19, 1965. An interesting fact is that Goldstein was Jewish, and when Hitler started taking over, Goldstein was in jail for a short amount of time and then after that forced to leave the country. Another interesting fact is that he came form a relatively large family. He was the seventh out of nine children. Karlee.beavens (talk) 02:40, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Goldstein discovered that the brain could compensate for damaged areas by having different neurons take over to make it "whole" again, although the damaged areas usually didn't work as well.

He also was an editor for the journal Psychologische Forschung (Psychological Research), which was a journal about Gestalt psychology.

Goldstein got his Medical Doctor (MD) from Breslau in 1903.

Carl Wernicke and Ludwig Edinger were very important teachers for Goldstein. He studied aphasia under Wernicke, and neurology under Edinger. Edinger also inspired him to work with brain- injured soldiers. Laura.a.anderson (talk) 04:56, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Most of Assn. 7 should be on Sandbox page, not Talk

1. I will give you credit for edits to the sandbox. For assignment 8, be sure to move this to the Sandbox. J.R. Council (talk) 22:05, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
2. You've done a good job of getting some content written down. Now you need to get it organized and fill in the gaps. Remember to work from your outline. J.R. Council (talk) 22:14, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
3. I just noticed that most of this assignment was done after the due date. Please get your work done on time in the future. J.R. Council (talk) 02:23, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Additions for Sandbox: Assignment 8

Laura.a.anderson (talk) 17:33, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Goldstein was supported by what was called the Rockefeller Foundation while he spent a year in Amsterdam after being forced to leave Germany by the Nazis. This was when he wrote his famous book, The Organism.

After arriving in America, Golstein became a citizen in 1940. He worked in several clinics and universities, including Harvard, Columbia, Brandeis, and Tufts. He never truly felt comfortable living in America or speaking the language.

Golstein was quiet and shy, and was known as "the professor" because he loved books so much. He started out studying philosophy, then switched to medicine.

From 1906 to 1914, Golstein worked at a psychiatric clinic, where the lack of real treatment the patients in the clinic received eventually led him to his important work with brain injured soldiers in his own clinic. The publishing of his observations and treatments of people suffering from psychiatric and neurological disorders made him well known and respected.

Laura.a.anderson (talk) 03:15, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

References

Put changes in sandbox

Please develop this article in the sandbox. Click the "User page" tab to go there. Here are some specific comments:

1. The most important part of a Wikipedia article is the intro paragraph. Here are instructions for doing this right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section
2. In general, you have added some good content. However, what you've got down is poorly organized. Work from your outline. Use section and subsection heads to organize your work.

J.R. Council (talk) 06:03, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, and nice work - has a bit left to go, but close

Thanks for moving the article to the sandbox. As I've been reading over this, I am realizing that you have some good material, it just needs to be stitched together into paragraphs. Right now it is very choppy within sections.

• You also need to work on the intro paragraph. The introductory paragraph should give a good overview of the article. Wikipedia intro paras appear in Google searches, so they are important. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section
• I think that once you do these things, it will be time to move this material to the main article. Let me know when you do, and I will send the link to Ian.

J.R. Council (talk) 20:13, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

This is very close - intro please

I don't see any recent changes. Please follow my suggestions from my preceding comments. Especially regarding a good intro section. J.R. Council (talk) 03:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Answers to Laura's questions

Laura sent me email that said this:

My group members and I are struggling with organizing and writing a good introduction for our topic (Kurt Goldstein). Thanks for the suggestions you've given. I think what's holding us back is how to organize and add sentences when we all contributed random sentences and facts at first, and we're scared of getting things out of order and not citing them correctly after rearranging. Are there any tips you can give us on this?

1. First of all, I have given this group several suggestions and no one has done anything. Don't let being scared of doing something wrong paralyze you into doing nothing at all. If you make a mistake, you can always find the previous version by clicking View history.
2. Start by redoing the Introduction. Begin by removing the section heading. Intros in Wikipedia do not have titles. I gave you links to instruction for the intro or lede section. Please read over those instructions, but basically you just need to proofread. It looks pretty good for an intro. Also, act on my comment about Wernicke.
3. Retitle the "Interesting Facts" section as Biography or Background. Integrate this with the information in the later Biography section. Start by giving his dates of birth and death. Clean this up, but leave it mostly "as-is." I have edited the first paragraph to show you what I mean.
4. Put in a subsection with heading about his life in Nazi Germany. Edit to give this some continuity.
5. You need reference citations for all of the statements about Goldstein. I don't see many.

• These are my suggestions. Don't worry about how you're going to do it right, just start doing it. This is just a user sandbox. Nobody except me and your group members are looking at this.

J.R. Council (talk) 03:13, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Significant improvement!

This is much better now. The main things you need to do now are:

1. Remove the signatures (J.R. Council (talk) 21:13, 30 April 2015 (UTC)) - I can tell who did what by looking in History.
2. Rather than having sentences separated by spaces, edit the sections into paragraphs with better continuity.
3. Put references and citations into appropriate form. I reposted my note in Blackboard announcements in case you are unclear how to do this.

J.R. Council (talk) 21:13, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Looks good! Sent the link to Ian

Nice work on this! It came together very well. J.R. Council (talk) 18:20, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Feedback

@Karlee.beavens and Laura.a.anderson: Nice work crafting this draft, but I'm not clear what your plans are for integrating this draft with the existing Kurt Goldstein article. While there is content in this article that should be added to that one, the difference in structure will make that more difficult than it would have been had you started with that article as a scaffold and built your additions around it.

One thing you need to do is remove statements of opinion like "interestingly" and "ironically". These kinds of comments don't belong in a Wikipedia article. Be careful with your wording, you write that "Eva Rothmann petitioned the ranking Nazi, Matthias Heinrich Goering"; the source says "Eva Rothmann (1897–1960) petitioned the high-ranking Nazi, Matthias Heinrich Goering"; there are two problems here - one is that this is a close paraphrase of the source and the other is that by leaving out the word "high" you have turned Matthias Göring into "the ranking Nazi" (which, if there was a person who could actually be described as such, would be Hitler himself). Incidentally, the close paraphrasing issue isn't really problematic in this case (since the article is released under a creative commons share alike licence) but you'd have to attribute the source explicitly in the article.

Apart from that, you need to fix the reference system. Some of the references are numbered manually (e.g., [3]) others are clickable and numbered automatically. You need to bring everything to a consistent system, and manually numbered references aren't very workable in Wikipedia, since they are hard to update (at present, there two sets of references, one numbered 1-9 and the other 1-10)

• @Ian (Wiki Ed):The feedback above is from Ian. He must have forgotten to sign it. It seems that a number of changes still need to be made, but it looks do-able. Fixing up the references is the main thing. Also note his comments on wording. I think you should be able to make these fixes and selectively move much of the content to the main article space. I can help with this. (Ian - does my ping notify you that I've made this comment?) J.R. Council (talk) 20:44, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, User:James Council, thanks. I must have forgotten to sign. {{ping}}, {{u}} and just a link all work, although in different ways (linking to someone's username notifies them, but only in a comment that's signed in the same edit that adds the link). Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:49, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

I can see that Laura has done a bit of work on this to respond to Ian's suggestions. However, there's still a ways to go. I've put Ian's suggested corrections that you still need to do in italics, above. J.R. Council (talk) 18:35, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

• Also, need to add some links. I've linked aphasia in the introduction as an example. J.R. Council (talk) 18:36, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
• I really can't approve this for publication to the main article space until these problems are taken care of. J.R. Council (talk) 18:41, 5 May 2015 (UTC)