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INSEAD history

Hi, I saw that you just reverted my contents on history of INSEAD. Given that I spent sometimes adding sources to my version, do you bother to explain why such reversion happen? "Revert to last good version" is a bit condescending, don't you think? 113.185.76.81 (talk) 07:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Dear IP editor, I added the link WP:COATRACKING beside the revert to last good version in the edit summary. Note that I have also reverted the other IP editor's edits are they are fundamentally not as good in the revert. It is rather common on Wikipedia to have edit summary "Reverted to last good version" when there are a lot of problematic edits and it is easier to start from a version that looks okay. Your version has half the history section reads like the biography of Georges Doriot which is coatracking and also a lot of primary sources from INSEAD website, please read WP:PRIMARYSOURCES as well.

I hope this long explanation helps with understanding why I reverted it to the last good version. I understand that you have spent time editing the article and I have come along just to revert it but I hope you can understand how editing Wikipedia works. Also, do you have any relationships with INSEAD? If yes, please read WP:COI as well. ~ JASWE (talk) 07:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Noted. Can you suggest improvements than just revert my work? That would be more constructive. I added a quite a few citations and not only sources from INSEAD website. Please advise on how to keep those citations.

I'm not affiliate with INSEAD. I got my MBA from a school in UK, but fond of the school's story and its mission. 113.185.79.140 (talk) 09:38, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Generally for history of a company, we only mentioned who is the founder and where possible, motivation for founding the company (example such as so and so wanted to give back to the community and started this education institue) but do not go into details such as his life to reach on why his has this motivation, a quick 2 to 3 sentences will be sufficient on motivation. This should address the coatrack issue.

I actually did a quick view on the sources you added, non-INSEAD sources are generally okay but for INSEAD sources, try to look for other secondary articles mentioning it. If there are no other secondary articles, consider why do you want to add this in? Is it really important to add this piece of information in? For factual figures and information where there is no need for INSEAD to disguise information and statistics, it is fine to quote the INSEAD sources. Sometimes we use "Accordingly to INSEAD, this and that happened" so readers know this might be some information which may or may not be so truthful and we let the readers decide.

Generally if you keep this in mind, it will help in writing. Alternatively, you can try improving some other articles first like finding references and sources for unsourced statements. Armed with the knowledge of how to make Google searches, checking in resources (such as libraries, newspapers archives), it will help you in getting the required secondary sources and references to improve INSEAD.

If you like to, do create a Wikipedia account. Generally IP editors edit a few articles and normally leave so the more regular editors usually tend to be more sparse in edit summaries and rendering help. So a Wikipedia account where other editors can reach you more easily and communicate, it will be helpful for everyone. For any more questions you have, you can also ask at WP:HELPDESK. ~ JASWE (talk) 10:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok. My revision as below, with some help of AI.

Georges Doriot, born in Paris in 1899, was a visionary French-American venture capitalist and a professor at Harvard Business School. Often regarded as the "father of venture capitalism," he founded the American Research and Development Corporation (ARDC) in 1946, one of the first publicly owned venture capital firms. Doriot’s career was also shaped by his service as a General in the US Army during World War II, where he led the Military Planning Division. His experience with the war fueled his determination to contribute to Europe’s recovery.

After the war, Doriot envisioned a business school that would unite leaders from different countries, including the formerly hostile, to rebuild economies and promote lasting peace. To ensure that, his vision for the school includes citizenship limits and language of instruction to be in either French, English or German to ensure cross-culture collaboration. The school still keeps the citizenship limit, currently at 12% but today all classes are taught in English, with students required to be proficient in three languages for graduation.

In 1955, he presented this idea to the Paris Chamber of Commerce, whose presidents, Jean Marcou and Philippe Dennis, not only funded the venture but also became first presidents of the school. Doriot’s vision gained international backing, including from U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who supported INSEAD's role in reconstructing Europe.

Doriot selected Claude Janssen and Olivier Giscard d'Estaing, his former students at Harvard, as his co-founders. Janssen, well-connected in European business circles, had substantial experience in finance, while Giscard d'Estaing, younger brother of the future French president, brought a strong political network, securing support from influential figures in France and abroad.

INSEAD was established in 1957 and initially operated out of the Château de Fontainebleau, before relocating to its current Europe Campus in 1967. The first MBA class began on September 12, 1959, with 57 students.

INSEAD expanded globally with the establishment of its Asia Campus in Singapore, inaugurated in 2000 by then Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew. With this, the school adopted the official branding "INSEAD" and the tagline "Business School for the World," replacing its original name, the European Institute of Business Administration, signaling a more global mission.

In 2012, INSEAD became a founding member of the Sorbonne University Alliance, moving toward a merger with leading specialist institutions to create a top-tier multidisciplinary university. 113.185.78.4 (talk) 10:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Any revision feedback?

113.185.77.138 (talk) 03:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I was away for a family vacation and just came back to look at this. Some fixes as below (italics for changes made).

• Georges Doriot, born in Paris, France in 1899, was a visionary French-American venture capitalist and a professor at Harvard Business School. (removed visionary (puffery))
• In 1955, Doriot presented this idea (Changed He to surname)
• Janssen, well-connected in European business circles, had substantial experience in finance, while Giscard d'Estaing, younger brother of the future French president, Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, brought a strong political network, securing support from influential figures in France and abroad. (removed substantial and strong (puffery) and added name of President)
• INSEAD expanded globally with the establishment of its Asia Campus in Singapore, inaugurated in 2000 by then Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew. (removed then, he was the PM at that moment)
• In 2012, INSEAD became a founding member of the Sorbonne University Alliance, moving toward a merger with leading specialist institutions to create a top-tier multidisciplinary university. (removed leading and top-tier (puffery))

I did not check the references and assumed all good (mix of primary and secondary sources of equal portion). Thank you for the rewrite and going with the WP:BRD process with me. Thanks! ~ JASWE (talk) 04:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Just to say thanks for helping me edit the MSHS article, plz help me to check it cuz I added some-more i am a current Marist so how am I supposed to do the source if I got the info on a private speech for our school only,Many Thanks Tythefishs (talk) 14:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC) Sorry my grammar horrible

Hi @Tythefishs! As you are currently a student there, it will be better to declare your WP:COI, I pasted some COI information on your talkpage for your information and the things you needed to do. I am currently on a break in a way so I will read and fix the article if needed.

Per Wikipedia's policy, all information need to be sourced so you will need a reference. If the speech is by a Minister at the school, usually it will be posted somewhere on the National archive or press release by the relevant Ministry. Ideally it is not the best reference to use but we can use it sparingly. Hopefully, it is reported by the media so we can use the newspaper article instead. ~ JASWE (talk) 09:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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