User talk:Junker's epitome
FIRST I think since the temple mount is Israel's Mecca they should have at the very least equal access ..Its only the 3rd important sight to Moslems, its not Mecca. Its so NOT equal now IN favor of Moslems and the trouble making Moslems are still not happy and fighting about it. SO That would have to be made equal .. and right now I don't think the Moslems would go for any change's except in their favor.. I think a Palestinian state for now is dead in the water .. why should Israel constantly have to be the one to make concession's while the others are even attacking and killing their people..
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Now on Luther and Lutheran Margarethe Luther's Jewish friend. Luther would object he would say if your going to list his sins we need to do a lot better job more than just list a few .. charging him with Anti -Semitism . that's a favorite sin that some Jewish people SOME Protestants AND some Roman Catholics love to charge him with . he lived 62 Years he certainly has done more sins and bigger ones than just that,, he would say.. we need to charge him with the things that have the same appeals to lots of people. I think calling the pope a donkeys behind, fits that category also.. SO THAT ALSO needs just as much a prominent place as the charge of Anti--Semitism. BECAUSE it to is a favorite of people who like to point out Luther's sins. if were going to do this . I think every one needs to be able to point their favorite sin out that Luther has done.. NOT JUST SOME PEOPLE.
WE NEED TO HAVE A WHOLE SECTION ON LUTHERS SINS .. AND WE NEED TO LABEL IT AS SUCH.. Anti-Semitism should or can be in it yet that not enough to even begin to list all the bad sins of Luther and I would like the word anti- Semitism stand out better be more bold so people will see it better.. Perhaps we can make it flash off and on while changing colors that are bright..Along with even worse crimes he has committed..
"Jesus died for sinners,, a person has to have "real and true" sins to be saved not FAKE ONES".. Martin Luther if were going to teach the world properly about Luther and his beliefs we honestly do need to have a whole category just dealing with Luther's many sin's And that goes for all Lutherans that have articles written about them.. AND THE REST OF US TO.
The least we can do for now is start with Luther and his friend Margarethe. who some how mysteriously became friends with Luther, I think I even remember reading one of Luther's letters to him that was found.. THE LUTHER of the article however had hardly any
contact with Jews and could hardly read Hebrew . yet the Jews and their lies treatise seems to tell us Luther knew Hebrew just fine because he tells us whAt he has read in the Talmud and what he thinks of it.. Could not read Hebrew very well I Guess the very gifted Melanchthon WaS not A very good teacher in that subject or the exceptionally high IQ God gave him must have gone on vacation's during the times when luther was studying Hebrew,, Luther's recorded in school IQ was way over what is known of Einstein's I Q YET if it did take a vacation every time Luther was studing his Hebrew lessons ... than some how mysteriously Luther was able to translate a lot of stuff from Hebrew into German .. And I wont mention a fellow who is credited with much of the kjv bible and trveled to Germany to learn a little bit about translating languages because luther was well known for his translating and language skills
TYNSDALE SHOULD BE IN THE ARTICLE.Luther him got along famously it was him that traveled to Germany to learn from Luther a few things about translating.. Luther did not travel to England ya know,, it was the other way around,.,,... LUTHERS ENGLISH BIBLE CONNECTION. is a important part of bible history.. ..and Luther history..
LET YOUR SINS be strong but your faith in Jesus be stronger still. Martin Luther
"Jesus died for sinner only one must bare real and true sins to be saved ... Jesus did not die for people who only fake that they are sinner's"---Martin Luther
ONE NEEDS TO READ THE WHOLE THING--- to see how big a God in Jesus Luther taught we have.. Jesus sacrifice for the sins of the world were bigger than if we humans who ever lived or would live could sin the very worst ways night and day none stop for endless eternities . is the MAIN point Luther makes..
now what makes me the expert on Lutheranism my credentials..
I guess I am that expert on Lutheranism you all were searching for after all... I would bet since I lived longer than Luther,, I would have many more sins then him; to FEEL SORRY FOR . And I also have lived longer as a Lutheran than him.. SO THATS MAKES ME EVEN MORE A EXSPERT THAN LUTHER ON BEING A LUTHERAN.. SINCE I BEEN ONE SINCE MY INFANT BAPTISM AND LIVED LONGER AS A LUTHERAN THAN HIM..
I would like to edit Martin Luther and right above Anti Semitism make a whole category for some of JUST the known sin's of Luther .. I WOULD like his listed sins to flash off and on to make people notice them if I could
or at least have them in bolder colors.. if were going to do this, we need to do it right ----- Jesus only died for sinners we need to make the Martin Luther place reflect that teaching of Luthers AND ST Paul
IS ANTI-SEMETISM WRONG A SIN ?
[edit]"SOME" JEWS and some other's want the label shoved down Luther's throat as if it is A unforgivable SIN .
Many more Moslem's, Than Jewish people IN THIS WORLD would look at the label and think that is a good Label to have.. GOOD=== FOR Martin Luther WHO EVER HE IS.. YET the article IS suppose to be about Luther
so how did Luther look at IT ?.. is ANTI- SEMETISM to be praised or not ? IS it even something Luther would be concerned With?. When we read his treatise the whole thing , ON he Jews and their lies.. Luther is concerned about racism .. IT is other people opinion that turned it around on Luther and made him the bad guy.. It might be popular opinion yet that's not what Luther's treatise teaches .. ... Luther in that treatise makes fun of the Jews because he was teaching . they were the bad guys. Luther points out Their teaching that they were the ones who thought they were better than every one else, because they were Jews decedent's of Abraham .. Luther mocks them reminding them the land there so proud of isn't even theirs ,,they haven't lived in it for years and years.. So being Jewish isn't better than any one else.
ACCUSING LUTHER OF anti-- Semitism for any of his remarks in that treatise is Like accusing Erick the red of a 1000 years ago for not having life jackets on his Viking ships ..and having links to peoples opinions of why its wrong .. it is wrong
it lacks the care for peoples well fair it does not respect life .. BUT IS IT FAIR to accuse the Vikings of that .. NO,, there is more applicable sin's you can accuse them of for sure. . and there is more applicable sins you can accuse Luther of for sure....
Did Luther TEACH Jesus was stronger than what he may not even considered TO BE sin?
I THOUGHT THE ARTICLE MARTIN LUTHER WAS SUPPOSE TO BE ABOUT MARTIN LUTHER AND WHAT HE TAUGHT.. I GUESS NOT
IF were going to have other peoples opinions on the martin Luther article such as links to anti Semitism written in the opinion of some Jews --THAN we NEED a link to people who think anti Semitism is a good thing I don't think it would be hard to find some Moslem groups that may oblige, do you?
correct me if I'm wrong.. But I though this was to be about Luther and what he taught?
ENCYCLOPEDIA.COM has no such links TO ANTI- SEMITISM nor does the other "RELIABLE"
more secular online encyclopedia's .. because there secular.. AND do not go by peoples opinions of the person the article is talking about, unless they tell you its a opinion than they give other opinions also.. .. the problem with that is opinions are like belly buttons , every one has one.. in fact ITS RARE when a secular encyclopedia even brings up the subject of anti-Semitism AND LUTHER because it not a subject Luther talked about.. the word ANTI- SEMETISM was not even invented back then.. IM not sure if even during Luther's time boater's had life jackets.
since the article is about Luther .
He did talk about racism AND did not like it ..cf--Luther's Jews and their lies treatise .. HE also did teach CHRISTIANITY was so much better than Judaism or Islamic beliefs OR any other beliefs it is beyond comparing ,,..
I would bet that people who want anti -Semitism talked about in this article , Would not want many Moslem groups doing the talking and on the opposite side they I'm sure don't want Jews doing it either..
the article is suppose to be about Martin Luther . And not peoples opinions be they even Lutheran .
because we should think of this site as the wiki pedia site and not the wiki tabloid site .it might be fun to join in on such a site though.. at least for a while until I'm the one every one voices their opinion on..
EVEN ANTI-SEMETISM that word --PEOPLE today and of all kinds and religions are struggling over what it really means .. to some it means a dead or physically hurt Jewish person, at the hand of some one who does not like Jewish persons .. YET others say no that's racism.. So opinions on even the definition OF ANTI- SEMITISM is so varied just about every one has there own definition what it is.. some more extreme other's very lenient..
thank you on this reformation Sunday for allowing me so much time to make the things I write half way readable .. I'm not the best at getting all my thoughts down Luther would be a lot better lawyer to make the proper case than I ,,since that what he started out to study.. and Christ is both his lawyer and judge.. That's right God stacked the deck in all peoples favor because he loves all people even Luther .. Luther would wish you let Jesus defend you to.
all the sin's of the whole world that has been done and multiply them by a eternity of eternity's
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ALL THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD AND MULTYPLY THEM BY A ETERNITY OF ETERNITYS
And " do you think such a exalted lamb paid such a small price for sins". MARTIN LUTHER
That's the statement that deserves blinking and flashing with bright colors on the Martin Luther page
its source is Luther's Let your sins be strong but your trust in Jesus be stronger still.
that's our ha ha and so what also when the devil throws our sins in our face..
"do you think such a exalted Lamb paid such a small price for sin"
and that's not just my opinion EITHER that's what Luther formulated and teaches because he believes that what the bible Teaches
Be it disturbing to some people or not.
our opinions on people IN articles are for the wiki tabloids not for Wikipedia
[edit]LUTHER in his treatise on the Jews and their lies WAS TELLING why he considered unbelieving Jews in Jesus to be the bad guys, and what to do about them.
IF we let popular opinion make him the bad guy of his own writing's,, what's happens when popular opinion turns the other way; are we going to have to re write the wiki tabloid about Martin Luther ..
AND if we make him the bad guy for just writing what should be done to what he thought were racist trouble makers ;.. than what do we do about Israel who carried out what Luther only wrote about on their west bank ? with who Israel thought are racist trouble makers, Israel they used bulldozers and
military force and killings on their west bank .. That would make them the bad guys to if we blame Luther and he only wrote about doing it...
And what does that make the united states we did it in other countries not even our own. Did we not go into Germany because SOME of them thinking a super race was best and they were starting to hurt their own people over it.?
what Luther only wrote about. TO DO WITH RACIST CAUSING TROUBLE. we carried out also with fire bombing even hurting the innocent--- which was bad..
AND WHY HURT some Jewish or other person feelings today or in the future that had nothing to with this stuff,, OR knows nothing about Luther's treatise OR why he wrote it ,, by even bringing the Luther anti-sematic stuff ..its not right to hurt peoples feelings ,,if it can be avoided even a little child would know that.
Just important things to consider so we don't make Wikipedia in to a grocery store tabloid...
lets at least here bury and for get about Luther's treatise on the Jews and their lies
because the world is becoming more unfriendly and we don't need to fuel fires of hatred.
with 500 year old stuff that Luther only intended for a few other pastors to read and give their opinions on. Which they did and we know about.. After that it was buried and for gotten like it should have been why let Hitler get his way now ? Since he drug it up from its grave for evil purpose's misrepresenting every thing Luther intended by his use of it.. I would not want to see the words and
references to the Talmud linked ether off the Jews and there lies treatise . that would make people throw up.. we don't need help at all hating each other,, we do enough of it now.