User talk:Jungle Bob 99

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Please help me with... I am a volunteer with the Perth Modern School Museum. We posted a digital honour board on the Wikipedia PMS page on 28 October 2020 and it was removed by Coolabahapple a few hours later. The original of the digital honour board is at honour.perthmodern.wa.gov.au . The 151 names on the honour board are of those former students who died as a result of their military service in times of conflict. We posted a copy on Wikipedia so that it is available to members of the wider community. The board is incomplete and encourages readers to contribute to it. Could you please advise us if the honour board is sufficiently notable to warrant an inclusion on Wikipedia. If it is, we would put it on a separate Wikipedia page rather than on the PMS page as it did unbalance the page, as pointed out by Coolabahapple.

Thanks very much for your assistance. Jungle Bob 99 (talk) 00:42, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My interpretations of what you've been doing is that the material you've been adding is not attested to by published, reliable sources. When you add material to Wikipedia, providing citations is always required. An honour board where readers are encouraged to contribute is going to considered user-generated content and will not generally be considered a reliable source for purposes of Wikipedia. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:29, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Please help me with... I am a volunteer with the Perth Modern School Museum. We posted a digital honour board on the Wikipedia PMS page on 28 October 2020 and it was removed by Coolabahapple a few hours later because it unbalanced the page, which it did, as can be seen from the version prior to it being removed. The original of the digital honour board is at https://honour.perthmodern.wa.edu.au/ . The 151 names on the honour board are of those former students who died as a result of their military service in times of conflict. After receiving helpful advice from jmcgnh on 9 November, we would like to post a reduced version of the honour board on Wikipedia. It would consist of the first 12 columns, all of which are completed. An unformatted extract is below.

First Names	    Last Name	Years at Modern School	Date of Birth	Date of Death	Age at Death	Conflict	Service	Service No	Unit	     Final Rank	       Place of Death	
Percival	     Boland	     1912-13	       7/02/1895	28/06/1915	20y,4m	           WW1	         Army	    635	   11th Battalion	Private	        Gallipoli		
John Shaw	    Anderson	     1911-14	       2/03/1896	1/08/1915	19y,4m	           WW1	         Army	   1504	   11th Battalion	Lance Corporal	Gallipoli		
Marshall Trigellis    Fox	     1911-14	      16/02/1896	1/08/1915	19y,5m	           WW1	         Army	   1462	   11th Battalion	Private	        Gallipoli

Could you advise me if this would be welcomed by Wikipedia, please? Jungle Bob 99 (talk) 04:29, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear, the table looked a lot neater when I posted it - apologies. Jungle Bob 99 (talk) 04:32, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I added some formatting tags that let the original formatting of the data show through a little better. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:55, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I took a look at the honour board on your website and it's a beautiful thing. It shows that someone has spent a lot of time on it. I especially appreciated the links to facsimiles of the original enlistment or other documents.

On the other hand, you ask if this would be welcome on Wikipedia and I remain of the opinion that it should not be copied over to Wikipedia. I can see where a pointer might be considered as an external link in the school's article, but the material itself should not be reproduced on Wikipedia.

You may see in other articles relating to military history on Wikipedia that there are detailed lists of, for instance, German soldiers who received a particular high honor List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients. These lists are considered justified on Wikipedia because receiving the highest-level military honor makes the recipients notable for Wikipedia purposes. But these lists are hard to document and maintain. The theory that the recipients are notable is often challenged by lack of documentation in independent sources, so there is some resort to primary sources.

I'm sorry if this is disappointing advice to you, but the guidance at NOTMEMORIAL applies even here. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:16, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note I recommend that all further discussion on this topic occur at: Talk:Perth Modern School#Addition of honour board list That way, it can all be seen in one take rather than being distributed across three talk pages. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:00, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]