User talk:Jsn9333

Welcome!

Hello, Jsn9333, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{helpme}} before the question on your talk page. Again, welcome! --Neo-Jay (talk) 15:13, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FNC

Is this edit supposed to be some kind of clever joke that I'm just not getting? My username is AuburnPilot, not AutoburnPilot. I corrected the mistake here and you reverted me. What's up? - auburnpilot talk 12:38, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

no, not a clever joke. Stupid mistake actually. I had accidentally referred to you as Auburn, and after I saved the edit I read it later and for some reason I thought your name was autoburn pilot. I don't know why I thought that, but I honestly did. I was like, "Oh f*#k, I called him auburn!" I was so sure your username was actually was autoburn I didn't even check, I just fixed it as fast as I could. Maybe I was editing it at the same time as you or soemthing? I'm not sure. But I apologize. I'm certainly not helping my case in the FNC debate by not paying careful attention to your name. I'm sincerely sorry. I'm honestly not trying to be a jerk though. Jsn9333 (talk) 14:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just fixed it correctly, again, I'm sorry. Jsn9333 (talk) 14:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, no worries. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't being a complete jackass and missing something obvious. I even looked at the page history to make sure I hadn't missed a user named "autoburn". Thanks for the correction. - auburnpilot talk 20:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, I was the one missing something obvious; totally my bad. I hope you will still respond to the comment though. Jsn9333 (talk) 03:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake

My point is simply this, when AuburnPilot thought you were butchering his name for some stupid joke, he asked you what the deal was. He didn't accuse you of anything. All I wanted from you was the same courtesy AuburnPilot afforded to you. Sometimes agf requires the assumption of a mistake when something seems blatantly out of whack. It would defy logic and ruin all my credibility on this project to so blatantly pick against you and favor Blaxthos by calling you out for doing the same thing he did, especially when he did it first. I just wish you would have asked me or pointed out the selective nature of my edit before accusing me. With that said, I have acknowledged my mistake, and you have told me you accept my explanation. So the issue is dead to me, and I am ready willing and able to move on. Ramsquire ^{(throw me a line)} 18:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would be happy to remove the conversation from the thread if you are worried about your reputation. Would that be okay? I'm very sorry to have given you so much angst. AuburnPilot wondered if I was mocking his name, so in that sense I was basically wondering about the motivations behind the selective enforcement. I do suppose a much better route would have been to change my title back and then discuss with you on your talk page. I am sorry, and I will try to do better in the future.

Please don't edit my entry on the FNC page. Anyone who reads it would understand what happened. I don't understand why you are having difficulty with the premise that if something weirds happens, ask first, accuse later. What I said above is if I had did what you thought I was doing, I would lose credibility. I've been here intermittently for years, and have come across thousands of editors through RfCs, RfAs, RfDs, arbitrations and mediations. I am not concerned about any one edit I've made, nor do I have any angst about any one editor. I am trying to give you a small bit of advice of being succesful here, especially since you have already been blocked in your first month of editing. Ramsquire ^{(throw me a line)} 18:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alrighty friend. Your call. And since we're giving each other advice, here is some for you (no offense intended, as I haven't taken offense to your giving me advice). Perhaps next time you want to accuse someone of being uncivil, you might want to take your own advice and "ask first, accuse later." What you did showed favoritism publicly, resulted in you accusing me publicly of being uncivil, and I called you on it publicly. End of story. You pleaded mistake, and in good faith I believed you. It's over. I could just as easily accuse you of "not assuming good faith faith" for not actually looking into the matter and perhaps talking to me about it before tossing out accusations. Jsn9333 (talk) 21:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

April 2008

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Fox News Channel. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 03:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose this is because I edited the lead of the Fox News entry twice today. I am curious, did you also warn the person who reverted my edits twice? (TheNobleSith). If not, then why? Thank you. Jsn9333 (talk) 03:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, I didn't warn that user, because he/she has a total of 2 edits in 24 hours to this article whereas you already have 4. Granted, not all of them are reverts, but you are closer to violation of WP:3RR than User:TheNobleSith is. A warning is not a threat, it's merely to make you aware and more cautious of your edits. If you feel User:TheNobleSith should be warned, then by all means, warn him/her, but please don't complain to me by pointing to someone else's behavior rather than heeding the advice. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 03:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If I made 4 edits of the lead, then 2 of them were minor punctuation or mistakes of that sort. Do you take that into account? I am not attempting to "complain", but rather am seeking to understand this process better. I'm fairly new here. Thank you. Jsn9333 (talk) 04:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notification

I have reported your behavior to the administrator noticeboard. You may find the discussion here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 23:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notification per recent ANI

Hi Jsn9333, as per the proposed remedy at ANI (permalink), this is a notice for the implementation of your editing restrictions which will cover the next four weeks (to end on May 23). I was planning on waiting a bit longer, but your recent posts can only serve to inflame the situation (which at least between Blaxthos and Urzatron had been resolved). My hope is that you will come out on the other side of this with no hard feelings and a breadth of edits which will only be to your credit. I urge you to take advantage of this opportunity and try to contribute in some uncontroversial (and I presume not stressful) areas over the next few weeks. Please take care to note the conditions laid out at ANI, and I have to also insist that you not continue this dispute at any involved user's talk page. Thanks, and I truly wish you the best of luck, R. Baley (talk) 00:18, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I understand it, the consensus of the editors (that is, the solution the editors agreed on) in the complaint was a much shorter block. Two of the editors, of the four responding, (Blaxthos and I excluded of course) desired a block of a few days to a week, and one of those desired for Blaxthos to be blocked as well. So is your proposed solution simply your advice to me, or are you saying it is the "official" consensus. I'm just not exactly sure what is going on, please clarify for me. Thank you. Jsn9333 (talk) 01:33, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry it wasn't clear, it's not advice, I will enforce with increasing blocks if necessary. I hope that it is not. Please take advantage of this opportunity to edit in less stressful (or tense) areas of Wikipedia. With this remedy, I am trying to avoid having to put anything on your block log. There are plenty of things to do here that are much less contentious; hopefully you will find some of them interesting. Hope this clarifies things, R. Baley (talk) 01:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also wanted to state clearly, you are not currently "blocked." Blocking is a technical mechanism administrators can use to stop disruption (among other things). You are temporarily banned from editing the FNC or related pages, or from continuing the dispute which arose there. I'm hoping that you can refrain from doing so, so that no actual "block" is necessary. Thanks, R. Baley (talk) 01:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I would be happy to edit other articles, and I have always planned on moving on... I just take things one step at a time. Fox News just happens to be the entry that got me interested in editing because I saw a real need for some WP:NPOV work and decided to make an account. The editors at the FNC entry agreed with me to the extent they changed the lead so that independent supporters of Fox News (and not only independent critics) are also mentioned. Things got heated when Blaxthos vehemently opposed the changes, and I regret that. As a side note, I think it is regretful you are not making him face any consequences at all for the documented uncivil and newcomer-biting behavior he has exhibited. Nonetheless, I instituted a change that the editors thought necessary for NPOV, and it was installed by consensus. Those same types of changes are going to be in the future of the controversies sub-article... as is obvious from a quick scan of it. However, I now know to work more slowly and deliberately in consensus building. So, my question... when you say I need to do things that are less contentious, are you saying I need to never again do NPOV work on a Fox News article? Or are you just saying I should get involved in other articles as well? If it is the latter, then that is fine... as I have a lot of topics of interest and don't see a problem jumping into them sooner rather then later. But if it is the former (that I am permanently banned from NPOV work on Fox News entries), then I have serious problems with what you are asking (telling) me to do and will seek out advice from another administrator before complying. So please clarify for me again. Thanks. Jsn9333 (talk) 02:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just the 4 weeks, not forever. I figure in that time you will become more familiar with policies, guidelines, and community norms. After the 4 week period (assuming no real problems arise during that time) it will be up to you to decide if, or when, you want to go back to editing at FNC. Hope this helps, R. Baley (talk) 02:33, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of last questions. You mentioned that Blaxthos and Urzatron had resolved their differences. However, my point was not that they hadn't... it was that Blaxthos is shown to be very quick to accuse and insult people, especially newcomers, and I documented that in the complaint (just like he posted comments about me). I would like to know why you are not taking efforts to better "familiarize" him with assumption of good faith, civility, and other WP policies. Can you please tell me? Perhaps you are trying to say he "makes up" with users he offends. Well, if you'll look at his talk page you'll see I have apologized to him (probably more then a week ago at this point) and he completely ignored me... he did not even pay me the respect of a response.

I am having a very difficult time understanding why I am being singled out and he is being left to continue his behavior with no disruption at all. Perhaps it would help if you could show me the diffs where I engaged in behavior grossly different or disproportionate from his, because at this point I can't really differentiate my behavior from Blaxthos'. He is the more experienced editor, and it seems to me that you are banning me for pretty much following his example... yet you are leaving him to continue to bite and to be an example to other newcomers. His history of biting newcomers and inflaming the FNC talk pages is long and documented. No offense, but what gives? Can you clarify some of this confusion? If you can't then I would almost rather you ban me so at least your (what seems to be) double-standard approach to this incident is also documented. Again, no offense intended... I just truly do not understand your reasoning. I'm in law school, so I guess I just have this mindset that actual proof should be shown before someone is singled out and judged. At this point, I have seen proof that both Blaxthos and I (and several other editors) have offended users in the past... in pretty much equal amounts. Jsn9333 (talk) 04:15, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jsn93333, your continuing "attacks" on Blaxthos will not win you any points. S/he may not have behaved perfectly, but your behavior has been worse. Even while you must have realized you were under scrutiny, your first reaction was to defend yourself (which is ok), but only by going on offense against another editor (definitely not ok), on multiple pages -thus spreading and increasing the dispute. This had the effect of forcing my hand and requiring me to act sooner than I had wished, because I really did want to wait long enough to see if other uninvolved editors would assess the situation and leave their opinion. Always, you should be seeking to defuse situations instead of inflaming them; but before, and more importantly (in my estimation) after! the ANI report, virtually every edit you made had the effect of increasing the tension, not resolving it. I could say more, but I'm not going to. This situation is resolved as far as I'm concerned. . .and I'm not going to debate it. My page is open to any request you might have or advice you might ask. . .but this situation, and the lengthy discussion over it, has to be brought to a close. You have an opportunity here, and I really hope that you will take it. Respectfully, R. Baley (talk) 08:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(edited to add) Sadly(?), I feel an obligation to watchlist every page I edit now, so there isn't any need, usually, to notify me at my talk page. (if, however, after a day or 2, there is no response, I might have missed it, so leaving a note is fine--no big deal either way really) Best, R. Baley (talk) 08:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My response toward Blaxthos was the same length as his "offense" toward me in the original complaint, R. Baley. I made sure to keep it that way. Plus much of my response was defense. (beginner meatpuppetry mistake opinion of admins, etc.) I sense you want to end this discussion, but I would appreciate it very much if you're going to ban me like this, for the same exact behavior Blaxthos engages in, if you could differentiate us. Even if I did "offensively" point out the same behavior in Blaxthos in my response... the entire point of that was this question. Why ban only me, when he has done exactly what I have done and he is the more experienced editor? Can you really blame me for wondering about that? If the problem is that I'm not involved in other articles, then I'll be happy to do that. But a month long ban is a little much, especially given that almost half of the editors in the consensus did not agree to that (even the rushed consensus).

Also, there was nothing uncivil happening at the Fox News entry talk page while you were waiting, so it makes no sense that you ended the consensus early. The discussion in the actual complaint was accusatory, but it was that way by nature... it begins with Blaxthos stating accusations against me. The discussion there was on the merits of the complaint and the point Uzatron made about not allowing this to show a double standard was valid. Uzatron was one of those who agreed with my POV for the most part in the debate, and as you see he treated me differently in the complaint then the editors who disagreed with me in the debate (some of whom Blaxthos specifically recruited knowing this). I know for a fact that Arzel, another editor who agreed with my POV on FNC, is out of town and will be back any day. He will have a much different view of this situation, probably even more friendly then Uzatron's... because Blaxthos has laid into him multiple times as well. Could you at least wait until another editor or two comments? Besides, the consensus was for a much shorter ban, even without the additional comments that would've been on the way I'm just being honest with you, not trying to offend...

Please work with me here. Jsn9333 (talk) 14:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ANI

Hi. One of your edits accidentally undid an archival bot at ANI, so I went ahead and undid it - please let me know (or re-add) If I accidentally removed the content you were trying to add. However, in checking to make sure I didn't screw something up, I noticed this edit, which seems to delete some threads. Could you explain your intent here? Thanks. UltraExactZZ ^Claims~ Evidence 14:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am curious as to the purpose of this edit. Editing talk pages (especially in a forum such as AN/I) in such a manner as to remove parts of threads is highly disruptive, but I'd like to think there's an innocent explanation for this. Orderinchaos 15:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Before whoever archived that thread did so, someone deleted one of my comments in the thread. Given that I am planning on having another administrator review that thread, I thought the deletion was especially obstructive. If trying to add the information back was a violation, I apologize. I did not know. But I would think whoever deleted it in the first place committed a similar violation. There seems to be some odd behavior going on with my current ban from the Fox News entry and people deleting my comments out of threads, especially AN/I threads, before archiving. As far as I know I added my comment back (or attempted to), I don't believe I deleted anything.

I was going to undo the change, but I do not understand how archiving works and I didn't want to undo the archive. So I went and found the diff, and I actually edited in the old information with a note and a link to the diff explaining why I was doing it. I figured that was safer then accidentally undoing the archive. I didn't know that was a problem, and as far as I'm aware I edited in information... I did not delete anything out. All I know is that the "collapsed" section from the diff was in the original thread, and then when R. Baley archived the thread my comment was gone. Somehow it got deleted it before it was archived... just my comment, not everything in the collapsed section. Doesn't that seem odd?

I tried twice by the way... I wasn't sure what was happening. The actual comment that someone deleted from the thread (which was important to my case, given that Blaxthos was accusing me of bad faith and uncivil behavior) said this: "These bad faith, accusatory insinuations are exactly the sort of thing Blaxthos does to turn up the heat at the Fox News entry, and the documented chastisements he's gotten from the numerous editors listed above is the proof. He especially does this to newcomers to the entry, as well as using the "FAQ" to wikilawyer them, as noted by this editor at the FNC page. My response to Ramsquire's mistake (described at length above) was a direct result of that behavior Blaxthos heaps on every new editor. Blaxthos continually bites newcomers at the Fox News entry, and now he has started this complaint to get rid of the one that bit back. And you seriously say I am to blame for increasing the incivilities? Either ban us both or ban neither of us, but if you are going to ban only one I would think it would make sense to ban the one with the most experience... because he has the least excuse for what he has been engaging in. (P.S. - I am re-adding this comment to the archive, because as can be seen here it was deleted by someone either while this thread was archived or before.)" Jsn9333 (talk) 15:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. - the links to the diff was not right, I have corrected the problem in my explanation above. Jsn9333 (talk) 16:41, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is possible that your additions were reverted when I undid your removal and the archival by Miszabot. Threads are archived when the most recent timestamp is 24 hours or more old, so the conversation was presumed to be stale; if you have further comment, then start a new section and add a diff to the previous section or version (or to the archived discussion) for review. Either way, given your block, I would recommend in the strongest possible terms that you drop the issue. The dispute appears to be resolved, at least so far as everyone else is concerned. Let it go. UltraExactZZ ^Claims~ Evidence 17:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My additions were deleted before the archiving even took place. The permalink to the archive R. Baley provided above does not have some of my comments in it... comments I made long before the archive was made. I don't want to add a new section, I want the archived thread to be the actual original thread so I can have another administrator review this situation as it actually occurred, not as only a partial replication. Is that too much to ask? I am being blocked for asking for the archive to actually reflect the real thread... without my comments deleted from it. Does that not strike you as odd? Jsn9333 (talk) 18:10, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about the status of any archived this or that, but - as there are multiple diffs above and elsewhere that document the various comments and arguments raised in the discussion, and given the fact that there are now multiple discussions about the fact that the archives may not necessarily be accurate (a fact to which I cannot speak), I'd say that your point is made. As for the block, As you are aware it is under discussion - so, we'll see. Best, UltraExactZZ ^Claims~ Evidence 19:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Just trying to figure out what is going on, that's all. I appreciate you're bringing the problem with the edit to my attention, and I apologize for any inconvenience I accidentally caused. Jsn9333 (talk) 20:09, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for For disruption by perpetuating a dispute in violation of the terms as laid out at ANI.. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. R. Baley (talk) 17:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

edited to add: any further attacks on any user, using your talk page, will result in your talk page being protected as well. R. Baley (talk) 17:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Jsn9333 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Please see above "permalink" R. Baley, the blocking administrator, provided to me to the thread in which he banned me. It has had a key comment I made deleted out of it. I made the comment long before archival. I was going to have an independent admin review the process that resulted in my ban, and so I tried to get my the comment placed back into the archive. And now that has apparently gotten me blocked. This is documented above (in my talk page). I tried to add it back, not knowing that was some sort of violation. (Is it?) The diffs show the comment was there long before archival. It was then deleted. This seems awfully odd to me. Can another administrator please step in here? :Also, it seems that I have been banned from an entry for exactly the same behavior as another, much more experienced user... and that user has not even been warned. That user reported me to be blocked at the administrators notice board, then actively campaigned on the talk pages of those who disagreed with my POV in the entry in question, asking them to join in, and then an administrator quickly banned me. The thread where this took place is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Editor_Jsn9333_and_FNC_talk_page . It seems the consensus was for a ban of a few day or a week at the most. And this was from editors mostly consisting of those who disagreed with my POV in the talk page! Editors who agreed with my POV in the talk page tended to believe that both I and the complaining user should be banned for a short while... the split was virtually on "party lines". Nonetheless I was banned for 4 weeks by the admin (who has now blocked me), and the other user was not even given a slap on the wrist. The evidence shows he engaged in the exact behavior I engaged in. This just does not feel right to me. The thread was quickly closed, even though some other editors who most likely would have supported me in the thread had not yet had the chance to join the discussion because I did not campaign on anyone's talk page. If you'll look at the evidence those who agreed with my POV in the talk page in question tended to want a more fair-minded solution to the problem. I know for a fact that one or two editors who most likely would've joined the discussion and supported a more fair solution were out of town for a few days. Can someone do something about this?

Decline reason:

Your block has expired, so I'm declining it to get the bot to shut up. — Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:37, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

I have contacted the blocking admin for further input on this matter. I am awaiting his response. Please be patient while this is all sorted out. The block will remain pending the blocking admin's responses... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 18:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I am in no hurry... this entire situation is just very frustrating. I am being blocked for wanting the archive to actually reflect the real thread... without my comments deleted from it, so I can have another admin review it Jsn9333 (talk) 18:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see on his talk page he has said I am attacking a user on my talk page. (!?) You can see the conversation I've been having with R. Baley above... I don't see any "attacking"... I have been nicely asking R. Baley to clarify his reasoning about the Fox News entry situation, since it looks to be a double standard. Jsn9333 (talk) 19:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Per the request of the blocking administratory, I am taking this to ANI for further input from other admins before taking any action. Please be patient while we reach a sensible solution. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 19:22, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I am in no hurry. I appreciate that someone else will be looking at this. Jsn9333 (talk) 19:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have been following the ANI discussion, and I want to say I am not protesting the directive to contribute on other pages. I want to make that clear. And I have been abiding by the ban, I have not been to the FNC entry or to any involved editor's talk page since. I have been looking into other pages to see where I can best contribute... that is until I was blocked. So to say I have not obeyed the ANI is not true. What I have done since the ban is simply to have asked, on my own talk page, that Blaxthos please be at least warned or something... he had a *huge* part to play in this matter and I guarantee you he will continue his documented newcomer-biting, insulting, and generally uncivil behavior unless someone actually lets him know he might want to calm it down a bit. If asking for clarification and stating my opinion on my own talk page is a blockable offense, then please enforce this block. In fact, make it a lot longer. Jsn9333 (talk) 00:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... Oh, and by the way, R. Baley... how is it that my stating my opinion on my own talk page is a violation of your order (to all involved editors) to not "poke and prod each other" after the discussion in the complaint, but it is not a violation that Blaxthos' and Ramsquire's state their opinion, not even on their talk page, but on the subsequent thread Jayron32 started for admin advice!? Can you please, for goodness sake, explain that one to me? Let me guess... now I'm going to be blocked for a a week for asking another question. What do you have against me that you come down so hard on me but wink an eye at Blaxthos and the user he recruited to join in his complaint against me? Jsn9333 (talk) 00:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jsn, if you continue to focus on Blaxthos (or Ramsquire, or any other editor), you will find your block extended. This has taken up virtually all of my wiki-time this week, and I'm not interested in a long drawn out debate. You know the way forward, and I urge you to take it once your block expires. Thanks, R. Baley (talk) 04:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi R. Baley, can you please enforce your strict regulations against everyone and not just one-singled out editor? How is it that my stating my opinion to you, on my own talk page, in the form of a question I have, is a blockable violation of your order (given to all involved editors) to not "poke and prod each other" by mentioning anything pertaining to the discussion afterwards... but it is not a violation that other editors state their opinion, not even on their talk page, but on the subsequent thread Jayron32 started for admin advice?Jsn9333 (talk) 07:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strange edit

What's up with your mass removal of comments here? -- Ned Scott 03:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See the section WP:ANI above, I think that is what you are referring to, is it not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsn9333 (talk • contribs)

I'm not entirely sure what's going on in the above thread, but this seems different. In the edit I cited you were removing somewhat random parts of different discussions. I'm not sure why you would have done that intentionally, since most of the discussions were about issues unrelated to you. Possibly a browser bug? -- Ned Scott 01:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure. I'm using Firefox/2.0.0.14. The permalink to an old ANI discussion an User:R. Baley gave me for my records showed one of my comments deleted. I went to undo the action of whoever deleted my comment, and then saw that the entire thread had been archived. I did not know how an undo effects something that has been archived (I don't even really know what an archive is). So instead I found an old diff from before my comment was deleted and added it into the archive, with link to the old diff explaining what I was doing and why. Within a few minutes the comment was gone again, and the folks posted to me above saying I had deleted information from their archive or something. Plus I had R. Baley ripping me new one at the same time because, Lord forbid, I had some questions about his ban and had the seemingly extremely unreasonable desire to have old ANI threads I've been a part of reflect what I actually said. Needless to say, I'm fairly confused about what is going on and who is doing what... but I do apologize if I accidentally mucked up an archive. No harm intended. Jsn9333 (talk) 02:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FNC

It's important to note two things. 1: I proposed all involved parties stray from the article and 2: I proposed an immediate block should there be any further trouble from any involved party. For the sake of reference, here's what I wrote. In the end, I probably should have used Support with amendments instead of Support. I've had plenty of arguments about Fox, believe me, and I know that the last thing we need is Wikipedia appearing to be on either side.

"R.Baley's proposal (cliff-notes version). I took a look over the talk page of the article. I expected a long discussion, but I found a gold medal winner for WP:LAME. All involved editors ought to-though there's little way to enforce it-make at least twenty major edits to unrelated articles before they again deal with the page on Fox News. Also, Jsn9333, Blaxthos, and others are not helping the project with their impatience. I propose all-you know who you are-be banned from editing anything on FNC articles more than once a day; both sides seem to have forgotten Wikipedia:There is no deadline in their haste. Jsn's requests for comment have been poorly worded, to say the least. I think the topic header of those ought to be changed to a less biased form. Say "is this commentary POV" rather than "is this commentary that shows only one side of the debate POV". Whether or not the assertion is true, it remains a leading question. Jsn has made enough blatant personal attacks that something should be done; of course, others have responded in kind. Banning Jsn from FNC articles sounds like a good idea, but the no poking requirement needs to be strictly enforced. Lastly, I propose the criticism note in the beginning be replaced with a statement that FNC is often considered more conservative than CNN and MSNBC, which is significantly less POV (but needs to be worded so as to avoid weasel words). Scythe33 (talk) 05:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)" Scythe33 (talk) 02:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Concerning your reply on my talk page, I thank you for your fair-minded proposal, and I'm sorry it didn't come across that way to me when you first said it. I'm even more sorry it didn't come across that way to R. Baley, who decided to ignore the documented biting and insulting conduct of Blaxthos and ban me from the FNC entry, block me for asking him why on my own talk page because that constituted 'involved editors continuing the insults', yet then wink an eye as Blaxthos continued to complain about our history in other ANI threads.Jsn9333 (talk) 14:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My advice to you; let the baby have its bottle. A lot of these editors are very immature and ill-intentioned and know how to game the system quite well, making virtually any change or progress impossible. It sucks but it is well worth losing the headache. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.19.166 (talk) 07:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Case in point, see my talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.19.166 (talk) 18:05, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]