User talk:Jozefsu

Körös-ér

Hello Jozef. I have done some editing on the Körös-ér article. The name officially used in Serbian is Kereš, as you can see from the links I posted from the companies which manage the waters of Vojvodina (Vode Vojvodine & DTD; there are numerous other articles, news, maps, atlases, etc, including at least one of the references you listed). Locals may have their own name, as we often do have for our local features (in Belgrade, for example, we often Kalemegdan call Kališ), and that local name should be noted in the article but the official name should be prominent. Also, editors and administrators on Wikipedia are allergic to the usage of the dual versions, like „Kőrös/Kireš” :-) Best wishes, PajaBG

Hi. I assumed you are from Subotica (Jozefsu) and writing to you in Serbian would be easier, but this is English Wikipedia, so we should respect that. Actually, I wrote this article 11 years ago, but I was absent from Wikipedia for a long time. One more tip: encyclopedias are written a bit different than the books, and someone will certainly change the text written in such manner. If the article is not an important one, it may not be changed soon, but in time it surely will.

As for Vode Vojvodine, you are right, they are bureaucratic administrative company, but they do administer the rivers and as an official company they use the official nomenclature. Everywhere in the world, it is the bureaucrats that name geographical features, not the scientists. If there is a hypothesis that it receives the waters from Palić and Ludoš, it should be mentioned, too.

You are right, Kereš is Serbian rendering of Körös and, for that matter, perfectly in line with the transliteration of the Hungarian into Serbian. According to "Pravopis", Hungarian Ö, Ő and EÖ are always transliterated as E. As you pointed out, Kereš is not an original Serbian name but it is properly transliterated. A fact that the local population pronounces something that resembles "I" more than "E" doesn't change much. For example, my army friends from Smedervska Palanka were pronouncing it Palánka, which in line with their Moravian dialect, but not with the official grammar.

I didn't delete Körös and Kireš, just removed it to the Serbian section of the article. Piling so many names in bold at the beginning doesn't look good in an article. If you think it is better, a line, for example: "In Serbian proper, local population also uses the names Körös and Kireš", can be lifted to the introductory section. Plus, you deleted Kereš completely. You may not like it, I also in private conversations don't use rules which are grammatically correct (kapučino, Andželina, Zemuna to sound like sapuna, etc.) as I am used to use it differently, but what's proper, it's proper. Of course, there all just my suggestions, like you said, it is not anyone's personal article.

Hungarian name has precedence in this case because of this rule on Wikipedia: if there is a historical (not native) English name for the river, it will be used. If not, the original name is used. If the river flows through two countries, like in this case, the name in the language of the country through which it flows longer is used. When I created this article, I named it Kereš and later editors changed it to Körös-er. The rule is rule.

By the way, where does Mostonga originates from? PajaBG (talk) 12:05, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Speaking of six Bačka rivers, I actually wrote the original articles on all of them, back in 2006. I was working on my project about the rivers of Serbia (List of rivers of Serbia) and I wanted all of the rivers over 50 km to have at least some basic article. I have to say I wasn’t bothering much with the citing of the references because that is SO tiresome and boring and kills your will to write on Wikipedia. But all the data that were originally there I have found somewhere…at that time. I was later absent for years, but, except for the technical stuff, not much was added to the articles by other editors. And I agree with you, I consider them rivers, not canals.

OK, so Mostonga doesn’t have a source as such, just like I wrote. If you have some source which mentions that Mostonga may be originating on the Hungarian side of the border, we can ad it. Though I guess, it would have to be some underground source as it clearly doesn’t cross the borderline on the ground, it would be visible, right? Take care PajaBG (talk) 15:58, 28 May 2017 (UTC)