User talk:Joy/Archive/2006

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Hrvatski maternji, Srpski srednje :) joj umrecu od smeha

OK, hajde molim te objasni mi kako to moze Hrvatski da ti bude maternji jezik, a kazes Srpski umes da pricas samo srednje? Bilo bi lepo da malo iskuliras sa guranjem hrvatskog nacionalizma i tisuceljetnog sna, a ako to ne mozes, onda bar malo iskuliraj sa anti-srpskim komentarima koje nevesto sakrivas optuzujuci Srbe za NPOV.

OK, could you please explain how it is that Croatian is your native tongue, and you state that your knowledge of Serbian is only at a medium level? It would be nice if you could chill out with the Croatian nationalism, and if this is not possible, then cutting down on the anti-serb comments, which are disguised as accusations of NPOV in Serbian users' articles, would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, and I hope that you accept this obviously true comment the way your, often justified, and always much appreciated, contributions to Serb-related topics have been accepted. Finally, I include the English translation, just in case you didn't understand the Serbian:) Get over it, it's Serbo-Croatian or Croato-Serbian, no matter how hard you try do deny it. --Bora Nesic 03:50, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Infobox Biography

Template:Infobox Biography has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Infobox Biography. Thank you. DreamGuy 07:20, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I remember you asking proof on Serbs in Dubrovnik

... in the 18th and 19th centuries. Please read this: Srpska društva u Dubrovniku. Please bear in mind that I only wish to point the presence od Serbian culture there during that period of time; and respect it as much as I respect the Croatian culture in Vojvodina (this is actually not meant for you, but for those who see this post and attack me with a knife and acuse of being a Greater Serbian nationalist :) Hear from you soon! --HolyRomanEmperor 19:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Gle tko se vratio

Evo a ja sam gotovo izgubio nadu!

Stekoh prijatelja, i to na vašoj strani. Naime stekoh hrvatskih prijatelja. To jest, stekoh Elephantusa. Znaš ga?

Oh, i postadoh administrator na srpskoj Wiki. Velike li časti. ;) --VKokielov 02:32, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Evo malo gore vidim da dok nisi bio prisutan, postao si i hrvatski nacionalista. Jok.

Oni svima daju administratorstvo, ali to ne znaci da ja uzimam slobodu u ovom pogledu. (Hey, Romanm sa slovenske je postao administrator tamo, pa sto ne bih i ja?) --VKokielov 02:51, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Falio si nama kad smo gurali zatvaranje srpskohrvatske Wiki, jer ona je postala Pokrajcev playground, barem donekle, u smislu da on i njegovi sakupljaju tekstovi s srpske enciklopedije i bez ddrugog pogleda ih stavljaju tamo. To, naravno, prilicno ljuti srpskih administratora. Bio je vote o zatvaranju, ali eto nismo imali "konsenzusa":

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Još jedna stvar. Dok nisi bio ovdje, uhapsili su Gotovinu. Možda znaš? ;(

Sada može odlanuti. Teret je odavle naprijed na drugoj strani. --VKokielov 03:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Answer bit-by-bit :)

Dakle, mogu ti sigurno tvrdit što je s Tvrtkom. On se krunisao u Mili 1377 godine, a kasnije iste godine u Mileševu, gdje je potvrdio svoj suverenitet nad Srbima.

Mogao bi doći i hitnu pomoć na sr.wiki Članak o Hrvatksoj je u zadnjih par dna bio zaključavan, otključavan, vandaliziran... Barem pogledaj ako ti se dade.

Vidio same te slike, i odgovorih ti na Talk:Croatia. Tada je mladi regent, 1925, mislim da je ta godina, naredio postavljanje spomenika u čast idolu njegova sina - 1,000 - godišnjica prvog (Jugo)Slavenskog kralja - Tomislava I Trpimirovića. Spomenici su postavljeni od Pule do Ulcinja, ako me pamet služi, samo su neki opstali. Taj u Dubrovniku, i još neki u Dalmaciji, pretpostavljam.

Serbs of Croatia i History of Croatian Serbs su već tute. Samo, čim su nastali, nastali su i controversies. Ako nijesi znao - Ruđer Josip Bošković je u zadnjih nekoliko dne ponovo postao čistokvrni Hrvat, pa srpski nacionalist, pa produkcija uma Vojislava Šešelja... itd. Mislih da je pravedno da ga uključim u sliku i spisak najznamenitijih Srba iz Hrvatske, no Elephantus i drugi garantiraju da je on Hrvat i nipošto išta drugo - pa mi ne ostaje mlogo šta :S (iako si mi čak ti rekao da mu je otac Srbin, a majka Italijanka :D.

Pogledaj De Administrando Imperio i vidjet ćeš da piše Belgrade. Srijemom su vladali Panonci (uzgred, evo napisah i Ljudevit Posavski), pa bio je kratko dio Kraljevine Hrvatske, jer ga 927 godine osvaja Simeon (oba Sre/ijema :), car Bugara. Nijesi Srbi sagradili Dubrovnik, već kako kaže De Regno Sclavorum iz Barskoga Rodoslova, ujak Časlava Klonimirovića Vlastimirovića, (obećavam ti da ću ti nabaviti i citat). No, da je Dubrovačku tvrđavu sagradio Kralj Duklje i Dalmacije Konstantin Bodin (Petar III) Vojislavljević u drugoj polovici XII vijeka - je opšte poznata stvar (uskoro je stavljam i na Duklja pogledaj taj članak kad budeš imao vrijemena)

? Gundulićeva nacionalnost nema veze što je pratio popularni srpski epski mit ("dokazan" od strane "nevjerovatnoga" povijesničara Jovana I. Deretića - ako nisi čuo o njemu - i nemoj! :) da je Aleksandar Maćedonski bio Srbin.

A, trenutno se interesiram za Bosansku povijest, pa napisah: History of Herzegovina, Matej Ninoslav, Prijezda I, Prijezda II, Kotroman, Stephen II Kotromanić i prepravih Kulina Bana, a i mnogo za Tvrtka ide uskoro.

I poslijednje, ali ne i najmanje: [2] Evo ti nešto za razonodu. Mnogo odgovora daje zašto smo mi ex-yugoovci takvi. :D Iako su uglavnom odavde, 20% su skinuli sa HRT-a i RTL-a. Ovi najnoviji nisu toliko smiješni koliko prošli, pa ćeš morati da malo pretražiš.

Pozdrav! --HolyRomanEmperor 16:02, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

One more bit

Now, I have found some sources on Rudjer Boskovic, but fellow-wikipedians refused to put them, so I am asking you to check their verification:

Virtual Library

Ancestry of Rudjer Boskovic (which has already been discussed)

Serbian Literature from Encyclopedia Britannica

Rudjer Boskovic, Virtual Library

Regards. --HolyRomanEmperor 22:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Trebalo bi malo srijedit one prominent individuals sa Serbs of Croatia. Napravih mess :S

Nemam pojma. Vjerovatno ima veze sa onim poznatim "... gdje si god na pučini Jadrana, prvu stvar koju ćeš vidjeti je barem jedan spomen kralja Tomislava..." tako da se svuda sa Jadrana vidi. Samo ne razumijem kako se jedna pločica može vidjeti odatle :D

Slažem se s tobom u vezi Boškovića. Pa, ne žuri, no pogledaj te linkove. Za sada Elephantus i drugi vode ratove (iz kojih se davno povukoh), on vadi Ruđera sa Serbs of Croatia i List of Serbs, i mijenja Ruđerov članak - za sada stoji da je on vjerovatno Hrvat, ali da ga svojata uzizanje srpskog nacionalizma Srpske Radikalne Stranke kao na primjer Vojislav Šešelj :D (baš to piše :) a druga strana vraća njegove promijene. No, trenutno je u vođstvu, jer je mlogo uporan.

Gdje si čuo da je Ljudevit Posavski pobjegao u Srb? Stavih to, alo je Elephantus tvrdio da je to Srpski Nacionalistički Mit, pa izbacih. Uzgred, ako neko pročita Chronicum Venetum, De Administrando Imperio, Barski Rodoslov (s De Regno Sclavorum), i izvještaje brojnih povijesničara, pa i Jovana Skilice i drugih... naizgled izgleda zbunjeno i razbacano, no vidjet će se da ti dokumenti samo potvrtđuju jedni druge. Mogu ti čak objasnit ako želiš, no to neće biti kratak post :-)

Mislim da gledaš pogrešne snimke. Ne bih rekao da su policajci i voditelji (među njima i Tomislav sa RTL-a) neuki ljudi :D Isto ima i par sa duhovnim ljudima, a i jedan sa Miroljubom Labusom (jednim od političara).

E, to za Gundulića si potpuno u pravu. Ti na jugu Dalmacije su čas Srbi, čas Hrvati. Jedini način (što je, moram priznati, sramota) da znamo ko su i što su ako se proderu ko jeleni u sred trga Dubrovnika. :) Primjer (ovo su sve katolici): Grof Medo Pucić koji je pijevao pjesmu o Srpstvu Dubrovnika i otišao u Beograd gdje je napisao spomenike Srbske od uhh... negdje 14-15 vijek (srpska povijest u tom periodu).

Citat Milana Rešetara:

Зато ја још увијек тврдим, као што сам тврдио пред педесет година да се у Дубровнику није никада говорило, ни у њему цијелом ни у једном његовом дијелу далматинским чакавско-икавским говором него увијек само херцеговачким штокавско-јекавским. Ја не идем даље од тога научног резултата, а нећу никако да улазим у, нажалост, обновијени спор о српству или хрватству Дубровника, јер су мени Срби и Хрвати један народ под два имена, па ми је зато Дубровник српски и хрватски. Али ко дијели српство од хрватства мора признати да је Дубровник по језику био увијек српски.

Onda imaš onog fratra koji je pobijegao na ostvrlje i spjevao pjesmo O 'rvatima Dubrovnika itd. Now you get the picture :O) Pročitaj onaj link kad budeš mog'o o Srpskim Društvima i iskazi svoje mišljenje.

Samo još jedno pitanje. Da li je Hrvatska bila zemlje dvojnog naroda - Hrvata i Srba do 1990 (kao Makedonija - Makedonaca i Albanaca sada?) ili je nešto drugo u pitanju? Bog! --HolyRomanEmperor 18:34, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Comeback

Glad to see you back. I've begun to worry (possible health problems & all that) Mir Harven 14:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Što da se radi s ovim, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Velikasrbija.png ? To su stavili Bosanci, no, tih slika ima k'o šodera, ja se uopće ne sjećam otkuda je koja ? Mir Harven 18:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Molise Croatian

Good evening, I'm here to cross paths with you and bug you for a second time. Please check out my talk contributions on the Molise Croatian Language, [3].

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Sorry:)

Hi,

I've been thinking and feel like I owe you an apology for my rash personal attack with regards to the Croatian language delcaration. Though I still fundamentally disagree with your view, that was certainly not a way to engage in a civil discussion. I guess what ticked me off was the removal of the cyrilic from the Rade Serbedzija page (explanation, not an excuse:). In any case, I am sorry and I look forward to colaborating with you on articles related to South Slavs, for even if we disagree, I truly value your contributions and open-mindedness. Best regards, --Bora Nesic 04:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

p.s. If you or anybody you colaborate with on Wikipedia knows anything on the topic of Praxis school and the Praxis philosophers such as Milan Kangrga, we could really use some help on those pages. Thx.

Ljetopis Popa Dukljanina

Dakle, mogu ti poslati cijelu stvar. Nevjerovatno je zanimljiva - ali i velika. On navodi da koristi iz 753 De Regno Sclavorum koga naziva predanjem i naglasava da je dio o Svetom Konstantinu crkveno predanje, a za ostale stvari jemci. Jedino mi se ne svidja to sto u mnogo slucajeva ispada da je sin zivio nekada cak 200 godina prije oca. :D Dakle, napisano je na osnovu strucnog istrazivanja - ali izuzetno lose napisano, a ja mislim da je sve pokvario onaj koji je djelo preveo na Latinski jezik - koristio je pig Latin. :)

Dakle, Grgur je govorio sa nadahnutim patriotizmom i romanticarskim nacionalizmom, a samo djelo je na neki nacin bila propaganda - za gradjane Drzave koja rapidno izumire. Djelo je pojacavalo neovisnost Duklje od bilo kojih zemalja i posebno se uvijek koncentrisalo na Povijest Grada Bara - Barsku bitku je predivno opisao. Poslijednje redove je Grgur napisao dok je vojska Stefana Nemanje opsedala grad, a i sam Grgur je izgleda bio mocna figura tadasnjega Bara koja je imala veliku ulogu u odbrani i ocuvanju samostalnosti grada.

Stefan Nemanja ga je prognao iz Barske stolice, i ona ce nekoliko godina ostati potpuno pusta dok je Vukan Nemanjic ne objavi na zalaganje Pape. Grgur je izgleda otisao na zapad - pa se zato i tamo ocuvalo to dijelo. Takodjer, puna titula mu je bila Grgur, nadbiskup Barski, primat Srbije. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:22, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Image

Hi, Image:Linux.vollwaschmittel.jpg is not PD, because photographers own their photos, even if the photo is boring. :-) So we need the photographer in order to keep the image. Stan 03:05, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

the map of Western Europe

Hi, I am Flamarande. First, I want to thank you for the the map "Western Europe". It is a good piece of work, and I used as soon as I found it, in the article Western Europe. Alas, a "user with sharp eyes" noticed that Slovenia (between italy and Austria, northeastern corner) is painted in yellow. According to the article (which I reformed, and therefore agree with) "Western Europe" describes mainly the countries which were not part of eastern/communist bloc. Soo... could you improve the map, please? I would be much obliged, and hope for a answer. Thanks Flamarande 13:11, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Pro-Croat propaganda corrected--role of Roman Catholic church in genocide made clear

The Bleiburg massacre occurred near to the end of World War II, during May 1945. It is named after the village of Bleiburg on the Austrian-Slovenian border, near where the massacre began.

It involved mass murder of Croatian soldiers and civilians who were fleeing from the defeated Independent State of Croatia, an associate of Nazi Germany.

Although a still undefined number of Croatian soldiers died during a series of battles and skirmishes, it is generally accepted that the vast portion of violent deaths were the result of executions that lasted at least two weeks after the cessation of hostilities. The victims were Croatian soldiers and civilians, executed without trial as an act of vengeance for the crimes committed by the Ustaše regime in Croatian-controlled territories during World War II — frequently in overtly gruesome manner (mass rape and subsequent killing by stoning of Catholic Croat whores and beheading Croatian disarmed soldiers, albeit too few to make a real difference.

Emigration by Croatian Nazis to Canada and Australia with the assistance of the Roman Catholic church unfortunately could not be stopped.

DITTO

Ditto to the last comments; as an Irishman I am embarrassed that fellow Catholics like the Croatian people could do such things.

AodhBlathmac@eirelover.net 22:25, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the above "editor" is agreeing with himself, being one and the same person as 69.31.83.202 and the charming Aisling O'Cuiv (see this talk page's history) - both sock-puppets of Rms125a@hotmail.com. "Aodh" is neither an Irish man (unless he's "Irish-American"), and if he is a catholic, he, and the other socks of Rms125a, have shown a deep, deep, hatred of all things catholic. See Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Rms125a@hotmail.com. Camillus (talk) 22:36, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Joy, are you back?

Are you back? Also, I apologize for the misunderstanding caused on Red Croatia.

U potpunosti se slazem s tvojom rijecju. Ne znam u cemu je problem... Jedino mi smeta sto jos stoji da je Pagania/Narenta dio Crvene Hrvatske, kada to nigdje nije spomenuto.

Bog! --HolyRomanEmperor 13:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Eh; ja koristim moj nas pozdrav na wikiju vec mjesecima, a ti se sada cudis. :-D Hmm, pa vidi, oni koji prihvacaju postojanje Crvene Hrvatske garantiraju nepostojanje Paganije, pa zato ne bih kombinirao da pravim zabunu. No, ti idi kojim redom zelis. Ja cu cekati tvoje odgovore u vezi Rudjera, Ustava i Dubrovackih Srba do trenutka kada SCG udje u Europsku Uniju. :-D Gdje si bio do sada? Nisu valjda neki zdravstveni problemi (Mir mi je ukazao na to...).

A iskreno da ti kazem, rekli su da sam srpski Cetnkicki nacionalista (Emir Arven), da sam Srbomrzac i slicno (Nikola Smolenski), da previse volim Hrvato ko sto je Ivo Andric previse volio Srbe, da mrzim Hrvatske ustase iz sveg srca; .... pa mislim da ipak nije problem u meni. :D

P. S.

Stvarno bi trebao arhivirati ovu stranicu... --HolyRomanEmperor 20:25, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Survey

I am conducting a survey on Wikipedia and would like to invite you to participate in the study. I've posted a message on wikien-l, but here is the link again in case you are not subscribed to that list-serv. Thanks a lot for your time! --Mermes 01:30, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Re:

Pa, ja se sad speciziram za taj dio Povijesti; valjda nece biti problema... Kada god nadjes vremena, molim te da pogledas sukob o Rudjeru Boskovicu (na Talk:Rudjer_Boskovic). Ponovo je heat ta clanka. Zaista pocinjem da mislim da nema kraja.

Bog! --HolyRomanEmperor 15:36, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: eto me

Pa, ja se sad speciziram za taj dio Povijesti; valjda nece biti problema... Kada god nadjes vremena, molim te da pogledas sukob o Rudjeru Boskovicu (na Talk:Rudjer_Boskovic). Ponovo je heat ta clanka. Zaista pocinjem da mislim da nema kraja.

Bog! --HolyRomanEmperor 15:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

honorable member

you have been withdrawn.

COME BACK!!!!!111111 :) --VKokielov 06:30, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello Joy,

I very much liked your Eastern Europe map. I would like to use an enlarged version of it, but the file does not allow a lot of enlargement without getting distorted. Do you have a higher resolution version and if so, is there any way I can get hold of it? Thanks in advance!

Manuela

Eastern Europe map

Hello Joy,

I very much liked your Eastern Europe map. I would like to use an enlarged version of it, but the file does not allow a lot of enlargement without getting distorted. Do you have a higher resolution version and if so, is there any way I can get hold of it? Thanks in advance!

Manuela

Eng, Srb & Cro wikipedias on the history of S. Dalmatia.

You're becomming very popular: [4] :)))) --HolyRomanEmperor 18:20, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Eh, ma nema veze. Samo ti pokazujem koliko si slavan. :) Ja pravim jedan dug wikibreak (napisat cu jos samo nekoliko stranica o Trpimirovicima i Domagojicima, pa ti mi gledaj contributions i prepravi kada se pojave :) Previse stresa su mi nacinili ovi RfA-i. Jedan je skroz pokrenut ispocetka zbog vandalizma, pa tu su i POV-glasovi, itd. nikako da predje 66% support. :O) Mislim da nece uspeti, i zatrazio sam da me ostave na miru, ali ovi administratori koju se me nominovali inzistiraju da sve ide svojim tokom, pa ne daju. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:20, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... what's wrong with a list of famous Croatians? It was on Croatia's article once... --HolyRomanEmperor 14:46, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Roger. --HolyRomanEmperor 11:15, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Translation

Hi Joy. I've created the article Još Hrvatska ni propala. However, I can't seem to find an English translation of the song to include in it. If possible, could you translate it? I could try it myself, but I'd rather not butcher parts of it :-/. Anyways, if you're not interested, just tell me and I'll find someone else to do it. Thanks in advance. --Thewanderer 23:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Name of the Homeland war

You might want to join the discussion here: [5]. I'm sorry for disturbance if you are not interested the discussion. --Dijxtra 12:36, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Just a question... (Yugoslavs)

Hi. Few days ago I deleted a link "Soviet people" from article "Yugoslavs" because in my opinion it didn't fit in there. Soviet people would refer to peoples in former Soviet Union. It seems naturally for that link to be on, for example, Estonians,Georgians, etc. Slavic peoples yes, but soviet!? Except that, the reason I deleted it is that it may cause confusion among poeple in USA or anywhere among people who don't know the circumstances in Europe so well. (I know that from expirience of a friend that was in the USA for a year). Obviously, you had a reason for putting link back, but I don't see it, so if you could just explain it, please. No hard feelings...

Ok, thanks for such a quick response. Bye.

Pitanje...

Halo, ja mislim da je van pameti da ima clanak Kozarska Dubica, koji je kompletna kopija clanka Bosanska Dubica. Ja sam masivno dodao teksta za "article" Bosanska Dubica. Moje mjesto rodenja je Bosanska Dubica zato znam mnogo informacije. Ja sam da se napravi redirect sa Kozarska Dubica na Bosanska Dubica (Kao sto je i bilo). Clanak Bosanska Dubica je od 2005 godine, a kopija Kozarska Dubica je od juce.

Hvala, Kseferovic

Evo ja sam uskočio pa vratio stvar na staro stanje i umergeovao Joyeve promjene. Neću da sudim koje je "pravo" ime, za to postoji WP:RM. Duja 22:34, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Da Silva i nacionalnost

Pogledaj koja je praksa na drugim stranicama Wikipedije. Igračima koji igraju za reprezentaciju druge zemlje od one u kojoj su rođeni stoji nacionalnost te zemlje. Zbog čega je to tako? Zbog toga što je zapravo jedina bitna stvar to što je igrač svojim igranjem za neku reprezentaciju na službenoj utakmici doživotno vezan uz tu reprezentaciju i više je ne može promijeniti. Znam da je to ne samo praksa na Wikipediji nego valjda ne svim medijima i stranicama vezanima uz nogometne klubove. Budući da nisam neki veliki nogometni fan sad kao što sam bio prije, namučio sam se da nađem primjer igrača koji sad igra nogomet a igra za reprezentaciju države u kojoj nije rođen. Imaš link na talk page-u od Dinama.

Dakle, ne radi se o tome šta je fer nego šta je službeno u FIFA-i. A službeno je da Silva Hrvat ma kolko to čudno zvučalo. Pozdrav! Jakiša Tomić 22:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Ajde dobro, stvarno ima tih katalonskih zastava kolko god hoćeš pa možemo stavit i dvije kod da Silve. Inače, nije poanta u tome da li je on promijenio državljanstvo (nije opće ni poanta u državljanstvu) nego u tome da znaš čiji je on reprezentativac. Ostale informacije su nebitne za nekog nogometnog gledatelja. Naravno, na stranici o da Silvi piše sve.

Da ne bi bio krivo shvaćen, ne mislim da će ikome naškodit ako stavimo zastavu Brazila kod imena da Silve, ali kad ja vidim dvije zastave kod imena igrača pretpostavljam da ima dvojno državljanstvo te dvije države i da nije još zaigrao za ijednu od tih reprezentacija. Bar ja tako na to gledam.

Inače, kad si mi već ukazao na Barcelonu (i na zastavice Katalonije koje su stvarno smiješne u kontekstu nogometa), kako bi ja mogao doznat čija je ideja to sa zastavicama uz imena igrača (općenito na stranicama klubova na Wikipediji) pa da se raspitam je li namjera bila da se kaže čiji je igrač (šta će reć reprezentacija i šta ja mislim da je ispravno) ili i otkud je igrač? Pitam jer ovaj kupus i nekonzistentnost nema smisla. Jakiša Tomić 23:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Skalić

Joy it is obična izdajica! Ili pak teški neznalica i ignorant kad kao netko iz Hr. dopuštaš i potpomažeš da se oko Skalića, koji je Hrvat i ništa drugo, stvara jalove kontroverze a sve zbog gluposti i ignorancije Anglo-saksonskih enciklopedija, koje Skalića konstantno trpaju pod Nijemca, Mađara i tko zna još pod šta. Samo da ne bude Hrvat- pobogu, kako bi bilo moguće da je neki tamo Hrvat izmislio takav pojam kao što je enciklopedija!!!

Pavao Skalić je nedvojbeno Hrvat, čemu bi ove neznalice iz VB i SAD-a trebalo poučiti, a ne potpomagati i daljnje ponavljanje gluposti kako se radi o Nijemcu i Mađaru. Na taj se način nikada ne će ispraviti takva glupost, koja se nažalost nalazi u mnogim stranim enciklopedijama! Razmisli malo o tome!

Rens via Pula

Trebalo je izbrisati čitavu referencu o njegovoj nacionalnosti- pobogu pa to je apsolutna glupost- umjetno stvaranje kontroverze!!! Neka se naša strana gospoda nauće već jednom da su neki podaci, kod njih u enciklopedijama NETOČNE BUDALAŠTINE!!! Oni imaju problema sa svojim zdravim razumom, neznanjem elementarnih činjenica, ali se usuđuju dodavati nekakve priloge na tekstu o enciklopediji i o Skaliću, dok se meni prijeti blokiranjem kada brišem te gluposti! A ONDA IM I TI IDEŠ JOŠ POMAGATI!!! PA GDJE JE TU ZDRAV RAZUM?!

SKALIĆEVA NACIONALNOST JE KONTROVERZA SAMO OVIM DEBILIMA SA STRANE WIKIPEDIJE!!! Zbog čega je i tebi, nije mi jasno!!!??? Zašto si vratio dio o nacionalnosti?! TO SU UBACILI OVI IDIOTI JUČER- I TO ŠTO SU ONI DODAVALI BI SE MOGLO SMATRATI VANDALIZMOM!

Rens

Sve što navodiš već sam jučer učinio. Argumentirao sam s njima preko 3 SATA, pružao im razumne argumente, lingvističke dokaze, činjenice, web stranice kao izvore, ali oni su se i dalje držali slijepo svojih "svetih" enciklopedija, umjesto da su pokušali barem malo razmisliti logikom zdravog razuma. Dakle, dok smo došli do toga da se ja zestim protekli su sati i sati uzaludnog debatiranja- objašnjavanja nekoga tko je upučeniji, ali nije bilo dobre volje da se malo razmisli i revidira očito krive informacije. Što mi ostaje drugo, nego pretpostaviti da je opet riječ o tipičnoj zapadnjačkoj aroganciji i egocentrizmu. Nadalje, ukoliko želiš, možeš im ti ponovno pokušati objasniti neke stvari, ali se ne nadaj puno u to da ćeš pronaći nekoga tko tamo zdravorazumski rezonira!

Ali, mislim da u svakom slučaju treba ukloniti podnaslov "Nationality" jer je čitava ta kontroverza utemeljena na gluposti i netoćnim podacima nekih Anglo-saksonskih i zapadnjačkih enciklopedija. Umjesto toga bi bolje bilo da se navede da u istim enciklopedijama (navesti ih) postoje netočni i zastarjeli podatci o nacionalnosti Paula Pavla Skalića i argumentirati zbog čega su netočni!

Srednja Europa

Dakle Shallout alias Joy Hrvatska je područje rubno Srednjoj Europi?! Pa ti stari nemaš pojma ne samo o povijesti (što vidim iz nekih drugih razgovora) nego i sa elementarnim zemljopisom. Svrstavaš jednu Srbiju, pa čak i Ukrajinu koja je daleko već na istoku prema Rusiji, u isti koš! Srbija osim krajnjeg sjevernog dijela, svojom glavninom nikada ni u kojem kontekstu nije pripadala Srednjoj Europi. Štoviše, stoljećima je dio onog istog "istoka" koji je više puta odigrao izrazito negativnu- destruktivnu ulogu upravo u pokušaju negacije svega onoga što je ta ista Srednja Europa. Naprotiv, Hrvatska je od svojih samih početaka uvijek na ovaj ili onaj način bila dio zapadnog kruga, sjeverni dio Srednje Europe, južni Mediterana. Ali je čak i južni dio usljed kulturnih veza i političkih prilika ( Dalmacija i Istra- dijelovi srednjoeuropskog Habsburškog carstva!) bio pod izrazitim srednjoeuropskim utjecajem (uz, naravno, dominantni mediteranski). Dakle, Hrvatska je barem svojom polovicom uvijek pripadala Srednjoj Europi, dok je drugi dio bio pod snažnim utjecajem iste. To nije zanemariva činjenica! Dakle Hrvatska je gotovo ravnopravni dio Srednje Europe, a ne nekakva granična zemlja!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.152.209.97 (talk • contribs) 09:42, 8 May 2006

Buduci da se nisi ulogirao i koristis privremenu IP adresu, odgovorit cu ovdje.

Ne znam tocno kako si to tocno zakljucio da ja ne smatram da je Hrvatska dijelom srednje Europe. Mozda zato sto u uvodu u clanak Croatia inzistiram da se spomene "bordering on" i srednja i jugoistocna i juzna?

Ako je to u pitanju, molim te shvati da nije poanta u rijeci bordering, nego da je poanta u spominjanju sva tri utjecaja a ne samo jednog, jer je bilo ljudi koju si inzistirali na spominjanju samo jednog (pogadjas - balkanskog).

I pozeljno bi bilo da s malo vise postovanja pristupas sugovorniku - netko drugi bi samo ignorirao cijeli komentar zbog onih besmislenih uvreda gore. --Joy [shallot] 21:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

fans/Pratyush

Hi Joy

I am doing a project whereby I am interviewing 32 fans - one from each country ahead of the football world cup. Would you be knowledgeable enough to answer questions on Croatia? If yes, would you be willing? If not, then could you suggest some one else from Croatia?

Do email me at pratyushkhaitan@gmail.com

Thanks, Pratyush

Saints Wikiproject

I noted that you have been contributing to articles about saints. I invite you to join the WikiProject Saints.

You are invited to participate in Saints WikiProject, a project dedicated to developing and improving articles about saints. We are currently discussing prospects for the project. Your input would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks! --evrik 18:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Smile!

HolyRomanEmperor has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!

Istrian villages

Hi Joy, I noticed your edits to some Istrian stubs I was working on a while back. In Croatia, when can a village be considered a town? What number of inhabitants does it need to have or is there any other criteria? Also, are Opcine always rural municipalities? Thanks in advance, E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 21:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Please read the fine descriptions at List of cities in Croatia, Category:Cities, towns and villages in Croatia, Category:Towns in Croatia, etc. Općina just means municipality, so the answer to the third question is basically yes. I have preserved the notion of "small town" for many relatively urbanized villages, but in the categorization, they simply can't be considered towns, so they go to the village category. --Joy [shallot] 23:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I cannot read Serbo-Croatian (oh well, with the exception of some greatly embarrasing tourist phrasebook bits :o)), so I work mainly from English translations, which are sometimes inconsistent in their usage. Cheers, E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 21:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Recent edits

Please don't re submit my old commenst as I have deleted them for a reason. I don't have the factual info to back them up for now. They are my comments so i can delete them. I have now registerd while before I wasnt thats all.

Bog i Hrvati Evergreen Montenegro1 22:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Iam Montenegrin but I do like all the history on the former Yugoslavia in particular that of Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia. Its funny to read the debates over origin etc... What I will say is this we're all from Africa or Adam and Eve so I guess the debate is pointless. Most of the former Yugoslavia is like a Pizza...you will never be able to get all the slices. We're all too mixed. Eg Petkovic, Petkovich, Petkowski, Petkovski, Pekov, Petkova..same name and found in all Slav lands so no point pointing out were different.

Take Care Evergreen Montenegro1 23:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Drniš

About your edit I can say only this: "Keep up the good work!" Jakiša Tomić 14:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I kwow this person was not "plain wrong". I just like the way you put all stuff in the right context. Jakiša Tomić 18:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Mapa

Moja zamisao je da clanak Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja jednostavno mora imati mapu - neovisno od drugih clanak ili bilo kakve politicke propagande.

A sto se tice Hrvoja Vukcica - ah, the Father of Croatian Herzegovina & Duke of Saint Sava - by the end of the following week - I guarrantee that you will have a full House of Kosaca with every single person having its own article (check out the House of Kulinic in the meantime...) Feel free to make any other historical person wish whenever you want ;) HolyRomanEmperor 18:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Pogledaj pomen Crvenih Hrvata na History of Balkans. HolyRomanEmperor 18:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Dakle - zapocinjem House of Hrvatinić. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Jedno pitanje: Bi li bilo pogresno ako stavim "Croatian dynasty"? --HolyRomanEmperor 20:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Evo, kako ti se svidja? Zapoceo sam i Vukca Hrvatinića. :) --HolyRomanEmperor 21:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Template:Yugoslavia-stub

Hi Joy, I noticed you added the crvena petokraka flag to this stub. The thing is that as for Category:Yugoslavia stubs this was meant to be for stub articles relating to Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia but also for Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes/Kingdom of Yugoslavia. So it had neither red star nor the royal coat of arms. Let me know what you think. E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 09:29, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Fixed now. I saw the FRY flag and instantly changed it because of the nomenclature - the tricolor was indeed the same but it was confusing to see it. --Joy [shallot] 11:06, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks. E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 16:31, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I noticed you are using Category:Second Yugoslavia. Will you be setting a similar range od stubs too? It sounds like a winner to me (i.e. SFRY and Kingdom of Yugoslavia separate stubs?). My only concern is that there may be less than 60 stubs as per guidelines. Thanks, --E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 18:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so, exactly because of that reason - there are probably fewer than 60 stubs per each category. --Joy [shallot] 20:08, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Apology

other people's comments Please do not remove other people's comments from talk pages as you did on Talk:Neo-Nazism in Croatia. Once comments become old and irrelevant, they can be archived, but those comments were neither. Please read the Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. --Joy [shallot] 11:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Marinko" Sorry about this, obviously made an error - I had no intention of deleting any comments & wasn't aware that I had until you posted on my talk. Is there anything that I need to do to reverse the error?

Novi članci

Pozdrav. Primetio sam da na Vikipediji ne postoje neki važni članci vezani za hrvatsku istoriju. Pošto ja nemam dovoljno podataka da bi ih napisao, predlažem ti da ih ti napišeš:

1. Prvo treba napisati članak Kingdom of Croatia po ugledu na Kingdom of Hungary. Članak nikako ne bi bio isto što i History of Croatia ili Medieval Croatian state (na koji sada ide kao redirekt). Članak "Kingdom of Croatia" bio bi o političkom entitetu koji se tako zvao u jednom delu istorije, što nije isto kao istorija današnje Hrvatske (History of Croatia) ili srednjovekovne Hrvatske (Medieval Croatian state), jer pojam Kingdom of Croatia prevazilazi ove pojmove.
2. Drugi članak bi bio Banovina of Croatia (medieval), o srednjovekovnoj hrvatskoj banovini u okviru Ugarske. Sadašnji članak Banovina of Croatia govori o hrvatskoj banovini u okviru Jugoslavije, ali bi trebao da postoji članak i o ovoj srednjovekovnoj.
3. i treći članak koji treba napisati je Pannonian Croatia o Panonskoj Hrvatskoj državi. Na primer postoji članak o vladaru ove države (Ljudevit Posavski), ali o samoj državi ne. Moja ideja je da treba da postoji više članaka o istorijskim državama i pokrajinama sa područja bivše Jugoslavije, koji ne moraju biti ne znam koliko opširni, ali dovoljno je da postoje i da pružaju neku informaciju o temi. PANONIAN (talk) 16:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Stvarno je vreme da napraviš arhivu od ove stranice. Ogromna je. :) PANONIAN (talk) 16:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Da ne otvorimo peticiju???? :D Dobro evo: ja sam ZA. Joy! Vrijeme je. Ne moras CIJELU stranicu arhivirati, ali tek odgrizi barem vrh, da bi bilo mijesto za disanje. --VKokielov 17:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

A da ga spamujemo sve dok je ne skrati? Na smjenu, po vremenskim zonama: kad zavrsimo mi s Balkana, VKokielov & američka ekipa se uključuje—neće moći disati od "You got new messages" ;;) Duja 10:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

I hadn't realised how smart you had been on the handball disambiguation thing, you have saved hours and hours of time. I may now have a chance to reword the Slatina article! LeeG 22:11, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Neo-Nazism in Croatia

I have done a rewrite of the "Events and issues connected (actual or alleged) to neo-Fascism" in Croatia section & reverted the POV check tag that user:Purger took off. Do you have tie to review my update for NPOV.

Cheers, croatian_quoll 03:11, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

There

Archived. --HolyRomanEmperor 17:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Reverted. I like it this way, I get to see the entire history, and besides, people who wish to insult^Wtalk to me need to pay a token price first! :) --Joy [shallot] 19:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Ministarka

Evo, sada su pljuvali na ovu hrvatsku ministarku poljoprivrede ovdje. Reakcija medju narodom je peticija da se ukine i legalno zabrani SRS u Srbiji. ;) Je li bilo slicnih situacija u Hr donedavno? --HolyRomanEmperor 17:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Sto mislis...

...o Crnoj Gori? --HolyRomanEmperor 18:46, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

OK. Sori za Archive - Nego, ima li koji ministar u hr Srbin, Bosnjak, Musliman ili slicno? P. S. sto mislis o CG? --HolyRomanEmperor 19:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Pa jes, bolje je - sve su to Crnogorci srijedili. Slobodan Milosevic i njegovi su Crnogorci, pa ne zaboravimo i Radovana Karadzica i druge. ;) Zelja za nezavisnu Crnu Goru se pojavila 2000 godine, kada oni vise nisu bili na vlasti u Beogradu (dosli Vojislav Kostunica i Zoran Djindjic). Onda 2003 naivni Srbijanci im dadose opet vlast - misleci da ce se vratiti u normalu - a lukaviji su oni, slijedeci prijedsednik bi vjerovatno bio Srbijanac, pa ne bi oni dali. ;) Svetozar Marovic je bio 3 godine predsjednik drzave na koju je pljuvao i za cije se rasparcivanje zalagao (gdje to ima? Stipe Mesic je izdrzao samo nekoliko dana - a kamoli godina ;). Kada bi Srbija nesto ucinila dobro (haski zlocninci), hvalio bi zajednicu, a za lose Srbijino - krivio bi nju a ne sebe. Kada bi Crna Gora nesto dobro uradila, nju bi hvalio - a lose okrivljavao na Srbiju opet. :D --HolyRomanEmperor 19:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Postoji jedan vic-strip ovdje. Srbija (zemljopisna predstava) lezi na fotelji kod psihijatra i govori: "Doktore, imam problem - ne uspevaju mi dugotrajne veze!" i drzi se za celo placuci. :))) --HolyRomanEmperor 19:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Mislim, Hrvati su mnogo naivni sto vjeruju. Za vrijeme rata on sam (licno) je napadao Dubrovnik; izjavio je da mrzi (i vise ne igra) sah zbog ustaske sahovnice - i da se jednom za svagda moraju uspostaviti granice Crne Gore prema zapadu - a ne ove Boljsevicke tvorevine. Onda je ubedjivao da je Milosevic los, ali da buducnost Crne Gore lezi s Srbijom za svagda. Posle toga ponovo mijenja politiku. A sada kada cujem da Hrvati krive Srbijance govoreci kako su natjerali jadne Crnogorce - jos ispase "jadni". :))) --HolyRomanEmperor 17:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Stepinac censorship

You would be well advised to read the discussion carefully yourself. Removing Budak from the explanation of reversal of war crime sentence (which is clearly political when the context is given) is censorship. As for what rant is that is clearly subjective. To me, all this story about Croatian righteous who saved the Jews is rant, while you might call exposition of context in which this war criminal was rehabilitated a rant. That is POV issue, and it is not resolved by deleting information you dislike and calling it rant. Maayaa 00:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Ministri

...sto ne odgovori u vezi njih? A postovi? Pa procitaj ono sto je DUja rekao i sve ce ti biti jasno. :) --HolyRomanEmperor 14:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Neonazism in Croatia

Regarding what you said at article discussion Neonazism in Croatia for the user (anonimous) 4.*... (that is not me, but likely Purger) - you said you were close to blocking him!? So, you are an admin, and threaten to block people in disputes you are involved in, and that on the basis of POV. Dont you think it is against wiki policies? Once you are involved in a dispute, you should not abuse (or even use) your admin powers - that is not what these are meant for. So, please state clearly - are you willing to ban people for holding POV other than yours, or even people that are involved in edit wars with you? If you are, say it clearly, so we can then seek a comment on that attitude. If you are not, withdraw your threats to Purger! Maayaa 13:09, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Pitao si me šta mislim o ovome (verovatno o ovome što si pretio da ćeš blokirati korisnika, pretpostavljam). Pa znaš kako, ja zato nisam ni hteo da se kandidujem za admina (iako su mi predlagali), jer bih došao u iskušenje da blokiram korisnike sa kojima sam u sporu. U stvari kad si admin, onda moraš da paziš koga blokiraš, pa čak i ako nekog sa kim si u sporu blokiraš opravdano, ne možeš biti siguran jesi li imao pravo da ga blokiraš ili ne. :) Ako pitaš mene da li bi bilo opravdano da blokiraš ovog korisnika ili ne, ne mogu ti reći, jer ne poznajem dobro pravila u vezi blokiranja korisnika. Po mom mišljenju, taj čovek te jednostavno zajebava, a ako je u skladu sa pravilima da nekog blokiraš zbog toga, onda treba raditi po pravilima. Sam članak je i napisan sa ciljem da predstavi Hrvatsku u lošem svetlu, a da li se od tog članka može dobiti NPOV verzija, u to čisto sumnjam. Uostalom gomila je sličnih POV članaka u vezi sa bivšom Jugoslavijom, vezanih za ratove i nacinalističke ideologije. Možda bi trebalo zamoliti neke neutralne admine koji nisu sa naših prostora da se pozabave tim stvarima.

Mda, ja o ovome razmisljam vec duze vrijeme. Da napravimo neki task force sastavljen od admina koji nisu s ovih prostora da uvede reda medju... nervoznije korisnike sa Balkana. Stvarno vec situacija poprima ramjere rata. --Dijxtra 18:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Što se tiče konkretnog slučaja, zamoli nekog neutralnog admina da ti pomogne u vezi spora sa tim anonimnim korisnikom. Inače, ako ne arhiviraš ovu stranicu, ja ću ti je arhivirati kad navratim sledeći put. Ozbiljno ti kažem. :) PANONIAN (talk) 16:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I s ovim o arhiviranju se slazem :-) --Dijxtra 18:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

To answer your questiton: I think you are beating your head against the wall. But I also think that you're supposed to beat it a bit longer so you can claim you were so incredibly full of good faith. And then just proceed with your common sence. You are an admin because the community has trust in your actions. Keep that in mind. --Dijxtra 18:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Pa kažem ti, ako te grize savest, zamoli drugog admina da razmotri situaciju i da blokira korisnika ako ima osnova za to. Inače mrzi me da ti arhiviram stranicu, a pošto mrzi i tebe, nećeš se ljutiti. :) Inače nisam baš 100 posto shvatio da li me pitaš za mišljenje u vezi tog anonimnog korisnika ili u vezi spora oko sadržaja članka. Što se tiče sadržaja, ja ne volim baš previše da se bavim sadržajem takvih članaka kao što su "Neo-Nazism in Croatia", "Bosnian genocide", "Yugoslav wars", itd. Neću više da se bavim ni pitanjem statusa Kosova u člancima, dok se to pitanje ne reši. Mislim da je korisnije raditi na kvalitetu "ozbiljnih" članaka nego ulaziti u rasprave sa ljudima kojima je cilj širenje propagande a ne pisanje ozbiljnih članaka. PANONIAN (talk) 21:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

If you have not lost your motivation to improve such articles (and it is totally understandable if you have), you can also help with Neo-Nazism#Neo-Nazism_in_Croatia. --Zmaj 06:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

If you have time, pls review my rewrite of this article for NPOV. Note I have requested two other people to do the same just to get a cross-section of peer review. Thank you croatian_quoll 10:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Please help...

To answer: You are just beating your head against the wall with people who don't accept compromise. There, satisfied? :)

I know how you feel. Just try to read the talk page of the Mehmed-paša Sokolović article. I have barely concluded the Orthodox Serbian or Orthodox Bosniak compromise - even though this altogether is very silly. Just look over its history and talk page, and you'll notice how Emir Arven treats "what Bosniaks think" as highly correct and relevant and what the whole world says "a Serbian fairy tale" (quote). He has pushed me so far that I stopped assuming good faith and even started to be slightly aggressive. This altogether has (while you were gone) ticked off quitte a number of Serbian nationalists (annons, etc.) who are simply frustrated that Rudjer Boskovic is presented as "claimed by Vojislav Seselj to be of Serbian descent" - while so little (even a lot less than in Rudjer's case) for Mehmed is sufficient for such claims. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikibreak

Hi! I'm attemting to make a wikibreak, at least during working hours :). Could you please block this IP for a month? Please. Ante P.

Well, I always have that IP when I'm logged. Does it means it's only mine? Ante P.

Alija bi bio ponosan

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		For restlessly doing what needs to be done, even if it is boring, repetitive and uninteresing. (Provoked by your recent categorising work) --Dijxtra 16:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Good for you :-) BTW, feel free to dump it to your user page for everyone to see it (I avoid messing with other people's user pages). --Dijxtra 16:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

from Mumba1234

Hi,

Dont blame me because the admin of this site are not smart enough to properly ban someone being as this is at LEAST the 30th time i have had my ip blocked for between 1 hour to 1 day allowing me to come back the next day, heck some times they only ban my username allowing me to come back within minutes. I consider my self as a sort of learning tool to the admin of this site so that maybe they will relize that no one is going to take there blocks seriously if we can simply come back within a sort period of time every time we are blocked.

S&M ;)

Did you mean ceci? Or did you mean celui-la? ;) Careful; Babel knows to haunt. I wouldn't say it if I didn't know it first-hand.

It isn't correctness I'm after, but the general effect. Be careful when you shorten that way. It's the first thing I thought of. :D --VKokielov 04:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it's just because you have a dirty mind? :-)) Duja 08:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe, or maybe it's the media. But in any event, it's not my distinction. --VKokielov 15:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Wate wate CNN. CNN?! As in, they called Serbia and Montenegro S&M?

That means America hasn't taken over the world yet. Congratulations. :D

Whatever the case, the question vanishes anyway, because very soon they will forget S&M altogether and switch to either Serbia or Yugoslavia for the "historical entity". --VKokielov 01:13, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Hrvatski ili mađarski nazivi

E vidi, nešto sam razmišljao oko naziva članaka o starim hrvatskim županijama: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Historical_counties_of_Croatia Nazivi članaka su sada na mađarskom ali mislim da bi trebali da budu na hrvatskom. Pogledaj ovo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Counties_in_the_Kingdom_of_Hungary Tu možeš videti da nazivi članaka o starim mađarskim županijama sa područja današnje Slovačke nisu na mađarskom, već na slovačkom. Tim pre bi trebali da koristimo hrvatske nazive za županije sa područja Hrvatske-Slavonije, koja je bila autonomna u okviru Ugarske i gde je hrvatski jezik bio službeni. Nasuprot tome, Slovačka nije bila autonomna niti je slovački bio službeni jezik u pomenutim županijama, ali nazivi ovih članaka su na slovačkom. Šta misliš o ovome? PANONIAN (talk) 23:02, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Pa u jednom od istorijskih atlasa koji imam (ovaj je izdat 1970 u bivšoj Jugoslaviji), županije se zovu ovako: varaždinska, križevačka, požeška, virovitička, sremska, zagrebačka, modruško-riječka, ličko-krbavska. Naravno, sremska županija bi pre bila srijemska u originalu (ovaj atlas je ipak izdat u Beogradu). Dakle nazivi naših članaka mogli bi biti: Varaždin, Križevci, Požega, Virovitica, Srijem, Zagreb, Modruš-Rijeka, Lika-Krbava (ovaj zadnji se već tako zove). Srijem bi mogao biti i Syrmia, jer se i članak o sadašnjoj hrvatskoj županiji zove Vukovar-Syrmia County, mada ja nemam ništa protiv ni da koristimo naziv Srijem. Pored glavnog naziva kod naslova bi u zagradu mogli napisati nešto kao "former county" ili slično. Ja nemam sada vremena da se time više bavim i da učestvujem u razgovoru na Talk:Administrative divisions of the Kingdom of Hungary, ali nadam se da ti ovo što sam napisao može pomoći da ti nešto uradiš sa tim. Naravno ukoliko imaš volje i vremena da se time baviš :) PANONIAN (talk) 23:30, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Pa šta fali ovoj literaturi koju sam ti naveo? :) Inače, napisao sam komentar na Talk:Administrative divisions of the Kingdom of Hungary, a možda ću kasnije predložiti i glasanje o promeni naziva članaka (Ipak se sa ovim treba nešto uraditi). PANONIAN (talk) 23:49, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Inače zanimljivo je da članak Lika-Krbava već ima hrvatsko ime, jer je pravilan mađarski naziv za tu županiju Lika-Korbava. Ako se niko ne bude bunio na moj predlog na Talk:Administrative divisions of the Kingdom of Hungary, ja ću preimenovati i druge članke o hrvatskim županijama za nekoliko dana (da dam prvo ljudima vremena da prodiskutuju o tome). PANONIAN (talk) 00:14, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Again Srijem issue.
Tell me, why hasn't been named the Vukovar-Syrmia County according to the same rule as Srem District?
Either we should have article renamed into Vukovar-Srijem County (so both parts of Syrmia have names in official language, named after Croatian and Serbian, respectively), or we should have article Srem District renamed into Syrmia District.
We can't have cases like these. There's one rule for all. Sincerely, Kubura 14:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Template

Nego, imam i jednu molbu. Pogledaj ovo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Portal Ako se razumeš u to, da li bi mogao da otkloniš grešku koja postoji tu? Template izgleda dobro na brovserima Internet Explorer i Firefox, ali na Operi izgleda užasno (na Operi je prelomljen na dva dela i levi deo šablona (gde piše portal) se nalazi u desnom delu stranice a desni deo šablona (gde se nalazi slika) je potpuno odvojen od levog dela i nalazi se u levom delu stranice. Pored toga, taj otkinuti desni deo šablona zaklanja i linkove u tekstu na člancima gde se nalazi). To bi stvarno trebalo popraviti, a ako se ti ne razumeš u to, da li znaš kome da se obratim da bi to popravio? Napisao sam o problemu na stranici za razgovor tamo, ali nikog nije briga. PANONIAN (talk) 00:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

AGAIN

Hey, hey, smiri se - postoje ljudi koje ne mozes ubijediti niusta - ali postoje i oni koji su razumljivi. :D --HolyRomanEmperor 15:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

A, pa mislio sam na Luku. :) Imas li vremena? Treba jedan problem da rijesim, no nemam mnogo uspijeha (odma' da te uputim - Jugonacionalizam). --HolyRomanEmperor 19:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Pa, neka - ide za sada dobro. Ali mog'o bi procitati Talk:Stephen_I_of_Bosnia i ostati kao posmatrac dok traje. Ako nastavi lose, ukljuci se. --HolyRomanEmperor 22:10, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Bosut i još nešto

Evo, napisao sam članak o selu Bosut, Serbia, pa je tu i ono što te zanima. Te podatke ne možeš naći na netu, ja sam kupio CD sa tim podacima u Beogradu, pa imam podatke o stanovništvu i etničkom sastavu svakog mesta u Srbiji sa popisa 2002. Inače, ti možeš da edituješ zaštićene članke, je li tako? Molim te pogledaj ovo, i ako ti nije problem samo ubaci tu mapu u članak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AmiDaniel#Nakhichevan PANONIAN (talk) 20:49, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Pa nije sada poenta koja je mapa bolja, jer te dve mape ne prikazuju istu stvar. Ona prva je mapa administrativne podele, a ova koju sam ja nacrtao je mapa većih gradova. Nisam ja kriv što taj region ima samo jedan veći grad :) Kod Tatarstana sam ih stavio više: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tatar03.png Samo ti dodaj tu mapu, jer ona prva ne pokazuje lokaciju glavnog grada (možeš kod mape napisati da pokazuje region i grad). PANONIAN (talk) 21:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Kod mape možeš napisati "Nakhichevan region and location of Nakhichevan city". To bi bilo najprikladnije. PANONIAN (talk) 22:01, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Ma dobro, sačekaću onda da je otključaju. PANONIAN (talk) 22:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Any advice?

Any advice (regarding that which I asked you some time ago). --HolyRomanEmperor 15:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, a zar ne bi bilo najbolje izostavit ih iz nacionalih povijesti? Ne pripadaju tu... A ako bi kojim cudom pripadali, onda pripadaju bosanskoj nacionalnoj historiji (cije nacije u biti danas nema), srpskoj (u neku ruku) i kojim cudom i hrvatskoj. Nije vrijedno pominjanja... --HolyRomanEmperor 15:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Eh, gledej ovako: Historija Bosne (i Hercegovine) jer je bio njen vladar. Historija Ugarske jer je to bio dio Ugarske Kraljevine. Hrvatska povijest jer je Bosna bila legalni fief Hrvatske i Subica; Povijest Srba (jer nema "Srpska povijest") jer je Bosna tada bila stvarni fief Srbije. A onda Bosnjacka historija jer su Bosnjaci imenovani po Bosni, a o uklanjanju ovih ostalih da ne govorim... Kapiras? --HolyRomanEmperor 16:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Dovoljno dobro? ;) --HolyRomanEmperor 14:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

from Ragusan

I am not as nostalgic as I am precise when it comes to entering ones contemporary country of birth (eg. Republic of Venice, or Independent Croatia for a place in Bosnia during 1942 etc). Saying that, I'm equally in favour of leaving out the country since the name of the town speaks for itself, and anyone who didn't know Kumrovec or Korčula could easily click the link. It's just that, when trying to tidy up Severina, I buggered up the year, 1971 instead of 1972 for which I apologise. Next time, I'll leave it to you without touching!! Ragusan June 28, 2006

oh no offence taken at all. I just felt that certain aspects and importance of usage would have qualified our Latinic script for a seperate entry. I placed a responce on Talk:Latinic. Thanks for taking an interest anyhow. Ragusan June 29, 2006

from PC

Done. Physchim62 (talk) 14:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Very uncivilised user

Hi,

Please see this.

I am shocked. Could you please block this guy? I feel very offended.

--Ante Perkovic 19:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Hahahaha... Cant you have a discussion?

Just because I dont have the same opinion as you doesnt mean that you can behave like that.

And to you Joy: Volim te Bosno!

Joy, are there some rules for users who might have physical problems or are just immature? I think that is the case here. This one doesn't seams to respond to logical arguments. It might be due to war trauma, problems in childhood or we might be dealing with a 12-years old. Whatever, I don't see the point in allowing this user to maltreat other users and vandalise articles. Can you, as an admin, do something about this? --Ante Perkovic 12:19, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

The idiot is insulting entire country (our country!). See here. Please, use some of your admin powers to get this idiot (I mean it!) out of wikipedia. --Ante Perkovic 16:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm

Kras? Bojim se da ni(je)sam. O cemu je rijec? --HolyRomanEmperor 14:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Usput, jesi li cuo za Ramba Amadeusa ikada? --HolyRomanEmperor 14:34, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Stefan Nemanja

Sjecam se da si komentirao kako je stub nevjerovatno mali - a sto kazes sada? --HolyRomanEmperor 20:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Name

E, ako hoćeš pogledaj ovo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bozen-Bolzano#Wrong_name_of_this_article Taj članak stvarno ima pogrešno ime, a ja ne mogu da mu promenim ime jer na drugom imenu postoji redirekt. Ti kao administrator to verovatno možeš da uradiš, pa bih te zamolio da promeniš ime članku. Na svim mapama koje sam video (na engleskom jeziku) taj grad se zove Bolzano, i nema razloga da Vikipedija ovde odstupa od nekih standarda. PANONIAN (talk) 02:33, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Ma dobro, nemam vremena da sad komplikujem i pokrećem proceduru za promenu imena tog članka. Nisam čitao celu stranu za razgovor tamo, pa ako su Italijani već pristali da članak o gradu u Italiji sa etničkom italijanskom većinom ima nemačko ime, neka im bude. Opametiće se već jednom. :) PANONIAN (talk) 23:03, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

HolyRomanEmperor

Only the fact that you earned the same position he was trying to steal. --VKokielov 06:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

The meaning that - compared to me - you earned that position far more. All true, actually... --HolyRomanEmperor 09:17, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Administratura

Well - your post was responded - almost a dozen were sockpuppets/new users/vandals; and there was a special irc channal created solely for the purpose of stopping the process. What's worst, one user openly admitted that he voted only because his friend voted like that - and starting balloting aroung the Bosnian wikipedia and elsewhere.

Now, really, as long as you don't support - he/she should not be an administrator. So please now just clearly make your statement - your word depends whether I'll stop it, or not. :) --HolyRomanEmperor 08:56, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

HRE has passed away to a better place than this one

Greetings. I am HRE's cousin. I have a sad news to announce (as per his brother's wish) - my dear brother-by-aunt is no more in the world of the living... It pains me enough to write this - so I'm just going to point you to HRE's talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:HolyRomanEmperor#As_per_Your_.28Our.29_brother.27s_request. --Sad News 20:38, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

HRE RFA

Please do not edit this RFA, it has put under the protection of WP:OFFICE and requested that no edits be made. pschemp | talk 17:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Now I know what I'm doing I've reloaded it under another name - your are right that this is a confusing name for an image file and I never meant it to load up under this - it sort of happened before I realised it! Anyway it's now an orphan so can go. Thanks Sophia 18:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Pannonian Rusyns

Someones trying to purport that Pannonian Rusyn are a completely different ethnicity from Rusyns though the Rusyns page has an infobox that includes Panonian Rusyn as a minority abroad. I noticed your edit on the talk page and need some support for removing the infobox. We have adamant users who take political correctness of regional identities as overall ethncities too personally. Help! 72.144.68.226 00:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

WPFY has a new look!

Check out WP:FY. If you wish, you can add {{WPFY}} to your user or talk page to keep in touch with the project. Zocky | picture popups 17:53, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Maps of Bosnia

Hi,

user:Dado has created some new Bosnia locator maps, but without entities marked (except badly visible inter-entity line). I think this is a bad idea, so I created my own maps, with separate colors for each entity (we have that already, but those maps are in low resolution and small).

I couldn't reach a compromise with Dado, and I believe we need third opinion.

Please, see:

Image talk:BHMunicipalities.png (talk page of Dado's map)
Image talk:BH municipality location.gif (talk page of my map)

Could you please find some spare time to comment this. --Ante Perkovic 23:08, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Lupis

Hello Joy, I'm sorry to see that you deleted again some correttions of mine. Lupis (wolfes) belong to an aristocratic family of the Italian nobility. A brench moved to the south of Dalmatia and slavized the name in Vukic. Then they moved to Fiume/Rijeka and they italianized again the name in Lupis or Luppis (read the links I inserted). You should know that in that the time the city was a "Corpus separatum" (separated body) of the Hungarian Kindgom, and that the urban population was mostly italian. So, it's not correct if you put the italian name in minor evidence. The turn the name in Lupis was a decision of the family itself, not of some italian nationalist of the 20th century! Furthermore it's not correct if you claim that Lupis is a "croatian engineer". It was from Fiume/Rijeka that belong to italian and croatian culture, in the same time and it's not correct to apply the PRESENT national conditions to the past. You want to impose your point of wiew, and this is against the rules of wikipedia. I will restore my corrections, pleas don't delete them againg or I shall ask for the intrvention of a moderator.

Others: - in the History of the family, wrotten by mr. Marco Lupis, I've seen that he was born in Fiume/Rijeka and he dead in Milan. Just have a look (you can understand this). - It's not possible this story about "italian garibaldines", for the simple reason that they never had a navy. Furthemore when Lupis started to work to the weapons there were not "garibaldini" at all. So....

Anyway I've contacted the family and I hope they will tell thir correct point of view. BTW: the photo came direct from the family: they decided to write Giovanni Ivan Lupis, so don't change it. --Giovanni Giove 09:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)--Giovanni Giove 09:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC) --- Feel you free to use my comments as you want. Next discussions will be on Lupis' page (as soon as possible).

--Giovanni Giove 11:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Bosniak's Reply

They are not spam, all three links (Srebrenica Genocide, plus two links of US Government's reward for capture of Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic) are directly *relevant* to the topics in question, you idiot.

Hey

My name is Avdo. I noticed the poor quality of the Yugoslavia article and saw your name few times in the history of the article. Would you like to restructure the article with me? I don't know much about the tools of Wikipedia, but I'm well educated on the topic. --God of Justice 23:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not that I want to make too many changes in the text, but just restructure it, because it's not very understandable, some parts are irrelevant, some parts are too long,... I'll try to make some changes, and you can "wikify" them if needed, and we could discuss my changes. How does that sound? --God of Justice 23:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Mobilkom Austria

Please refer to Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Archive5#Querying category/stub order apparently used by AWB as default. If you still feel strongly about it, please ask the author of AWB. --Chochopk 00:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Slovenia-Croatia

There are border disputes here. Slovenia is unhappy about Croatia receiving the Piran Bay (Maritime) and Croatia has opposed a number of villages being ceded to Slovenia. Ragusan 16 july 06

All right, no problem Ragusan 22 jul 06

Request for partial protection

Hi! Somebody has been reverting my changes without explanation in the article Ante Starčević. The user is always connecting from a different IP address, but I am pretty sure it is the blocked User:Purger, considering the IP range and his past interest in that topic. Please, can you protect the article from anonymous edits? Since there have already been edit wars in that article, it would be a wise move anyway. --Zmaj 06:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Lupis POLO Gio

Ovaj Gioavani je smisan. Kako moze biti Ivan Lupis Talijan a nemoze Marco Polo biti Hrvat. Treba biti realan da je jedno i drugo moguce a ne da su oba Taljana. Neznam puno od Lupisu ali moguce je da je Talijan i Hrvat. Za Marca Polo svi znamu da je on 80% moguce bio Hrvat ili Slaven..

Jagoda 1 03:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC) Giovanni if funny. How can Ivan Lupis be Italian yet Marco Polo can't be Croatian. Be Realistic if one is possible so is the other. I don't know much about Lupis but it's possible he was Italian and Croatian. As for Marco Polo we all know that there is 80% chance he was Croat or Slav.

Jagoda 1 03:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Polo

Ajde Joy napise nesto na Marco Polo discussion na Engleskom. Sto to mislis???

Bog

Jagoda 1 03:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Ilok

Joy, ajde pogledaj ovo: Talk:Ilok. Imaš li nekih podataka o tome da li su porodice Iločki i Gorjanski bili Hrvati ili Mađari? PANONIAN (talk) 12:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

You...

...said that you didn't read much of my last posts to judge really. Well, do so now (and comment): Talk:Tvrtko_I_of_Bosnia#Reply_to_Emir.27s_issues. --HRE 11:37, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Your user talk page

May I suggest you archive it? WP:ARCHIVE has instructions if you are unfamiliar with the proccess. Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 11:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I know how to archive my talk page, and I don't want to do it. --Joy [shallot] 14:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome!

Welcome!

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask another fellow member, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! Shy1520 10:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey

What's up? How've you been? --HolyRomanEmperor 16:18, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Did you know that the very last Serbian monarchs (medieval) were Croats (2 of them)? From the dynasty of Berislalic, I think. Ivanish and Stijepan, "Serb Despots". I wonder why has this been kept "off" the lights of Serbo-Croat history. --HolyRomanEmperor 16:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

AfD Nomination: Billy Jackson

An article that you have been involved in editing, Billy Jackson, has been listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Billy Jackson. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

-- Malber (talk • contribs) 17:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

sjajno

natisni link "ARCHIVE" u sadrzajnici. Zadnji. --VKokielov 23:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

They...

they've got an article on the Croatian wikipedia: Berislavići. --PaxEquilibrium 19:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Armenia

Please visit the Talk: Armenia and Talk: Armenians pages http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Armenia&action=edit&section=3 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Armenians&action=edit&section=36 please voice your view on the current discussion, there is a small minority that are promoting and point of view that Armenia is geographically in Europe and Armenians are a European people. It is best to serve the factual truth and your support is desperately needed.

molba

(vec ne gledam dole nego samo tiskam "+" :D) mogao bi postaviti na Template:Spoiler ruski wikilink? Ime sablona (predlozka) je isto. --VKokielov 19:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Evo, uredio ja :-) --Dijxtra 22:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:Horovathos.jpg

Hello! I´m a user from es.wikipedia.org and I was translating Croats to my language when I saw that Image. As it is on public domain, I think it will be great if it´s moved to commons. However, I coulden´t found the source in de:wikipedia. Can you help me?--FAR 11:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Archive?

How about archive now?

P. S. Why is your activity dropping rapidly? --PaxEquilibrium 22:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You (Joy) might want to put a notice on top of your talk page saying "I will not archive my talk page, if you want to know why, read it" or something :-) --Dijxtra 22:57, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Poll

Please, have a say in here. It doesn't matter if you don't really think you have a full-scale solution. --PaxEquilibrium 17:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Breakup of Yugoslavia.gif

Thanks for the comments. I'm working on new, corrected maps. The FRY will have a different color to the SFRY. - Thanks, Hoshie 03:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

About disputed POVs on articles related to post-communist Eastern Europe

Hi,

I’m writting this message to you, and to User:Mindspillage and User:BradPatrick, because I still don’t have a full knowledge of how to proceed about Wikipedia administration/mediation/arbitration.

Well, I see there’s a kind of probelm regarding the creation (by myself on november 8) of the article 1999 NATO bombing of Serbia, which I’ve redirected to NATO bombing of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. There’s an edit war going: pro-Serbian users are trying to delete my redirect, and even when people (including myself) manifested against the deletion, the user which requested the deletion made the request again.

Please if you can help me to solve this question.

PS: Above all these problems, I don’t know about you, but I think sometimes there’s a kind of “Serbian Volunteer Guard Cabal” of users here in Wikipedia that try to make Wikipedian articles related to Serbia, Kosovo and Yugoslav Wars appear clearly pro-Greater Serbian/pro-Milosevic POV, making these articles to show an interpretation of facts very different from most of the press and academic sources around the world. A similar thing is happening now on Transnistria article, that show a clear pro-Transnistrian government POV, with a long war of arguments going on the discussion page of the article. Well, I don’t know what you can (or can’t) do about all of this, but if you have some answers pplease write to me. Best regards, --MaGioZal 13:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Breakup of Yugoslavia.gif - fixed!

I have fixed the maps to separate the SFRY and the FRY/SCG/Serbia since the UN never accepted the FRY/SCG as the successor state to the SFRY. I hope this is good. - Thanks, Hoshie 08:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Picapica has smiled at you, Joy, a chara! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile at others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

PS: Have you thought about archiving earlier parts of your Discussion page so that the total is not quite so long? -- Picapica 20:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Archont Petar

Archont Petar was of Croatian origin. This is proven in the legend on the Duklja article, which says he had a brother, Krešimir.

Where did you get the idea that Archont Petar was a decendant of the Višeslav of Serbia? --Crna Gora 23:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Read this,it's from the link you gave me, under the The Serbs during the fighting between Byzantium and the Second Bulgarian Empire section. Then tell me if Petar was of Croatian or Serbian origin.

During their rule in Rasa the Bulgarians completely exterminated the old Serbian royal family. From 1036 to 1042 Dobroslav, called Stjepan Vojislav, member of an old Croatian family from Duklja, revolted and liberated Duklja and Rasa. --Crna Gora 23:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

That is true. The entire Vojislavljević family were of Croat origin too and that Duklja was a Croatian state, not Serbian. Please protect me in this case. I have proof off that site.

The proof:

From 1036 to 1042 Dobroslav, called Stjepan Vojislav, member of an old Croatian family from Duklja, revolted and liberated Duklja and Rasa. - This statement shows that Stjepan Dobroslav I Vojislav was of Croatian origin, meaning that his distant ancestor, Archont Petar, was of Croatian, not Serbian, origin.

Bodin (1081 – 1101), king of medieval Croatian Duklja, ushered in a new political era in Serbia. At the outset of his reign Bodin liberated Rasa from Byzantium and installed as its princes his two palatines Vukan and Marko, both Croats from Duklja born in Ribnica near modern Titograd. - This statement shows that Duklja was actually Croatian, rather than Serbian, which I agree. This statement also shows that the House of Nemanjić is of Croat origin as Vukan is of the Nemanjić's ancestors (Nemanja's great-great uncle or great-grandfather).

On August 3rd, 1189 he ruled over all of Duklja when Dezislava, wife of the last Croatian prince of Duklja, fled with her court to Dubrovnik. - This statement shows that Prince Mihailo III was of Croatian ethnicity.

So, please, help prove my case. Thanks again. --Crna Gora 00:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I will. (At least, I'll try) Thanks again. --Crna Gora 00:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Explanation

Here, I'll try to be as brief as I can.

Goynik's son is none other than Peter Goynikovic, he is of the House of Vlastimirovic (Viseslavic?) and that alone is solely the fact itself. The argument that he was AFAIC Predimir are nothing but a theory, that I myself (from a professional Original Research) do not approve - and it is very possibly false. The only outlying fact is that Doclea and Rascia literally shared almost no border and function as a single state - but Rascian rulers were always descendants (in many cases even subjected to) of Doclea's monarchs. It is known that every Princess (ahem, "Queen" - Predimir's wife Prechvala for example) of Doclea is rascian. I do not think that that is sourced from DAI - as I understand byzantine chronicler John Scylitzes (and he is popular for making funny non-intentional mistakes) mentioned the Doclean rulers frequently (including Predimir/Petar) as rulers of a larger unified Serbia (possibly emphasizing the fact that the main Serb dynasty in Rascia died-out, while that in the coastlands survived). Aside from that - the Croatian origin legend also remains a myth - just as it is said, that's a legend, expressed through a tale-ish work. No where is it ever said that Petar is the son of Trpimir - however, he is brother to the Croatian ruler Cresimir. Historians mostly explained this by the plain fact that the Arhcbishop of Antivari often in his Chronicles referred to Croatia (Dalmatia?) and Serbia (Rascia?) as brotherlands, and any ruler of one realm is the "brother" of the ruler of the other. However, the (must admit, small) serbo-croat school to which you referred, relies itself on the research that Petar Goynikovich spent his life in the Croatian Kingdom and that the Croatian Army brought him to power in Rascia as Grand Prince, with the new Serb confederate state being subjected to Croatia, but in truth, independent (because the two countries functioned as America and Canada today). It is also known that prince Peter Goynikovic pobratimio with the Croatian ruler (which was typical for noble Serbs impressed by the much more advanced and superior Croat state back then in the early Medieval Ages - Prince Ceslav became the "brother" of the great King Tomislav). This is supported by the thing that Grand Prince Peter of Goynik ruled, among all the other southern dalmatian realms, Doclea...

Did I help? If you have any specific question, any at all, please don't be a stranger. Cheers. ;) --PaxEquilibrium 00:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Archont Petar and Petar Gojniković are two different people. Archont Petar was born in ca. 930. Petar Gojniković was born much earlier. Read this line from the House of Vlastimirović article: "Knez Petar Gojniković (son of Gojnik, grandson of Vlastimir), born ca. 870, ruled 892/3-917/8, captured by Bulgarians, died in captivity. " Those dates are nowhere close to of Archont Petar's. All I know for a fact is that Archont Petar died either during or after the 970s. So, please, don't put false facts in an article unless you do some research. Also, Archont Petar is also called Predimir and in some sources, I am finding the use of Predimir rather than Petar for Archont Petar. This should help. --Crna Gora 02:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Doing something about the ridiculous date autoformatting/linking mess

Dear Joy—you may be interested in putting your name to, or at least commenting on this new push to get the developers to create a parallel syntax that separates autoformatting and linking functions. IMV, it would go a long way towards fixing the untidy blueing of trivial chronological items, and would probably calm the nastiness between the anti- and pro-linking factions in the project. The proposal is to retain the existing function, to reduce the risk of objection from pro-linkers. Tony 01:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Gradovi i općine u Hrvatskoj

Na hr:wiki imaš članak popis svih gradova i općina složen po županijama ažuriran sa zadnjim NN koje se tiču ove teme. U popisu je navedena Škabrnja kao općina i kao naselje, iako je neki zovu i Škabrnje (a tako se u prijašnjim NN nazivala). Vodite se NN kao jedinim mjerodavnim.

Pozdrav

Andrej Šalov 16:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

question on your emoticon edit from 2004 (yeah, I'm late to the party)

you added these emoticons to the emoticon page:

o/ or \o waving

o\ or /o scratching one's head

/o\ despair

\o/ joy

I was just wondering - did you add them because you had been using them / seeing them around and they weren't on the page, or did you make them up yourself? Because I've seen a few people in a particular fandom claiming that they "made up" the one for joy based on an actor doing it in an episode.

This is vague, but do you know / remember?

Tzikeh 22:49, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Please visit my userpage. Thank you. --Crna Gora 16:42, 26 December 2006 (UTC)