User talk:Josvebot/Archive 2014

Wikilinking

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Hi, and thanks for your work on the English Wikipedia.

I noticed an article you worked on. Just a short note to point out that we don’t normally link:

• dates
• years
• commonly known geographical terms (including well-known country-names), and
• common terms you’d look up in a dictionary (unless significantly technical).

(This even applies for infoboxes.)

Thanks and my best wishes.

Tony (talk) 09:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

@Tony1: Hello. My name is Josve05a (the bots owner). As you can see with this edit, that my bot only fixed the DEFUALTSORT. It has nothing to do with the ovelinking in the article. Is there something I don't see, am I blind? Please tell me more what you think my bot did, so I can investigat further. (t) Josve05a (c) 10:19, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

No problem. You're right. Tony (talk) 10:22, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Defaultsort problem with umlauts in German

c.f. [1] - "ü" is identical to "ue", so this should have been a change to "ue", not to "u". (Same thing happened here - note that the subject himself uses "Goerl" as identical to "Görl".) Cheers :-) - David Gerard (talk) 13:03, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me. I'll look in to this. (Ping NicoV, Magioladitis, perhaps Bgwhite, do you know if this is a proble, what I should do, or if this is just something to be on the whitelist or something?) (t) Josve05a (c) 14:13, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

That's difficult, because different languages may have different rules for replacement of umlauts: in French, "ü" could be replaced by "u" in defaultsort, not by "ue". I don't know what are the rules for German language, or for English wikipedia. --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 15:13, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

I know that in English (language, not Wikipedia) (and Swedish, when they used DEFULTSORT's) if something is written with a "ü" it would be replaced with a "u". But I don't know what to do when an article is about a German topic on English Wikipedia. (t) Josve05a (c) 15:19, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

In these examples, they're proper nouns, names (of a person and a record). The root trouble is that there isn't just one Latin alphabet :-) I can't think of an automatic way to solve this problem with any reliability ... - David Gerard (talk) 17:08, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Very interesting reading about this and there is no correct way. Ü is also used in Estonian, Hungarian, Turkish and Chinese pinyin. Depending on what ruleset you are using, Ü can be changed to U, Y, or UE. To make matters worse, there are two German DIN standards, one says U and the other says UE. I can't think of a good solution except treating all Ü as U. Bgwhite (talk) 18:44, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

How often is this rule invoked, and how often for proper nouns in German? - David Gerard (talk) 20:16, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

OK, so I looked at how de:wp actually does this. I go to de:Robert Görl and I see ... {{SORTIERUNG:Gorl, Robert}} So it appears that I am completely wrong and Josvebot is doing something entirely acceptable. Sorry! - David Gerard (talk) 15:21, 5 March 2014 (UTC)