User talk:Jose L Martinez Damian

Welcome! (We can't say that loudly enough!)

Here are a few links you might find helpful:

You can sign your name on talk pages and votes by typing ~~~~; our software automatically converts it to your username and the date.

If you have any questions or problems, no matter what they are, leave me a message on my talk page. Or, please come to the New contributors' help page, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type {{helpme}} on your user page, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions.

We're so glad you're here! Rockpocket 05:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Eschatology

Dear friend Rockpocket: I'm an Eschatology Graduated Teacher. I've studied and practiced for the last 20 years this commom sense system with all kind of results, which I'm going to refrain to explain in this letter. I found this article in Wikipedia (by the way Wikipedia has been a very great contribution to my classes), which considers some point of view of an outsider of Eschatology So I asked to Bruce C. Smith, the current director of Eschatology in California (who is a very good friend) permission to edit this article.

Now your very helpful assistance and guide wuold be great, 'cause sure I didnt know all the "violations" you list me:

1.- Eschatology is teached at home or in an office, no temples, no creeds or by-laws, NO CULT, only the learning of right thinking. RCKPCKT If you could help me taking away the word CULT it would be great.

2.- The very opposite to the Understanding of Life that Eschatology teaches is belief. It can be explained easy. The is no practical aid on you for believing in Mathematics. You can only expect results by understanding mathematics. This is common sense, but to understand mathematics, you'll need really a deep grade of reasoning, and not only common sense. RCKPCKT Can I leave the definition common sense and reasoning?

3.- About healing others, in my practice I've worked with patients sick of cancer, pneumonia, paralysis, etc. Healing one self or others is only a matter of thought. But a good Eschatology teacher never stops you from visiting a physician. In my early years of student, I had an appendicitis surgery. In all books and booklets, Mr. Walter explains what, how, and why of healing by mental means only. RCKPCKT Healing others is trully possible

4.- Transition is the "Last" (Eschatology roots from greek skata "last" and logos "science"). It doesn't mean death, but overcoming death. This is a conscious process, different to death which becomes unconsious. RCKPCKT It would be great if Wikipedia was the first Encyclopedia that records transition instead of death. Any way, maybe you could say "he remained the sole leader of Eschatology until what escatologist call"transition" in 1941"

And to help me with my English, All I learned was between 1967 to 1970 at the age of seven. I was born 09-09-1963

Thank you

Hello Jose, thank you for your communication. I will do what i can to assist you, but i must explain that i am not an expert on cults or otherwise, and thus i can only guide you on the rules of Wikipedia. The first articles you should read are WP:V and WP:NPOV. These are two important policies that guide how information must be presented in Wikipedia. So with these in mind, let me address you concerns:

1. I understand your concern here, the term "cult" has unpleasant connotations. As i said, i am not an expert on cults, so i cannot give an opinion on whather Eschatology counts as one or not. WP:V states that, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth". Therefore if you could provide a reliable source that states Eschatology is not a cult, then we could change that. You could also request that a source be provided to prove it is a cult. You should do this by typing {{fact}} after the sentence in the article that says it is. If an editor cannot provide evidence after a reasonable period of time, then you welcome to remove any use of the word "cult". Alternatively, you could write a section saying that Eschatologists do not consider themselves part of a cult. But again, you should provide evidence of this.

2. I'm afraid you cannot say "the approach is one of common sense and reasoning" as that is an opinion, and this breaches WP:NPOV. You can say "Eschatologists believe their approach is one of common sense and reasoning", as that is attributing the opinion to someone, not simplya stating it as fact. I hope you can see the crucial difference between the two. Again, however, you should cite a source of you do this, otherwise someone could challange it as i descibed above, and it could be removed.

3. Again, i respect your point of view, but unfortunately you word is not sufficient evidence for us to state that "healing others [by Eschatology] is trully possible". Please read WP:NPOVFAQ, specifically about the sections about religion and pseudoscience. We can say that "Eschatologists believe..." or, if you can provide sources stating that healing has occurred, we can cite those and state that "X reports that Y was healed". But it all comes back to verifiability.

4. Yes, you are catching on here! We can say: "he remained the sole leader of Eschatology until his death, or what eschatologists call his transition, in 1941". But we do have to note that the rest of the world considers him dead, even in the Eschatologists themselves do not.

I hope this has been of some help, you may wish to discuss your proposals here in future where other interested editors could discuss it openly. I have also invited the major contributor to the article, User:Cesar Tort, to comment. Again, let me know if i can be of further assistance. Rockpocket 08:08, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Rockpocket:

About the discussion that Mr Walter didn't die because of an accident, it took a little of time to assure you there was no accident. So I am including the foreward of the help that Mary Ann Pirone, Aurora Genealogy and Local History Specialist from the Aurora Public Library, sent me:

Dear Mr. Martinez-Damian:

We have limited information about William Walter's death and all of it comes from an article that appeared in the Aurora Beacon News, 6 March 1941: "William Walter Dies Suddenly in Florida Home" William W. Walter, 74, of 564 New York Street, a writer of books on eschatology, died suddenly of a heart attack at his home in St. Petersburg, Fla., Sunday night, according to word received by Martin Wigum, 601 New York Street. The message came from Jack Berry, a neighbor of the Walter family in Florida, and caretaker of their winter home there during the summer months. Mr. Walter, a pioneer resident of Aurora many years ago was a leader in the Christian Science church. Later he became an author of books on eschatology. In addition to his wife, the former Barbara Stenger, Mr. Walter is survived by one son, Arthur.

I checked on the website of the Florida Department of Health to see what their regulations were about ordering birth and death certificates. It looks like you have to be a relative to be able to order a death certificate that actually lists the cause of death.

I hope this information is helpful. Good luck in your searches.

Sincerely,

Mary Ann Pirone Genealogy and Local History Specialist Aurora Public Library One East Benton St. Aurora, IL. 60505

<contact details removed for security>

17-09-06

Hello, Jose. Thank you very much for providing this research. Rockpocket 01:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes: thanks a lot, José. I already included your valuable info in the article. Thanks again! —Cesar Tort 03:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Cesar Tort:

I'm very interested if its possible to you to contact me, I wrote you a very long letter on your e-mail, but had no answer. I have a message for you from Jaime Lopez and another from Bruce Smith. I'm going to try again in your e-mail page. I wish I make it.

José Luis Martínez Damián October, 1st 2006.

I just replied to your latter email; your previous one didn't reach me. —Cesar Tort

Eschatology (cult)

Hello. I notice you have reverted the article Eschatology (religious movement) back to a previous version without justification (note that using edit summaries is highly recommended and may help others follow your reasoning). Some of your edits appear to be valid, but others violate WP:Weasel, WP:CITE and WP:NPOV for example (my italics):

"Eschatology is a common sense and reasoning system"
"Walter thus became involved in healing others"
"he remained the sole leader of Eschatology until his "transition" in 1941"

If you wish to re-revert, please consider doing so without these edits, or if you wish to use POV terms, cite reliable sources and attribute them. Thank you, and please feel free to contact me if i can be of further assistance. Rockpocket 06:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]