User talk:Joojay/Archives/2020/November

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Allison Schulnik

Hello! I reverted your recent edits here, mainly because they removed a number of sources in the exhibitions that I had spent time tracking down. I'm sorry to say that I think your edits worsened the article overall. I was not able to undo the edit that destroyed the exhibitions section, and determined that a full revert of your edits there was called for as they made the page worse rather than better.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:25, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

For example, the exhibition section you provided goes "Schulnik's has had various solo exhibitions, including ... among others." Multiple errors, along with removed sources. the table of film isn't needed.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:29, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP:I didn't remove your citations and this is a BLP, please review this more carefully. The table shouldn't be an issue either way. Jooojay (talk) 04:31, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Also what does "I think your edits worsened the article overall" mean? It's not constructive or civil communication, it sounds subjective and like gatekeeping? What don't you like? What are the errors? Right now it looks like you just don't like the table. I am sorry if you didn't like my edits but we need to work together, we often edit the same art-based articles. Jooojay (talk) 04:42, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

For context, I had recently saved this article from deletion. I have been adding sources since then. As I added sources I have discovered how much writing there is about her- there are reviews and in-depth coverage. What your edits did was to trim all the source material I had been using to find sources. So they went out the window. Your approach of condensing the exhibitions and collections into one section is one method, but it makes further development harder. After restoring my version just now, I was able to use the source material to add ten sources. I am pretty sure your edit removed some of my sources but I could of course be wrong. As to Gatekeeping, I am not sure what you mean. As to the reference to it being a BLP, not every single fact needs to be verified, and I do not believe there are any exaggerations, falsehoods in the article. Most of the above is actually moot because the article now has ten more sources than it did a couple hours ago, and the majority of the material I restored is sourced. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:26, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: Many of my contributions of new sources were not added back still, I am specifically referring to the the film section. When I say "gatekeeping" I am referring to your control of how the edits look to you on this article, none of which was relating to the MOS. I appreciate you were able to do further clean up, as it was much needed, but this is a shared space and none of us own a single article. I did not see the importance of highlighting every private gallery exhibition, it is not particularly notable information and starts to look like advertising (esp. with primary sources or sources like galleries). Jooojay (talk) 05:32, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

There are only about two gallery references there; the rest are reviews. All of the content in an article does not need to be notable. Review provide valuable followup material for readers and for those looking to expand the article.

As I said, I have been working on this article. I don't own it, of course, and you need not educate me on how Wikipedia works. That said, there are five million article on the wiki, and I don't usually go poking around in articles that people are actively working on.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:38, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: I apologize if you were still working on this article, it looked like you had moved on. I hope you are able to restore all of the missing citations, I will not touch this article now since I am clearly not welcome. Best of luck to you. Jooojay (talk) 05:42, 28 November 2020 (UTC)