User talk:Jontyla

Welcome

Welcome!

Hello, Jontyla, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like Wikipedia and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome! - Ahunt (talk) 18:20, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Canvassing off site

I just want to be clear that regarding the issue discussed on User Talk:Joefaust regarding possible off-wiki canvassing, I believe that the decision by a user on that forum who happened to have a name similar to yours to remove the posts from discussion was the right one. Encouraging new editors to come to Wikipedia is of course a good thing, but doing it in the context of a specific dispute is a bad thing. I think we've all understood that now, but I just wanted to be sure you were properly notified. The full formal rules for canvassing can be found at WP:CANVAS, and, if you have any questions, you are welcome to ask me at any time. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:33, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Structural concern of article Paragliding

Do you want to edit the "is" to "it" as many will be reading the intro to the subsection for guidance. ""should is be split into sub articles?" Thanks. Joefaust (talk) 14:19, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Dishonest" comment at AfD

Please see me comment about your slightly inappropriate comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Paragliding Association. It's definitely borderline, but, in general, per WP:CIVIL, it's better not to call people "dishonest" or "liars"; rather, it's usually more civil just to label the information as "incorrect". Qwyrxian (talk) 01:52, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Comparison of types of hang gliders

I don't understand exactly what you mean (if you want to expand on what you've said, you're welcome to do it), so I'll just explain myself more fully. You tagged the template for deletion under speedy criterion R2, which only applies to redirects from mainspace — anything named "Template:_____" doesn't qualify. This is because mainspace pages (ones with simple names, instead of ones with prefixed names) are actual encyclopedia articles, and readers expect pages with mainspace names either to be articles or to be redirects to articles, so redirects from mainspace titles to non-articles are generally problematic because they disrupt the average reader's experience. Since templates aren't articles, it's not a disruptive experience to be redirected from templatespace to userspace. Think of it like doorways in a stage set: if you can see both sides of a wall that's on the stage, a doorway through that wall isn't odd because both sides are in the play, and a doorway from one backstage room to another isn't odd because you can't see it. However, a doorway from the stage to the backstage area is problematic, because it essentially breaks the fourth wall that separates stage action from what's going on behind the scenes. In the same way, we try to separate the encyclopedia from the process of building it, but we don't need to separate different aspects of building the encyclopedia. Nyttend (talk) 02:47, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've just deleted the page for a different reason: speedy criterion G8, which permits the deletion of redirects to non-existent pages. After I declined the deletion, Joefaust requested that User:Joefaust/Template:Comparison of types of kite hang gliders be deleted, and his request was fulfilled. There's obviously no other place to which I could redirect the title, so deletion is warranted. I should note that I would have deleted the page the first time around if there had been a good reason: mistagging is not a valid reason for a speedy deletion to be declined if I can see that you meant to tag (or properly could have tagged) the page for some other reason. Nyttend (talk) 02:50, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Both userpages and templates are behind-the-scenes; it's not the best idea to have M contain U, but since both T and U are behind-the-scenes types of pages, it's not such a big issue. Of course, there are problems with it — for example, templates are more commonly searched than userpages, and users are allowed to do lots of things to their own userpages that they're not allowed to do to templates. However, it's not a big enough deal that I see it as a reason to speedy delete; you're free to disagree, of course, and if you'd like, you can go to WT:CSD and propose that template-to-userpage redirects be speedy deleteable. Nyttend (talk) 00:32, 28 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]