User talk:Jons2006

Welcome

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate encyclopedic contributions, but some of your recent contributions seem to be advertising or for promotional purposes. Wikipedia does not allow advertising. For more information on this, see:

If you still have questions, there is a new contributor's help page, or you can write {{helpme}} below this message along with a question and someone will be along to answer it shortly. You may also find the following pages useful for a general introduction to Wikipedia:

I hope you enjoy editing Wikipedia! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Feel free to write a note on the bottom of my talk page if you want to get in touch with me. Again, welcome! Yworo (talk) 04:10, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Book Deletion

{{helpme}} Today Yworo have removed all my submissions to "Fedora", "Ubuntu" and "PostgreSQL" wiki pages as a "commercial links" (See Ubuntu - on 04:12, 25 August 2009; Fedora - on 04:12, 25 August 2009; PostgreSQL 03:30, 25 August 2009 ).

I'd like to have community answers on the next my questions, comments and concerns about my submission deletion:

1. It was only info about REAL BOOKS, with the real ISBNs, from the real US publisher, sell on Amazon, BN, ...
2. Almost each section in Wikipedia have the appropriate "Books" or "Bibliography" section with the links to a real books, which are absolutely similar Fultus books.
3. For example, what's the difference between links to O'Reily, Sams, Apress books (exists) and Fultus books (removed by you) on the PostgeSQL wiki page in "Books" section.
4. Why links to Fultus books describe UP-TO-DATE Fedora, Ubuntu and PostgreSQL systems are "commercial links", BUT links to O'Reily, Sams, Apress books describes outdated systems aren't commercial links?

It looks like publisher discrimination and it's a really strange!

I think you should not remove this submissions, because this is a really useful for all Linux community.

Jons2006 (talk) 18:50, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Therefore, like any other edit, you should begin a discussion about your proposed edit on the talk page of the articles themselves, and try to get the opinion of other editors, with the idea of reaching a consensus as to whether the additions are truly useful to the article. See WP:DISPUTE for some guidance on it. You might also wish to review the external linking policy. For more help, you can either;

Leave a message on my own talk page; OR
Use a {{helpme}} - please create a new section at the end of your own talk page, put {{helpme}}, and ask your question - remember to 'sign' your name by putting ~~~~ at the end; OR
Talk to us live, with this or this.

Best wishes, Chzz ► 19:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's primarily the links to the Fultus website that's the problem. We don't link book titles to the publisher website, especially if the books are available for sale on the website. Including the ISBN of the book is sufficient, as that allows the user to find the book in a wide variety of libraries and online bookstores rather than promoting purchase from a particular website. Yworo (talk) 19:23, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and normally we don't add books unless they have been used as references for the article. Adding books without adding material cited to them is a big red flag to many Wikipedia editors. When there is also a clear intent to promote unnecessary commercial links, the addition will simply be reverted. There are hundreds of books on any given topic and we can't list all of them. Wikipedia is not a collection of lists of resources, whether they be books or websites. It's an encyclopedia and references are listed to verify the information in the article via footnotes. Yworo (talk) 19:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your explanation

> It's primarily the links to the Fultus website that's the problem.

What should I do to restore my submission? Link to Amazon? BN? Google Book Search? ... instead of Fultus, contains all this links in one place and opportunity to search throughout all contents for appropriate book collection.

> and normally we don't add books unless they have been > used as references for the article. It's OFFICIAL documentation. Each article can point any place here. No one publisher before don't try to do so huge project.

Jons2006 (talk) 20:09, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You have new messages

Hello, Jons2006. You have new messages at Chzz's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{user:chzz/tb}} template. File:Ico specie.png

Chzz ► 20:23, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No links are needed at all. When you add the ISBN, it automatically creates a link. Click on that link and you will see all the resources you can select, which include all the links you mentioned. The usual heading for book not used as references is "Further reading". It normally is placed right before the External links section which should always be last. Yworo (talk) 13:08, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just a quick note to say that I moved your question and my reply into my archive, it's now in User talk:Chzz/Archive 13#Fedora Ubuntu and PostgreSQL books. Please don't edit there though - if you need me, start a new thread on my talk page.

Sorry about this, but my talk page is often incredibly busy; if you every wonder where something is, use the archive search at the top of my page - just put your user name in it, and you should find things. Cheers, Chzz ► 16:47, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]