User talk:Jonny2x4/Archive4

You want a source my dear friend?

Here is your source. Geez, you are so anal.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1188121/board/thread/40801263

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1188121/bio

How should I know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.231.89 (talk) 16:16, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Later dude. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.231.89 (talk) 16:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for improving Juni and Juli

		The Special Barnstar
		Thank you for reverting what you thought was an inadequate page move and doing editing work on the old article Juni and Juli it is very nice to see someone tackle a "problem" head on Sin Harvest (talk) 10:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I prefer your solution a lot more

Third Energy

Erm... the reason that it was a seperate article is because the "Dino Crisis (Series)" page had been remomoved... cos that page had over 2000bytes of info whilst the page it is now redirected to has a small sentance about it and a link to it which links back to it self. It it possible for you do re-add the article "Dino Crisis (Series)"?.OsirisV (talk) 16:00, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The last thing Wikipedia needs is another overly-detailed in-universe article about a plot element from a semi-notable video game series. Anything that can be said about the "third energy" is simply just plot summary from the Dino Crisis games. I just don't see anything any reason for the article existing other than "Third Energy did this in this game and did that in the other game", which are details that can easily be written into the plot summaries of the individual games. And since Third Energy was already introduced in the original game, it makes sense to redirect the article there. Jonny2x4 (talk) 16:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

3rd *Strike*

• Just for future reference, the game is called "Street Fighter III 3rd Strike", not "3rd Impact". ^_^ JuJube (talk) 09:53, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Whatever. Its a common mistake anyway. Jonny2x4 (talk) 18:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Sheng Long merge proposal

I still have Alan Noon's info, a bit more on the Akuma factor, the SF:TM ending, and the EGM mention all regarding Sheng Long to work into that article, and all are citable. Given nobody has voice an opinion for the merge, mind if I remove the proposal at this point?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 15:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure, okay. Jonny2x4 (talk) 04:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

About Gutsoon

You know it's okay to make big changes, but it's supposed to be a group working on the article. It is not okay to delete the whole article and make it yours. I would really appreciate it if you would talk it out on the talk page, you do realize that I put work into that. –Jump Guru 16:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I only edited the article so it read less like a lists of magazines and titles and more like an overview of the company's history and clarify a few things (Gutsoon never published Angel Heart outside Japan, only City Hunter). I make no such claim of ownership of the article, I was just being bold. Jonny2x4 15:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry about that. That was one of my first articles, and i'll move this to the bottom by the way. I understand what you did. – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@^{Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia} 16:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think we should merge the article, it's talking more about RAIJIN COMICS than Gutsoon! I've also heard they were going to make a shojo magazine called Smile Magazine. – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@^{Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia} 16:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Please respond..... I feel asamed.... now that I think about it, did I post that comment on April Fool's day?!? You're never going to trust me now.... that was stupid (I wrote that on April Fool's day on accident). Please, i'm serios, forgive me, forgive me!! That was back when I was an amateur, now i'm alot better: see Jump SQ., it's almost at a GA rating. – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@^{Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia} 20:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Smile magazine has nothing to with Gutsoon! It was a shojo manga anthology published by Tokyopop. I still think Gutsoon! Entertainment and Raijin Comics should be merged, since there's not much you can say about one without mentioning the other, but I don't feel the need to go through the trouble of doing it right now.Jonny2x4 (talk) 21:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe they should, maybe they shouldn't. But seriosly forgive me.... say, i'll make it up to you... how bout' ice cream? Chocolate of French Vanilla? – 「ＪＵＭＰＧＵＲＵ」@^{Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia} 03:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Super Contra

How did you know easily about the Super Contra game for mobile? I'd have never figured it out and now, I'm on a frenzy to get more information. You got good sources, because that's something I'd take probably over a year to know about. Do you know any other site where I can get more information on this game and if the game's J2ME-based? Do you any other "rare" Contra conversions/ports that aren't listed on the Contra articles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.216.229 (talk) 02:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I simply learned about it from the official Contra DS website. It was simply an accident that I've come to learn about it. I don't really know much about it other than what is stated in the official site. Jonny2x4 (talk) 05:37, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding M. Bison and the "canonicity" (did I make up a word?) of Alpha 1

• You're a good editor and I don't want to get into a drawn out edit war about this. I can only speculate that Capcom of America has made a statement overriding Capcom of Japan's statement that Alpha 1 did not happen, which while making no sense whatsoever is par for the course for CoA. :/ Several endings are brazenly impossible, most notably Guy's and Dan's... but anyway, I'd just like to hear who's saying Alpha 1 is canon. JuJube (talk) 07:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

• • I don't think Capcom ever said that Street Fighter Alpha 1 never happened. The closest thing they said was simply that SFA1 and SFA2 share the same story, which is a different thing. But the point is moot either way. I think its ridiculous to cover M. Bison's fictional history from the series' fictional chronology instead of covering from a real world's perspective. (i.e: Street Fighter II came BEFORE Street Fighter Alpha and not the other way around). Jonny2x4 (talk) 07:45, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

• • • From the Tiamat Plot FAQ (which is essentially a compilation of mooks, official books and statements from Capcom):

Story: You see the endings and all those storyline bits that happen in Street Fighter Zero 1? FORGET EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM. Capcom has officially stated that Street Fighter Zero 2 and Zero 3 is the current bridge between SF1 and 2. Even several of the non-conflicting endings in SFZ1 that don't conflict with SFZ2 have official statements that contradict them, really (not for all, though). Considering that Zero 1 was actually incomplete version of Zero 2 and Zero 3, this makes sense, too (another official statement. And also why Zero 1 had such a freaking small playable characters roster). However, there are some endings that look like they could eerily fit in and be merged with SFZ2.

The point is not moot as long as we have biographies of characters based on their canon storyline. Cheers. JuJube (talk) 02:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

19xx Title.png

Hello Jonny2x4,

I wish to contact you about the flyer you uploaded for 19XX: The War Against Destiny back in January. It appeared that you saved it over my image of the game's title screen which I uploaded back in August of last year. However my biggest concern though is that your flyer uses the rationale of my title screen, causing the image to be, well largely disjointed.

If possible, could you maybe upload the flyer again under a new name and with a proper rationale regarding fair-use of the flyer. Then I can either upload the title screen again or just simply request for it to be deleted.

If you wish to talk to me about this or have any queries, please don't hesitate to do so on my talk page and I'll be glad to assist.

Thank you for contributing and keep it up. Raphie (talk) 12:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Done! Jonny2x4 (talk) 15:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Tiamat's Plot Guide

And since when was it decided it wasn't a reliable source? You know of any other sources for translations of what's in a lot of those sources he uses? :P--Kung Fu Man (talk) 22:37, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

No. Just because he's the only source, that doesn't make him 100% reliable. My issue with Tiamat's FAQ is that he mixes his sources with too much original research on his part. If you're so eager to create an accurate article, just learn Japanese yourself and cites the sources he cites. I already wrote a paragraph or two explaining why I don't trust Tiamat's FAQ entirely at JuJube's talk page (see here). Jonny2x4 (talk) 22:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

WAF

Just a short note that I like it! dorftrottel (talk) 06:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm gonna add another one, btw. Jonny2x4 (talk) 14:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Do you think this a reliable source for MGS?

It gives a lot of useful info about the making of the game. Be there is is no credit given to how they know it. [1] Buc (talk) 12:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

A lot of their information seems paraphrased from here, so we might end up with some recursive references. It doesn't seem very reliable in my opinion. Jonny2x4 (talk) 15:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

could you please do me a favor?

Hello,

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JnW^talk 13:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

A few tips

I notice that you are editing several pages concerning Metal Gear Solid, particularly List of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots characters. I don't mean to criticize, but I have a few tips for your future edits:

1. Always leave an edit summary. I may be guilty of sometimes not doing this myself, but it's helpful to other editors to know what new content you're adding. This is especially true when you are reverting what others have written.
2. Use the preview button. You sometimes make multiple edits to a section when one would be enough - always preview your work so that you will only have to submit it once. This makes it not only easier on you, but on other ediotrs looking at recent changes to the article.

In terms of format for List of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots characters, we should follow List of Metal Gear Solid characters as closely as possible, given that it is a featured list. Morgan695 (talk) 01:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to reduce the plot summary as much as possible, to see if it can be merged into the main Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots article. Jonny2x4 (talk) 02:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Just a heads up

As you may or may not be aware, I am trying currently trying to get Metal Gear Solid back to featured status (maybe get it on the may page in time for the 10th anniversary of it’s realise). Right now I’m trying to get someone to give it a good copyedit; I also think there are a few more references needed, so I won’t be nominating it any time soon. But I hope I can rely on your assistance if and when it is nominated. Buc (talk) 16:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Cover art size

Hey just to let you know i asked a question over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Cover art size? regarding the cover size on Metal Gear Acid. So we shall see what they say about it. Salavat (talk) 03:51, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks for letting me know. Jonny2x4 (talk) 03:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok per what has been said at wiki:vg, i have replaced your cover with the older one that was first uploaded then resized it down to 200px within the article to follow your need for a smaller image on the basis of the comments from the guys at wiki:vg who stated that smaller images may be limited for future use. Salavat (talk) 10:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Poison merge

In all honesty, while the Poison article needs a rewrite, sensibly how much do you think would fit exactly in the Final Fight article, given the Hugo tie in, FF Revenge, CFAS and other segments have no relation to that game? (Not to mention it's proven notability, people are talking about it in context of the character). With the storyline sections removed, that still leaves some design aspects, reception, and capcom's promotion to work with. That really won't fit in the FF article though.

I pretty much know the response to expect from you. But figured it was worth a shot to bring this up. And for the record the only reason it isn't being fixed right is because I'm still working out a valid character article format. Just pointing that out too.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

The plain and simple truth of the matter is that the article is about 90% cruft. The only notability about her is her sexual identity (bringing up the subject too many times is not notable) and her cameos in other games can easily be glossed over with a sentence or two. To give you an example:

Poison is an enemy characters dressed in punk fashion who is notable for her characterization as a male transvestite. This led to the character being replaced by a non-transsexual punk named Billy in the English localizations of the SNES versions. She appears in later games as a playable character in Final Fight Revenge and as Hugo's manager in Street Fighter III.

The other segments you mentioned could be acknowledged in specific articles related to their subjects (i.e: the Capcom Fighting All-Stars). I personally think its ridiculous that there's an entire article about some small-fry enemy character/NPC/obscure fighting game character when there are more notable character regalated into lists. Would she had been as notable if it weren't for her characterization. Jonny2x4 (talk) 05:11, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

As messed up as it is, if it wasn't for that factor of the character and other related censorings it woudldn't be notable. But why something is made notable is a bit beyond the point: a few sources I've still to add after the rewrite due focus on the character specifically as an example of censorship. And the fact it's a "small-fry enemy character/NPC/obscure" character is irrelevant and you know that. As for other characters, they ended up shoved onto lists because nobody actually attempted to establish notability or tracked down references to use, (which honestly can be stupid given that while some characters are truly important to talk about they tank because IGN or whatnot says nothing about them in favor of more notable ones) and there's too big a push to shove article A onto list A instead of fixing article A.

And I'm sorry about the topic title, but c'mon, you know I'm trying to make it worth a damn, even if she is a "small-fry". >_o--Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Service Award

This editor is a
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On the behalf of Wikipedia, thank you for your service. Geoff Plourde (talk) 07:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright

I'm going to make this much clear: I'm objecting to your rampant actions. Instead of trying to work with people you're going head on as if you're attacking a virus. So there are pretty much two options: either you open discussions like a reasonable human being, or I take this a bit higher up and we have a long drawn out discussion on this whole thing. Your choice, but I'm not going to edit war with you: I disagree with some of the stuff you're doing, and think there's a better approach than "burn baby burn."--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Template:Major Street Fighter Characters. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution.

3RR is a bunch of unnecessary paperwork anyway. Truth be told, I wanted you to stop and discuss more than get in a slugging match with you. I'm pretty sure you have your heart in the right place, and while I don't sound like it I do agree the articles need an overhaul painfully and are in piss poor shape...but I'm opposed to ripping out entire sections without reworking valid points or removing articles entirely because you feel them to be personally invalid. Some of that is going to be emphasis on storyline, but not absolutely. Still it's important enough to know all important aspects of a fictional character than just how the play, no? Additionally...I'm defensive. You should expect that by now though given our dealings in the past.

Anyway onto the subject matter, as far as the characters go the reason I'm insisting on the SNSM section remain is that it is referenced enough to warrant it being cited as related material. No offense meant, but "meant to be jokes by the developers and aren't that important to the gameplay of the games" is opinion, and not confirmed. (If you noticed too, I didn't make a similar insistence on CapCom's article in the listing). Your point as to why they should be removed is a bit off kilter though: along those same lines Gouken and Goutetsu shouldn't be listed even though they're visibly relevant.

As far as the articles go...I think most of the SF3 cast should be nixed the rest of the way. Save the twins and Gill there isn't much to work with in terms of statements there. As for fixing up the articles, right now they all need some reception section: almost all of them are failing notability on their own (I mean say what you will about the Poison article, but it at least does achieve more notability than the others :\). If that can get sorted out then the remaining articles should be rewritten from the ground up, starting with reception and gameplay, then adding well cited background info. It'll be a bit more tedious than the razing approach, but would work a lot better.

If you're interested, I'm proposing to you the idea of working together as kinda a revival of the Capcom task force, and doing the above suggestion as a team. I've got a few things on my plate, you obviously do too, but it'd probably work a lot better than what is going on. What say you?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:23, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

A Capcom task force would be a great idea to be honest and I've been pondering about it for a while, but for a Konami task force (since the Boktai and ZOE articles are in pretty horrid conditions too). Considering I might be getting a hold of All About Capcom book in a couple of weeks, I might actually directly add citations from the book, instead of the "book says this, according to Tiamat" as things are going right now. The only problem is that the book only features fighting games and not beat-em-ups, so there's likely to be little info about Final Fight. Jonny2x4 (talk) 04:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Managed to get ahold of this segment from Poison's page in that book, you might find the read a little interesting.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:43, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Ack, said segment.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I noticed the solely America bit too, which does make sense. As for the CCC trans being a screwup, there's nothing saying it *is* wrong: this is a company that pulls flip flops on the storylines a lot (poor, poor Cammy). Since I'd rather keep that to fact, it'd probably be better to keep it until Capcom comes out and says otherwise, because it is the current last word. :\ Interesting bit about FFR, according to David Siller in an EGM interview over Maximo, Capcom Japan approved everything related to the game art, and the section in that scan does make it clear they're regarding the ending, though they're a bit vague other than noting she's more feminine.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 18:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't actually have Game Over, just the bits I've read cited from it. The bit you mentioned though is a new one to me though.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 18:11, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Not to step on your toes again, but could you point out the bits instead you're citing as OR? It'd be easier for me to tend to that way than just slapping a tag on it.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:17, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

From what someone said page 339 in the book covers her. I'll go through and tidy up the other refs, but the only word I have to go on regarding the other bits is Tiamat's (not wild about removal just yet, because if it is verified that'd just go right back). I really should just start a subpage and start rewriting this from scratch, the soundtrack info for FFL looks like it might take a bit.

Additionally do you happen to have the Final Fight CD manual? Someone cited it there with a link to it, but the link is long dead and I'd rather go for a more exact quote if possible.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

That information had to have come from somewhere for his guide, and the bit shown to you seems to be just a sliver of a page. Hugo's bio might mention more about her in the book too. I'm going to ask Tiamat via email about where some of the info comes to better cite the stuff and clear this up once and for all.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Take a look at it now. I still need to work out some references that got lost in the shuffle and tidy up the sections a little, but it should be better than it was.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll look into it, though that contradicts AAC's own mention of FFR: why state there that she's male and suggest she might've had a sex change in the book? I should still have the game handy, if memory serves setting the emu to Japanese will make it run in that language. Also, something I've noticed: you mentioned bits of FF CD's manual state the character as "He", right? While newer titles state "she" even when they do mention the gender bender. That is worth noting.

This is what I loved about the old capcom: they aimed to be more complex.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 15:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Something I found on a rather odd blog while looking for reception points. Note the very last few sentences: "According to David Sheffs' book Game Over, Nintendo stated that Capcom could not have a female enemy as that violated Nintendo's ban on violence against women. Capcom countered that there were no female enemies in the game, revealing that the female characters Roxy and Poison were also in fact transsexuals. The characters were nevertheless removed from the SNES version. However, in 1993, Sega obtained the rights to release the game for their Sega CD. In a sign of Sega's more liberal polices, the female enemies could remain in the game, but with less-provocative clothing; also there could be no indication of their supposed transgendered status (Sega of America would later remove a homosexual boss from the Western version of Streets of Rage 3)."

Trying to follow up on that text to verify it, it's interesting if genuine. Btw if FFR says something different in Japanese than the US version, my guess is it'll be in the manual because it isn't in the game :\ Last thing: you mentioned that the SNES version was supposed to have lighter skin tones due to a complaint...on the Poison article's talk page, there's someone that cites something said about the SNES version calling the game "The Nancy Boy version" that removed women and blacks; that sounds very much like that bit. Hope it helps.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:39, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually that bit I dropped to you that the blog cited seems to come from here: LGBT characters in video games. Sadly it doesn't reference any page numbers. Have you considered looking online to see if a PDF of the book is available? That might turn up something on file sharing services as it is a popular book.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:25, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

A suggestion regarding Final Fight

You might make some headway just simply removing the minor enemies section and rewriting it to a more condensed form. It's important to note things like 2P becoming 2-Ill by Streetwise or the Andores being a nod to a legendary man, but for the most part the detailed enemies are weighing the article down. Look at some featured game or even just good ones, and you'll notice enemy lists tend not to be there.

I guess somewhere good to point you to for a guide might be Final Fantasy IX. It's an RPG but sets a good pace for how sections should go regarding content like gameplay, setting, plot etc. The bosses for example can all be mentioned in the plot with citations, FF One's boss intros probably helping a great deal there.

The article just mainly needs to be redone from head to toe. That's the biggest thing.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 08:42, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I was actually thinking of doing just that, seeing how I already did a similar things for the MSX2 Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. Although, I don't think things like the Two P./2-ill connection are worth pointing out in the gameplay section. Maybe in the Legacy sub-section or the Final Fight: Streetwise article, but not in an article strictly about the original game. Jonny2x4 (talk) 14:42, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

It definitely looks much better. You might track down transcriptions and scans of the manuals and make use of them as needed for citations, and I can get you screenshots from the PSP CCC artworks if you need anything from there.

While I'm here, I could use your help with something. I got line notes from a soundtrack to use for references on my Final Fantasy Legend article, but the guy I have do translations didn't do a full transcription, and the fellow in turn is expecting one for helping me out (to boot it'd help with rapport to get the rest of the information he could provide). I posted a request at the FF Wikipedia project but doubt I'll get results. It's two pages, large legible text: could ya lend a guy a hand? :\--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Eagle

It's more a case he's heavily implied to be gay if anything: Based off Freddie Mercury, tells Morrigan she can't have any effect on him, tells the ladies to cover up, a few directed character-specific winquotes in CvS from him, and Guile's own towards regarding how there are guys "like [Eagle]" in the military. On the other hand I don't think any of it made it into SFA3 MAX at all, at least I never noticed it.

Would be interesting to see what AAC says if anything on the subject.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 06:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I think those things should be mentioned in the article then in a couple of sentences or two. Jonny2x4 (talk) 06:26, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I doubt AAC has anything on Eagle, since it was published before CVS2. Jonny2x4 (talk) 06:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Well he was in SF1, but yeah I see what you mean. I think I read somewhere he appeared in that Sakura manga Karin hails from, and got the same re-design from it that Maki did. Might be worth following up.

Speaking of Maki I've put the article up for a merge proposal. Once I removed the story stuff to something more appropriate there wasn't really much to say even if I flesh out the gameplay section. All of it would be better off in the FF2 article.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:25, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't know about Sakura Ganbaru, but Eagle was in the Street Fighter Alpha manga, where he gets beaten up by Adon in one panel (he looks like his SF1 self). Poison was in Ryu Final too, in case you're curious. I was thinking of merging Maki myself too and just make a note about her subsequent appearances in a "Legacy" section or something.Jonny2x4 (talk) 05:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I think I recall Ryu Final, a friend of mine may still have scans (shows a "unique" hadoken heavy version of Shun Goku Satsu, right?). He should have Sakura Ganbaru still too, so I can get page numbers from him for other articles. Btw while I'm here, and a quick query (not having to do with the earlier trans request): why merge Jill Valentine? I would think there would be enough design and reception information given the character's popularity to warrant her and maybe even Wesker individual articles, no? Or just merging them for now due to the current articles' quality?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. That's pretty much the idea. I think Jill Valentine and Albert Wesker could've enough real-world references to split them from the list (especially considering Jill was in one of the movies) and Wesker is a central figure in the overall storyline. The other characters are rather bland by comparison, even Leon and the Redfields, who are the other notable main characters in the series. Personally, it would've be a shame if Alice was the only Resident Evil character with a dedicated article, but that's just me.Jonny2x4 (talk) 06:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Went through and did some cleaning, merging R. Mika and Goutetsu. Only ones I'm still doubting that can't be fully fleshed out are Adon, Eagle, and Gouken. Maki and Ingrid too, but they're already on the butcher block and just need to be disassembled. Everything else that remains I'm fairly sure could have enough said to pass notability.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 18:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Resident Evil Characters

I'd just like to thank and congratulate you on folding all those articles into one. Should have been done a long time ago.80.5.143.72 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 20:07, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

You're welcomed! Jonny2x4 (talk) 20:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

One problem. Was there a merge discussion to do any of this? If there wasn't, and you just did it out of nowhere, it's basically disruptive editting. ZeroGiga/Edits (Contact) 00:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Here. No one cared enough to object at least. Jonny2x4 (talk) 01:02, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Request regarding redirected character pages

Hi Jonny2x4. Would you mind tagging redirected character pages with Fictional character redirects to lists with {{CharR to list entry}}, and assessing the article as NA on the talkpage? This would help a lot with the administration: The former adds these articles to Category:Fictional character redirects to lists, and the latter removes them from the assessment template. I have performed this for the redirects related to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, if there are others you would like me to update, let me know. Regards, G.A.S 15:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll do that later. Although I'm not sure if there's a point to it. I doubt anyone is going to be looking for info on "Runaway Girl". Jonny2x4 (talk) 17:57, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

This is for administrative use only, and to preserve the edit history in case someone wants to transwiki the material (e.g. to Wikia). G.A.S 04:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

SF char article culling should be done

Redirected the last few articles that were a problem to flesh out. Eagle and Adon as I mentioned earlier. Hugo too: the kicker is when you remove the Andore factor from him there isn't much to discuss; even promotional material is minor. Karin I redirected as well, because I couldn't turn up a real significant amount regarding her other than the known facts. This *should* take care of everything and leave the rest of the articles manageable. What do you think?

On a side note, I have to disagree on the merge proposal regarding CapCom: he was prominent well well before that game, and there should be enough information revolving around his mascot role to make use of in terms of promotions and how people reacted.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:50, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

This idea occurred to me while editing the Resident Evil articles, but I was considering in turning List of characters in the Street Fighter series into something useful and merge all of the stub-class Alpha and SF III character-related articles. Right now, its just a barely readable appearance chart that's not going to serve anyone. Jonny2x4 (talk) 04:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

To be completely honest I kinda dread that with a passion: I can recall far too readily what's happened with every other list and how difficult they are to maintain in the end. Additionally such lists end up becoming a sinkhole far too readily: too many people just dump crap into them. It's better to leave the unfulfilled character articles to their respective games, and I do feel too that chart was much better than what's currently going to go down there. At least put it up for discussion.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:55, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately with that said...it also seems to be the best answer. It'll have to be maintained like a hawk though: I can already picture the inevitable vandals and people that are willing to shove any incomplete article in there. Really want to avoid that mess head on.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 08:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I see what you mean though, considering how horrible List of characters in the King of Fighters series is right now. Still, I think the article could amount to something, especially if we include real-world references and info about the characters' creations.Jonny2x4 (talk) 16:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I added some refs in there, which we should probably do as we go with each added tidbit so we don't end up backtracking and it'd be easier to get it to FL status. Also added the section header's back: it might seem redundant, but it does up front state where the character appeared and gives nicer formatting to the listing on the whole alongside the "main article" pointers.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Resident Evil Articles

Hey, I'm glad I bumped into someone who actually worked on the articles who is willing to do the hard work of cleaning up. Were you planning on tackling this anytime soon? I'm not full of time, but I can try to help out with whatever you decide to do. Just let me know. Randomran (talk) 15:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm already combined all the permanent character stubs into List of characters in the Resident Evil series. I'm working on merging Hunter and Tyrant to the creature list. Jonny2x4 (talk) 16:03, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

What about the images of the old articles? For example, Jill Valentine had some images (see this version). Can you check if the combinations are right and information hasn't been lost? Best regards. --HUB (talk) 20:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Will probably add them back, although its better to use screenshots or bust/face renders in "List of" articles instead of full-body renders. But that's just me. Jonny2x4 (talk) 20:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks good! Maybe you should merge the S.T.A.R.S. members (Resident Evil) into the list of characters article? If the organization into STARS members is helpful, maybe even restructure the table of contents a little? Randomran (talk) 20:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Will do that! Jonny2x4 (talk) 20:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Fatal Fury anime overlong plot summaries

I know that the plot summaries are too long and detailed, but the articles could still use truncated versions of them. Editors don't have a basis with which to work on shorter summaries unless they've watched the anime and remember it as fully as the plots are presented, so I've added all 3 back in so they can be condensed. Just deleting them because they're way too long doesn't fully address the issue because now there is no plot summary (even an overly long one is in some ways better than none) and no one has anything they can work with and would have to start all over from scratch. BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 15:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Meh! I just think that having overly-long plot summaries like those simply encourage anon users that there's nothing wrong with them. Some have even gone as far to remove the "plot" tags added to those articles. I'll probably write summaries myself, since the first two movies have very simple plots. Jonny2x4 (talk) 18:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually this problem isn't restricted to IPs. The 6 episode long FLCL OVA series at one point had articles for each of the episodes. If put to an AFD debate they didn't have a chance as they were practically all plot and trivia, full of OR and no references. It was decided after discussion at the anime Wikiproject to convert them to a list, which became an FL. After this some registered editors and IPs were questioning why it had happened despite the issues the articles had.

As for dealing with IP or whatever bias, I'd readd the tag and drop them a message if was bad enough or even warn them if need be, plus mention the issue on the article talk page. I've condensed the plot for the first movie quite a bit, I think, as far as I myself could make it while still be coherent, and will take a look at the other 2. BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 20:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice work! I fixed a few mistakes here and there. Its a lot better now. Jonny2x4 (talk) 21:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Street Fighter

• All the pagemoves are making me dizzy. @.@ JuJube (talk) 02:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Game Over

Just a head's up about the book, ordered it from Borders today and it should arrive in 2-3 weeks. Figured I'll tell you since you were interested in info from the book too. Also, have you managed to get AAC yet?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Just got it today! Really good book by the way! They even have an interview with Noritaka Funamizu and Akira Nishitani. Makes me wish to get the SNK one too. Jonny2x4 (talk) 01:05, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Seen the SNK one on eBay a few times. As for this book though, what's the page number Poison's information appears on and is there any other citable info? (Been kinda iffy citing the book like that without even a page number(s))--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:40, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I know, but I don't have the money right now. :p pg.339 features her entry on the book's encyclopedia of characters.Pages 262-264 covers Final Fight Revenge. There's not much specifically about Poison there, other than a commentary about the CG images in the game on pg.264, including the "Poison Kiss" super. Jonny2x4 (talk) 03:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Guessing none of the commentary's useful really at all from the sounds of things eh? Well, while I'm here, this may tickle your fancy as far as capcom stuff goes: [2]. Artwork I ripped from Darkstalkers Collection via a PS2 emulator. The rars are concept art packs. Enjoy, some interesting design stuff in there.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:42, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

There's a transcript of her ending in Japanese. The dialogue and narration is a bit different, but the gist of it is pretty much the same. Jonny2x4 (talk) 04:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Change of fighting style in Ryu (Street Fighter)

• From what I hear, AAC and SFEC are equally relevant in terms of What Capcom Said about Street Fighter, but I'm pretty sure the fighting style has always been called "Ansatsuken". JuJube (talk) 08:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

• • Ansatsuken is just a generic Japanese word to describe any martial art made for killing and its used quite a lot in popular Japanese fiction dealing with martial arts (i.e: Hokuto Shinken in Fist of the North Star and Heidern-ryu ansatsuken in King of Fighters). It is NOT the name of Ryu and Ken's fighting style. Most yanks never heard of the term and think its a name Capcom made up for Ryu and Ken's style. For the record, Ryu and Ken's style isn't an ansatsuken per se, only the original form used by Gouki is, which isn't introduced into the backstory until Super SF2 X. I don't have the English edition of Eternal Challenge, but what exactly does it say about the style's name? Jonny2x4 (talk) 17:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Strider

I reverted your edits from the Strider (arcade game) article. Sorry, but your style made it much worse to read. -- Stormwatch (talk) 03:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly HOW it was worse? The article was filled with bits of original research and unsourced praise here and there. I added a subsection about the original manga, removed the unneeded "trivia" section and added a legacy sub-section for all the sequels and spinoffs. We don't need a new sub-section for every cameo the series had in a "further appearances"? Jonny2x4 (talk) 04:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I'm just protective of the way I wrote it. :P But seriously, I don't like the way you re-ordered the "ports" section. Why do you put the Genesis port first and the computer ports only in the end... although the computer ports (except the X68k one) came out first? On the other hand, I fully agree about removing the trivia section, there was a load of cruft there.. - Stormwatch (talk) 05:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

You could've just reorganize or rewrite the parts you have issues with, instead of just reverting ALL of my changes with no explanation other than "I don't like it". I put the console versions first, since the PC versions didn't seem to be as notable, but whatever. Jonny2x4 (talk) 05:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps they're more notable in Europe, since those computers were very successful there. Still, sorry for the overreaction. -- Stormwatch (talk) 05:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Ageism

Your starting to get on my nerves with your ageist attitude. I'm sure stuff like that goes against WP:CIVIL, so please stop it now or I will report you to an admin.Fairfieldfencer FFF 11:03, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

You were ageist towards me as well. You also said that people under 18 shouldn't be allowed on Wikipedia. That's a tad ageist as well, but not without reason.Fairfieldfencer FFF 14:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Shun Goku Satsu

• While I'm in total agreement with your decision to redirect this article, I think some people are going to cry foul about it since it survived some AfDs in the past. Just a heads up. JuJube (talk) 01:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

• • Well an article about Shun Goku Satsu will essentially be article on Akuma anyway, since the only other characters to use the techniques are Evil Ryu and Sunburned Sakura and they're derivative characters anyway (Ryu and Sakura with Akuma's techniques). I'm thinking of either, merging Hadoken, Shoryuken and Tatsumaki Senpu Kyaku to an article called "three secret techniques (Street Fighter)" which is the terminology "All About Capcom" uses, but the title seems to be a bit vague and the term isn't common anyway (used only in "Super X" and EX 2). Either that or redirecting them to Ryu (Street Fighter). Jonny2x4 (talk) 03:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

news flash

As iconic as those pictures may or may not be, wiki policy says that the profile pic must be the most recent one taken of that character. Luckily those pics can still be used in some of the articles though, if you get creative. Johnnyfog (talk) 21:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Super Dimension

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MK Infoboxes

If you insist on having this new infobox design (I personally am not a fan of it), fine, but "Motion capture actors" is inaccurate and needs to be altered to "Portrayers" or the like. Thanks. Beemer69 ^chitchat 05:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right. Digitizing != motion capturing. I didn't bother using the correct field (Live-action actor). Thanks for letting me know. Jonny2x4 (talk) 05:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of creatures in the Resident Evil series

I have nominated List of creatures in the Resident Evil series, an article you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of creatures in the Resident Evil series. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. TTN (talk) 21:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

fictional character history

Please self revert. The distinction you erase is that between the character's history, his biography, if you will, and the history of the Character in the real world. By suggesting the history of publication and use in the real world is 'fictional' you devalue the page, editors' works, and project. There is a distinction and that's why it's called what it is. ThuranX (talk) 12:01, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I concur, thank you. 67.173.11.90 (talk) 12:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

While it doesn't seem to be set in stone, this [3] basically says that Fictional character biography is the preferred/standartized title of the section. Odin's Beard (talk) 14:44, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Its just more of a pet peeve than anything else. First of all, the term "Fictional character biography" is very redundant. The fact that its about a "character" and not a "person" already establishes that its fictional. "Character biography", "character history", "fictional history" or "fictional biography" all say the same thing with one word less. Nobody ever uses the term "non-fictional character biography" or "fictional person biography". Also, it seems odd to toss the word "biography" on an article about a "fictional character". Jonny2x4 (talk) 16:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

It might be a pet peeve, but that's irrelevant. Lots of people have little pet peeves about Wikipedia, me included, but that's just part of editing. As I said, while it might not exactly be set in stone, there's some documentation that suggests that "fictional character biography" is what's preferred by the project as a whole.Odin's Beard (talk) 17:01, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

You object to the use of biography, that;'s fine. consider it a character's history, not bio, if you want. However, to remove the 'fictional' is to remove a very real distinction between the in-universe character development and the real world history of the character, the publications, reactions, interpretations, and so on. You've yet to address that, nor comment on your willingness to self-revert. ThuranX (talk) 20:40, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Well why not just stick to "fictional biography" or "fictional history"? Jonny2x4 (talk) 00:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

A bit regarding Leon

Something came to mind regarding the edit bit about his name...I'm not entirely sure Scott is supposed to be his middle name as opposed to part of his last name. Don't two of the major villains in RE4 refer to him as "Mr. Scott Kennedy"?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 06:24, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure Resident Evil Archives or some other source I can't remember right now states that "Scott" is a middle name. At the very least, his name is usually spelled "Leon S. Kennedy" [4]. Jonny2x4 (talk) 06:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Alrighty then. Wonder if they didn't call him simply Mr. Kennedy in the RE4 dialogue due to the connotations it could have for an American audience. Could be something worth researching into down the line if you revive his article.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 06:50, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

The only character who ever refers to him as "Mr. Scott Kennedy" was Ramon Salazar and he only does it once (every other time, it was "Mr. Kennedy"). Jonny2x4 (talk) 07:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

hey thank you

for template:TV-in-universe it's perfect and west wing ep pages really needed exactly this. 69.141.11.242 (talk) 14:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, a did it because a lot of these West Wing character articles (and other TV drama-related articles from other series such as 24) reiterate much of the characters' backstories with no regard to real world info (not even citing the episodes in which the backstories). Jonny2x4 (talk) 14:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The Disambig template -- and your Cut and Paste split

Sorry to bust in like this:

1. Procedural things like this are not quite as certain as things like NPOV, so i won't say to you "Never put [[Category:Disambiguation]] on a Dab page." But if you ever find a situation that justifies using that Cat tag instead of {{Disambig}}, i'd be grateful learn from hearing about those circumstances.
2. You did a split on Street Fighter: The Movie by cutting and pasting, and then covering the old revisions with your pretty damn good Dab page. What i'm about to do is revert the conversion to Dab, tag it as under construction to discourage muddying the waters, and move the two new articles to my own user pages until (hopefully in the next 12 - 18 hours) i can figure out how to get your new content, organized essentially as you had in mind, into a form less offensive to GFDL, which frowns on effectively hiding all the previous editors' attributions where others are unlikely to think to look for them. I may have to ask you for some help if i need to be clearer abt the subject matter. I'm not going to give you more detail right now, but if you don't follow what i'm saying, it should help if you ask me some "I know that X is true ... " (i expect there is a lot of what i'd scattershot at a newer editor, that you already know) "... and i don't see why that doesn't apply here"-type questions.

TIA for your patience.
Jerzy•t 09:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• You've only increased my confidence that the split is called for.
  I'm about to start examining the edit history of the unsplit version; there's such a thing as a history split, and it probably makes sense if most edits are specific to a section. I'll keep you informed.
  --Jerzy•t 18:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
  
• I've got a printout of the roughly 250 edit-history entries, and i've gone thru the summaries, some of which are helpful. I'm abt to start looking at the corresponding diffs & recording ratings on an all-arcade-to-all-home scale. May be slow work; i'll send some progress reports.
  --Jerzy•t 01:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
  
  • About 1/4 thru list; interruptions reduced & finding my feet so it should go faster. Optimistic that a history split is worthwhile.
    --Jerzy•t 04:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
    
  • I could use some subject-matter-sensitive advice:
    1. The passage reading

       *Beating the game with Arkane, Khyber or F7 will simply give the player Blade's ending

       in the 04:55, 14 March 2007 revision has to be about the arcade version, right?

    2. What's the scoop on Hawk and Dahlsim? Are they just mentioned bcz someone confused SFII:M games with SFII game(s)? (I didn't think i'd grasp enuf to even ask that!)

OK, i've looked at each diff at least once, and by abt half way from start to today, i had a pretty good plan.I'll review at least the 1st half again, but using the last half as a sample, i found 32 edits affecting only coverage of the arcade version, 30 only the home version, and 41 affecting either both, or neither one specifically, i.e. edits in some sense dealing with the article as a whole.
I think the way to handle this is to delete the unsplit article, undelete only the home-version revisions and rename that article to the home-version title. Then undelete all but the Dab revisions, and rename that article to the arcade version title. At that point, all the remaining revisions, embodying either your Dab or my revision of it get undeleted, reverting if appropriate. That's the split.
Then it's time to merge each of your two articles resulting from the content split (presently stashed in my user space), with its respective split-out groups of historical revisions. (When we get to that point, i'll examine for overlapping dates, and if there are any, discuss options with you that should avoid confusion without depriving you of your proper attribution, esp. for selecting and reorganizing the passages for each split out page.
Finally, i'll check that i had remembered to edit- or rename summarize (or if not, add dummy edits just for the sake of having a disclaimer on the edit-history page), to indicate that the respective edit-histories don't quite tell the whole attribution story: some parts of the home-console article will not have the actual edit where a phrase or 'graph was introduced, bcz the same revision is doing that job in the arcade article's history. (And a similar but less often needed warning should be in the other article's history, mostly bcz i may have slipped up on a few revisions out of the 250.)
I haven't tried to exhaustively clarify WTF i'm talking abt, in case i've already thoroly confused you or bored you to tears. Ask if you want more.
Now i shall sleep, and hopefully reach the point, before your editing hours next end, where nothing stands in the way but being sure that you're comfortable with the succeeding steps -- the admin-only stuff i've roughly described above. Sorry this is taking so long; i've only done these steps before on a much smaller scale, so i'm getting a solid grip on the parts for which that grip comes only from solving a full-scale instance of the problem.
--Jerzy•t 10:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

• Tnx for those confirmations.
  As to the Dab title, there can be Rdrs to any Dab, or many titles can each be listed on several Dabs, and as many Dabs as are useful can be tailored to each those Dabs' specific titles. Arguably (tho i didn't know about the "evolution" when i edited the Dab, and it hadn't occurred to me once i knew abt it) Street Fighter: The Movie probably should have the movies in the "See also" section. And Street Fighter (disambiguation) almost certainly needs more entries for this franchise.
  Is there enuf for a stub on the J anime version? IMO it would be worth that work (as long as i don't have to do that work [grin]) just to ensure those who know abt the anime (esp. English-speaking residents of Japan) aren't distracted or confused by mistaking our existing articles for the anime.
  But crucially, whatever is done with the Dabs is completely independent of this de-cut-and-pasting project, which i'm now back at work on. (With a strong incentive for me to stay focused: the squirrel is now out of the house, and i really want to take a hike that doesn't last to far after sundown.)
  --Jerzy•t 19:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
  

• No, i didn't have any specific Rdrs in mind. But if there are N plausible titles that need disambiguation to exactly the *same* M pages, N-1 of them can be made Rdrs to the same Dab.
  The home-version split-out is done, except for the warning comment i mentioned. The rest should go faster, in the next hour or so, tho i may have to switch computers.
  --Jerzy•t 22:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
  
  • I'm sorry to be dense and thus confusing. In the midst of putting top priority on that long operation, i misread

    Anyway, I think Street Fighter: The Movie is better off as a disambiguation page, even if the film was simply titled Street Fighter and not Street Fighter: The Movie.

  as saying

  "SF:TM" would serve better as the title of the Dab, as if it were necessary to consider renaming it to "Street Fighter"

  and instead of taking time to study it before getting on with the splitting, i relied on that old stand-by rule, "When you can't say anything smart, don't dare say nothing at all."[wink] I agree with what i now understand you to mean, on the basis that they really don't seem to me to be much like a single game, and that the Dab is likely to be more efficient than any article that covers both, at getting users clear which title they're after.
  I'm off for a long weekend, and won't be done with the "disclaimers" i spoke of before departing. But other than that, my concerns have been met, and i appreciate your help. If i can be of help in the future, don't hesitate. Thanks,
  --Jerzy•t 06:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
  

Two things

• Weren't you working on the HnK character articles too?
• What do you think about combining Final Fight 2 and 3 into a paragraph for "Ports and sequels" in the primary Final Fight article?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:03, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Yes. I was working on cleaning up List of characters in Fist of the North Star, but I've been neglecting it lately. Last time I've checked, it still needed some clean-up. Then again so does the main Fist of the North Star article. A Ten no Haoh article (the Raoh spinoff manga) would be a good idea, seeing how it has already gotten an anime adaptation and there's a PSP fighting game coming soon.
    • Well a head's up then. TTN went wild and merged all the characters into the list directly. I undid the merge he'd done for Raoh and Kenshiro, though given the track record he'll probably either toss a merge proposal up or AfD it to see if he can force a merge. :\--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
  • I'll try to embellish Final Fight 2 and Final Fight 3 as much as I can, which is going to be hard to do, especially since Final Fight 2 is just a do-over of the original Final Fight and Final Fight Guy. It wouldn't be a bad idea if the article comes off too short. Jonny2x4 (talk) 02:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Alright then. 3 will probably end up shorter I'd reckon, given that the game didn't have any real legacy until a track from it was put in SFA Anthology.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:SF artwork

Hm. Not too wild about them when the artwork up covers the design well enough from head to toe (which ends up more important in a design like Chun-Li's than Ken's of course). The "chunk" out of the bottom left side of that Chun-Li artwork doesn't really help matters either.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 10:05, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of fighting styles in Fist of the North Star

I have nominated List of fighting styles in Fist of the North Star, an article you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fighting styles in Fist of the North Star (2nd nomination). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. TTN (talk) 21:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC) TTN (talk) 21:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Hadoken

• If this article is going to be around, it should be in Hadouken as the official spelling. JuJube (talk) 00:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
  • It used to be in Hadouken, but the anon editor who insists it should be kept simply copied and pasted the content of Hadouken (which is now a disambiguation page) to Hadoken (which was formerly a redirect) and as far as I know, that's not even permitted here. Jonny2x4 (talk) 00:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

DRV on Shirley the Loon

The deletion of that article is being discussed, and I appreciate your input. FMAFan1990 (talk) 02:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Fist of the North Star GAR

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Alternate titles, and columns in Lists of articles

I noticed that you are a big contributor in the "List of Famicom games", and I'd like to invite you to contribute to the Talk:List of Nintendo 64 games#Removal of Alternate Titles and Number of Players where we are discussing the use of keeping alternate titles in the "List of...games" some have suggested that they take up too much space and that other columns could seem to be "useful only to fans", and other things that have been mentioned that, and other 'List of' talk pages. I know you might be watching the page and seen how I mention this on the Famicom list page, but I hope you'll come and give you opinion, and hopefully keep these type of concerns from arising again and again at each "List of" pages. (Floppydog66 (talk) 23:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC))

Capcom Unity

What about Capcom Unity makes it questionable exactly? I thought they were supported directly by Capcom themselves, no? o_O

Also, really late reply but the Gouken article looks to be off to a good start. I'm guessing he'll get feedback galore once SF4 comes home to consoles, so that should give you plenty of reception. Sorry I didn't reply sooner, I kinda "crashed" when you sent that message due to a whole fiasco and forgot to send a response afterwards.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:01, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, the blogs in Capcom Unity aren't really maintained by any of the game's developers/producers/localization staff, but by fans hired by Capcom USA, so they tend to be a lot more informal and a lot of them don't even understand Japanese. That blog post that you cited for example, is basically just a Youtube clip of a movie file ripped from the Japanese SF IV website. Its technically official, but it isn't from the horse's mouth.

As for merging Sheng Long with Gouken. For what its worth, All About Capcom list "Sheng Long" as a character equivalent to Gouken in the arcade version of Street Fighter: The Movie, which is the only game in the series released in Japan to use the name Sheng Long (the endings in the game were untranslated in the Japanese version and were kept in English). Jonny2x4 (talk) 23:14, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah that seems to jive with what Alan Noon said about the character in his SF:TM commentary awhile back, though Noon seemed to be handling the character more in line with the rumor than the actual character. Talk about getting wires crossed.

As for Unity I get what you mean there. I cited them twice in Haggar's reception solely because they discussed fan reception for him, so that should still be kosher there.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:23, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah almost forgot. Merry Christmas man.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:40, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

They don't say much about "Sheng Long" in All About Capcom other than he's the character who takes place of Gouken as Ryu and Ken's sifu in the SF: The Movie game and that he is hated by his younger brother Akuma. The only reason why they don't acknowledge the Sheng Long/Shoryuken confusion in SF II is probably because it wasn't much of an issue over there as it something that only affected the English versions of the game.

Merry Christmas to you too! Jonny2x4 (talk) 00:02, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Since Ninja Gaiden is one of the things I recall you covering...

...any thoughts on merging Dead or Alive Ayane's article into the character list? Thus far I've only run across reception (and barely) for Kasumi and Christie from that mess, everything else just covering the female characters by themselves. Since she appeared in the Gaiden series figured you might know if some sources exist to keep around the article or just merge it.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 06:30, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I've never played any of the Xbox Ninja Gaiden games, just the NES trilogy. I wasn't even aware those two were in the Ninja Gaiden games. AFAIK, only Ayane was in the first Ninja Gaiden for Xbox and her role is more of a glorified cameo. Why don't you just make a List of characters in the Dead or Alive series, since Ayane, Christie, and Kasumi are more DOA characters than NG characters. Jonny2x4 (talk) 06:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)