User talk:John Vandenberg/Archive 2

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Ftr

A poll is currently being conducted at Talk:Ftr#Requested move to decide whether to move the article to FTR (bus). Your input would be appreciated. --Jorvik 10:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: TREAMIS World School

Tell you what - I'll userfy it for you if you want, and if you're able to improve the article now that the school is open, it can be moved back then. --Coredesat 05:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. --Coredesat 05:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion sorting tool

Hi John, I have installed your User:Jayvdb/Deletion sorting tool but nothing seems to show on my headers when I am in a AfD page. My total monobook.js is:

 // Script from User:AndyZ/peerreviewer.js
 importScript('User:AndyZ/peerreviewer.js'); //User:AndyZ/peerreviewer.js

 importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js');
 importScript('Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/delsort.js');

 DelsortConfig = {
   debugLevel : 0,
   watchDelsortedLists : 1,
   watchDelsortedAfd : 1,
   shortcuts : ['Authors','Australia','Lists']
 }

In article space I have tags for csd, last, rpp, prod and xfd. When I am in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicole bourne, for example, there are no new tags. What am I doing wrong? I just took the peerreview stuff out to see if it conflicts but it makes no difference. I'm using Firefox. Cheers, Brian. --Bduke 07:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Have you refreshed your browser cache ? If not or you are unsure what I mean, go to the afd and hit Ctrl-R. If you have tried that, it is possible that peerreviewer.js and delsort.js are not compatible; retry commenting that out of your monobook and refresh your browser cache again. If that doesnt work, then I am not sure what it could be — the best thing you can do in that case is to open up the Firefox Error console (under the Tools menu) and let me know what error it mentions. John Vandenberg 07:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Yep, refreshed cache and so on. Killed and restarted Firefox. Error log is much smaller. The flagged red message are "addlimenu is not defined" and it points to the line " var ul = addlimenu(tabs, 'delsort', 'delsort');". Must run. Tea has just hit the table. More later. --Bduke 08:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, that was the clue I needed. It appears that Twinkle is no longer dependent on "Add LI menu"; I have updated the documentation to indicate how to install this. John Vandenberg 08:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

That seems to do it, but I have not tested its use yet. What does the Optional:

 importScript('User:Quarl/util.js');
 importScript('User:Quarl/wikipage.js')

do? Is it something extra, over and above the Mandatory stuff? Thanks for all this. It looks as if it really helps deletion sorting. --Bduke 10:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Those two scripts are required for the "delsort" action to be available on the Afd Log pages. That is a new feature I have worked on recently in order to avoid having to load each Afd page in a separate tab; instead I can load the Log page and work throught the days Afds. I recommend using it in conjunction with Lupins popups.js, which can pop up the nominated page in an insert, again avoiding the need to load another page to work out what the nominated article is about. Beware though, Lupins popups.js leaks pretty badly; each popup is left in the window, so after about 50 popups my laptop grinds to a halt - the solution is to close the tab and start a new one window. I will try to fix this soon. John Vandenberg 13:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Morning, John, I am not quite clear how this is supposed to work. I have added the Quarl stuff and the Lupin/popups.js. In the AfD Log, how do you select an item? The popup appears if I put the cursor on the link to the article. That seems only marginally useful, particularly if it has the bug you describe. If I click on edit for an item, I then see the Delsort menu and can select the shortcut. That added the Delsort entry and adds the AfD discussion to the Deletion List. I then off course have to click the back button to get back to the AfD log. Is that the thing to do or is there a better way? I guess it is going to take me a while to get used to this and all the twinkle stuff too.

--Bduke 00:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

The delsort action is displayed on the Log page. So, if you go to Today's log you should see a "Delsort" link. I have uploaded a picture and included it in the documentation on User:Jayvdb/Deletion sorting tool. Clicking on "Delsort" will load a popup window will appear (different from the Lupin popup), displaying all of the delsort lists. Clicking on one of the delsort lists will delsort the article. John Vandenberg 02:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm getting blind in my old age, obviously. Thanks for all your help. --Bduke 02:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

No worries Brian; better documentation is needed to attract more users. Also note that the deletion window can be invoked from on the Afd page: instead of selecting a shortcut, click on "delsort". John Vandenberg 02:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Peer review

A different matter. The line in my monobook.js:-

importScript('User:AndyZ/peerreviewer.js'); //User:AndyZ/peerreviewer.js

now appears to be not working. It should add a peerreview to the right of the logout header when in a talk page. I thought it was working yesterday but there appears to be a conflict today, but there are no errors, only warnings, in the error console. Cheers, --Bduke 00:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Forget about the peer review stuff. It is supposed to show when editing an article, not in the talk page or editing the talk page, although the review gets put in the talk page. --Bduke 00:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

So, is this working correctly? If not, would you like me to have a look at the JavaScript and find the problem ? John Vandenberg 02:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I was less than clear. It is working. I'd just forgot what it did. It opens a window with the review comments and you can cut and paste them to the talk page or whereever. Quite usefull. --Bduke 02:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Journals WikiProject

Are you still interested in creating a Journals WikiProject? I have been considering proposing something similar, and would be keen to participate. Espresso Addict 03:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but I have been waiting for numbers before beginning. I have also wanted to create a few Wikipedia tools in order to automate some of the tasks the project will need performed. I'm glad to hear you are keen; take a look at some of the objectives on User:Jayvdb/Journals and edit/augment as you think is appropriate. Also worth looking at is WP:LOMJQ, which is the predecessor of the proposed Journals project. John Vandenberg 03:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Please take another at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 July 5

Hi,

I've redone the Goetz school article on my user pages and made some other comments at the bottom of the deletion-review discussion. I'm asking editors to comment on the changes I've made because they represent a new development, one I think we can form a pretty wide consensus around. I think the article as I've redone it meets the objections of many editors, and it certainly meets WP:V. Please take a look, but I think this deletion review will close today or early tomorrow, so please don't delay, act now and take advantage of this limited-time offer! Noroton 16:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the...

What do you think about using categories rather than the bullet'ed "Note: This debate has been included in the"? The category could be removed after the AfD was closed. Mrand ^T-C 22:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I am not keen on the idea, as deletion sorting notifies a new set of people of an Afd; that needs to be permanently recorded on the Afd, as Afd's are often reviewed at DRV or during subsequent Afd's of the same article. I am interested in hearing more about what you have in mind. John Vandenberg 02:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I was only suggesting removing the category because I (mistakenly) thought that they were removed from the list after the AfD was over. If not, then of course, the category could be kept there. I was just trying to think of a way to lower the amount of manual work required of maintaining that list. A category would require only one edit rather than two, on two different pages. Mrand ^T-C 16:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

There are categories applied to Afd's (see Category:AfD debates (Biographical) and they are automatically removed from the Afd by bots. However they are not fine grained enough to warrant domain experts taking a look. For example, the Visual Arts delsort list is closely watched by a few people who have a surprisingly good grasp on the type of visual artist that is notable, and which ones are not. If you look at Category:AfD_debates, there is no granularity there. We could improve the Afd category system, and discussion along those lines is a good idea over at WP:DS. But, I eventually got tired of the effort required to do deletion sorting, so I wrote a tool quick makes it a two click operation. Take a look at User:Jayvdb/Deletion sorting tool. John Vandenberg 17:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

The Mengals

I've just been looking with interest at your amendments to Asif Mengal. Firstly, are you 100% sure it's the same Asif Mengal in all the citations? Both Asif and Mengal are common enough names. The deputy secretary to the C.M. appears to be a civil service appointment as that's what the others are. (In case you're wondering (I did), DCO = District Coordination Officer.) The Jirga reference talks about Muhammed Asif Mengal. I'm very reluctant to go too far on these without cast-iron sources given the current political repression/turmoil in Balochistan. Anyhow, this is all fascinating stuff.... ROGER ^TALK 09:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, it is fascinating. While I am not 100% sure, I think I have put 2 and 2 together, as in the three cites I have used that mention Asif Mengal, it is as a leader of a (relatively) small community. But I have had some dinner and am going to dig around some more. p.s. it would be handy if you created a stub for District Coordination Officer, and add it to "DCO". John Vandenberg 10:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Done, which got me tangled up with Zila Nazim so I've created a single stub called Local government in Pakistan. Which, in retrospect, really ought to be merged into Districts of Pakistan. Feel free to do what you will with. ROGER ^TALK 13:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Joint Venture (music) AfD

You might want to revisit your !vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joint Venture (music); the discography listed in the article was for a different band with the same name (and the band up for deletion was not on that notable label). Precious Roy 14:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Userfied

Moved to userspace as requested. Sr13 04:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

History merged as requested. Sr13 19:20, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

RFA?

I always see you in AFD alot where you are a voice of reason there, and you do have some article writing experience and I'm wondering if you are interested in a RFA, as you do need the admin tools. Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 20:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I am interested, but it's not high on my todo list so I havent looked into it. I will only have sporadic access to the net over the next week; perhaps you can point me to some reading material that I can print off and read to understand what I need to do prior to an RFA? John Vandenberg 00:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

This is the best link I could find Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship, let me know once you are ready to accept a nomination. Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 02:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Nice going

Have seen the work you've been doing to beef up those WA shopping centres this morning, great going. I'm sitting on twenty articles at the moment from local papers, the west, and major trade publications which between breaks I'll be expanding the article and adding to accordingly. Also have a whole lot of info on the changing of hands around the time the last extensions occurred at the end of the 90's. Keep in touch. Thewinchester ^(talk) 02:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

16.6k and counting, increased 14x times over in the last 24hrs and I see from your work bringing about the creation of even more articles. Thewinchester ^(talk) 14:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's a rare change from School AfD's :) Your UniSuper article just got an additional reference and information about one of it's Employer-elected representatives. Doesn't help i'm a former Non-Executive Director of that University. Thewinchester ^(talk) 14:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Just seen the re-write, nice work on those two planning related refs. Scarily, this is kinda fast becoming another near-gold standard kind of article for shopping centres. Thewinchester ^(talk) 15:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Before I forget, you may want to go and add those references to the Garden City and Westfield Carousel articles as well. Thewinchester ^(talk) 15:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Transport in perth is still a work in progress, just have not got back to it. You no doubt know Orderinchaos (Of Infobox Australian Place and Hammersley, WA fame), so if you're going to go headlong into urban planning, have a good chat with him because he's a fountain of information on the topic and may already have a good chunk of the information you're need from the State Records Office, Battye et al on the topic. Thewinchester ^(talk) 16:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Transport in Perth

Hmmm - when I saw that - ok if it links with lots of other articles - the lack of historical material will make it a lame duck. Call out if you want refs. Good to check to see how other cities like Adelaide etc have similar articles. good start - but lots of work to do SatuSuro 08:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Stephen Tweedie

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AfD attention request

Not sure if this is out of order, but there's a somewhat contentions AfD (here) that has received little outside attention. Since the AfD was initiated, a number of single purpose accounts (likely sockpuppets) have started editing (and discussing on the talk page) the article; not !voting, fortunately. In any case, I wanted to see if some AfD regulars could stop by and weigh in. I'm not looking to sway !votes here—I haven't targeted deletionists; I'm asking editors that seem to !vote a lot on music-related AfDs. No reply is necessary but your opinion is valued. Pr 2.0 13:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Carmel High School (Mundelein, Illinois)

re: this edit; I thought the "challenge" half had been fulfilled when the unreferenced tag was placed and dated, over a year ago. I was trying to selectively engage the second half of "Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed." The tag does explicitly state that material may be removed. So what did I do wrong? 24.4.253.249 10:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so I'm getting two very different responses on my talk page, one referencing Wiki guidelines and one which seems to turn them on their head. John, I point you towards the POLICY page on verifiability - "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. [Y]ou may tag the sentence by adding the {{fact}} template, or tag the article by adding {{Not verified}} or {{Unreferenced}}. Do not leave unsourced information in articles for too long." 24.4.253.249 18:50, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Follow up

While I appreciate your efforts to provide better sources in articles, the discovery that you are following me around[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] rather than respond to my post above has really creeped me out. 24.4.253.249 20:31, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Jayvdb/Deletion sorting tool

Just wanted to say how much I appreciate this tool. It makes deletion sorting so much easier. I was working on something similar once, but my javascript really wasn't good enough. the wub "?!" 11:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

No problems. Thanks for using it! Im taking a bit of a break from delsorting at the moment, so Im pleased to see others taking up the task of delsorting thoroughly. John Vandenberg 11:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

John, the tool seems to fail in cases where the Afd article is not the first. This happened with Railpage Australia. It reported that the article did not exist. Sorry, I did not copy down the details. Remove that entry from the deletion sorting Australia page and then try to add it back. I added it by hand. --Bduke 00:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the bug report. I've updated the documentation to explain why the tool didnt work on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Railpage Australia (5). John Vandenberg 02:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm getting an error on "viewAfdNode.previousSibling.nodeValue = ' — (Afd: ';" in delsort.js in the logs, but I'm not sure what, if anything, has gone wrong. --Bduke 00:23, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it is something to do with the Delsort link not appearing in the deletion log when I clear the cache. Just before the error it flags two warning about the deletion page for one I sorted previously. --Bduke 00:31, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

The "Delsort" link appears against the entry when you are viewing the log file for the day, but it does not appear when the log file is transcluded in Wikipedia:Deletion today. The new page is quite useful, bringing everything together in one place. Could the tool be altered to make the "Delsort" link appear there too? --Bduke 22:26, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Y Support for Wikipedia:Deletion today has been added. John Vandenberg 01:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you

Thank you. Cburnett 02:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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Factory Records Catalogue: Style Question

Hey there. First off, thanks for the help; much appreciated.

In most "discographies", the accepted format is (in order) 1: Release Number, 2: Artist Name, 3: Release Title, 4: Format, 5: Year released.

I think we should follow this structure (and switch around the current Title/Release format) as it makes it easier to scan for specific artist releases (and in this case reinforces the Factory numbering system).

Opinion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Holdnyc (talk • contribs) 03:15, 9 August 2007

Also, while I have "release dates" on ALL Factory numbers, most would have to be listed twice, as the "Factory" release date, and the "Corrected" release date, as Factory was notoriously late on most all releases. As such, I think it probably best NOT to list either.

Again, your opinion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Holdnyc (talk • contribs) 03:17, 9 August 2007

I think the best approach is to reformat it as a table, with columns as desired. With a table, the columns can be sorted as the user chooses (see List of chess periodicals ). Your list of columns above make sense. Either you can have a go at making a table (see Help:Table ) or I will do it in a few hours. John Vandenberg 04:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Segger Microcontroller Systems AfD again

Segger Microcontroller Systems is up for deletion again. You commented before; perhaps you might care to comment again. —EncMstr 17:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:Wikivortex

Actually, the image was for the time when wikisource was needing a logo. What should i do about it.--The editor1 11:37, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Rgvedic Dating

Please instantly see on Talk:Rigveda#Dating the Rgveda : Suggestions -Vinay Jha 22:05, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikisource

If you regret it so much, why did you do it? This is where I was told this should go. Thanks for telling me otherwise, I'd not know.Rlevse 02:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Journey to the Center of the Earth book cover

Hi, I have replaced the book infobox image on Journey to the Center of the Earth with a PD image, moving Image:JulesVerne AJounreyToTheCentreOfTheEarth.jpg down further. Do you recall where you obtained that picture from? if it is PD, we can move it to Wikimedia Commons. John Vandenberg 07:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

No, I can't remember, probably an old Ebay sale and it isn't a particularly significant edition. Certainly not first. The edition you have put up is about as close as we are likely to get to 1st. So I would stick with that. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 08:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

common sense

This was an unfortunate edit. I've fixed it. Michael Hardy 20:35, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

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Jounals WikiProject (redux)

Hi there. I've recently been involved in some discussions about journals, and I was directed to User:Jayvdb/Journals. The discussions I'm talking about were at User talk:DGG#Impact factors, User talk:DGG#what journal articles should have as content and User talk:Geogre#IRC and AfD. Would you be interested in getting things going again with this proposed WikiProject? I'd probably be most interested in working on categories and the history of journals. The modern journals send me to sleep, but the 19th and early 20th century ones can be fascinating to research. Let me know what you think. Carcharoth 13:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

This project has been on ice while I waited for enough committed people to work with. In preparation I have been concentrating on learning the ins and outs of Wikisource, as I think that will be a vital aspect to advancing the encyclopedic presentation of journals, at least for journals where the articles are now in the PD. Also I have been learning how to run a bot in order to effectively tackle project tasks that involve lots of repetitive and boring work that can be automated. Over the last few weeks I have been thinking it is time to renew the effort, so it may be worthwhile moving the proposal into the project name space sooner rather than later, if only to centralise these discussions. I will catch up on those discussions you have pointed me to and get back to you. Thanks for adding your name, John Vandenberg 14:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

email

I'll be creating your RFA nom in the next few days, the first week of classes haven't done much. Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 21:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll create it tonight, I been busy with class and with WP:SPORTS. Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup Sports!} 16:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Jayvdb. I normally would have done a more detailed nom (time issues). Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup Sports!} 02:21, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikisource

If you can remember, let me know when my wikisource stuff gets deleted. Then I'll fix my articles. I already have the stuff on my own computer. Rlevse 23:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Annual

I did not realize annual was a possible synonym for yearbook, 'til I looked at the latter article. Good catch! —johndburger 18:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Minor nit-pick on your RfA

Hi Jayvdb,

I almost made a comment in your RfA, then thought it would be silly, and came here. Now I still feel silly, and am not sure I'm going to hit Save Page or not. I'm 99% sure you just misspoke, but please take a look at the last sentence of your answer to Q1. I assume from the remainder of your answer you mean "no fair-use", not "no public domain". I'm sure people know what you mean, but it might save you a needless followup question. --barneca (talk) 13:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

fair-use media belongs on Wikipedia. public domain media belongs on commons:Commons. It is important that we educate users to upload public domain media onto the commons in order that the images can be used on Wikipedia in other languages and projects like Wikisource. For example, see the image on s:United States patent number:X1 that has only recently been moved from here to the commons. John Vandenberg 22:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Ahhh, I see what you're saying. Hadn't thought about it before (images aren't really my thing). Thanks, and good luck with your RfA. --barneca (talk) 12:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Jayvdb/List of Pokemon Afd

Hey. Someone on the WP:PCP linked to this, and I thought it was a great, very nice, informative page. Jeske and I added a dozen more AFDs that had popped up since the creation of the page in March. MWould you mind if we could move this to, say Wikipedia:WikiProject Pokémon/AFD history? hbdragon88 23:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Not at all. John Vandenberg 23:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Image:HalloweenIII1_masks.jpg

So how do you delete one of the copies on the server? Or does it not matter? — Enter Movie 12:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Your RfA was successful

Congratulations, I have closed your RfA as successful and you are now a sysop! If you have any questions about adminship, feel free to ask me. Please consider messaging me on IRC for access to the #wikipedia-en-admins channel. Good luck! --Deskana (talky) 08:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations and welcome to the team :) - Alison ❤ 08:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Heartiest congratulations. Now get to work...! The Rambling Man 08:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Congrats Jay! Now, as Rambling Man said, get to work!!! :) Jmlk17 08:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you to everyone for the kinds words of support! John Vandenberg 09:18, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations

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Linking to other wikipedias

Congratulations on your RFA. Just a quick note about this edit. When linking to entries on other wikipedias, you need to do so explicitly (see how I did this in my comment on the same AfD). Just using the interwiki link doesn't work. Apologies if you already knew this, as it is an easy mistake to make (I've done this in the past). Check out the version after your edit: see here. The word you were trying to link has disappered, and instead an interwiki link appears below the toolbox (lower left). Carcharoth 11:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks; I was trying to fix the opening nomination so it didnt have a redlink, but forgot to put the colon in. I did know, but it doesnt hurt to be reminded! John Vandenberg 11:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

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Endgameottoman

Hiya mate, sorry about all of this. You're right, it does look like it was taken out of a book, but unfortunately I obtained it from a website. [10] It does make you wonder if it was even used fairly on the website I obtained it too, though. I'm sorry, but all I can give you is the link to the sight. Sixer Fixer 14:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/JVbot

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Cheers! — madman bum and angel 03:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

thankx for being attention

yes sir i know the history of this pic image:Shah Abdul Latif Bhittai.jpg but my many photos deleted by someone , idont why ?

can u help me about that problem.

Regards,

--Mangrio 09:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

• OK now i will write all about that picture which i upload now but can you tell me that, which option i choose, becuase these all photos are taken by me from book and some picture i take from website.

Mangrio^{user talk:Mehran Mangrio --Mangrio 09:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)}

CSD of Talk:Jaymz Tuaileva

I wanted the talk page deleted because it is a talk page of a redirect with no meaningful edits made to it. It just had a wpbiography banner placed on it at one time, before the article was merged. I just don't like blank talk pags laying around :). Hope that answered your question, Psychless 01:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Academic Journals

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		In appreciation for your work getting Wikipedia:WikiProject Academic Journals off the ground. I've long though we needed this and I'm glad someone with your energy got involved! JayHenry 06:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Movses Kaghankatvatsi

Hi. Could you please help us resolve the dispute we have with regard to the ethnic origin of the medieval historian Movses Kaghankatvatsi? Please see the talk of the article. Regards, --Grandmaster 10:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

King Orgasmus One

Lol? In what way this article has any asserts of notability? Reply here. Thank you.--Tasc0 05:08, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

His album was declared unfit for youth and was mentioned by a politician. There are plenty of google news hits for the artist and his albums, and the German article has more assertions of notability. John Vandenberg 05:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Orshabaal

I saw that you deprodded Orshabaal with the reason that it could all be merged. Usually I'm all for merging, and I've never prodded an article before, but the problem with that article is that as a player of that game I know that almost all the information (which appears to be original research) in it is simply wrong anyway. Were I to remove the incorrect information, we'd be left with the creature's name, someone's little essay on where they think the name came from, and the creature's ingame "loot", which is just considered game guide content and inappropriate anyway. I'd be happy to merge it, but I really don't see what can be merged other than the fact that there is in fact a monster called Orshabaal which is a boss in the game Tibia. Thanks, let me know what you think or if you have any ideas. SouperAwesome 09:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

As you know about this game, my suggestion is that you take a look at pt:Demon (Tibia) for a rough guide on how you can write an article about the demons/bosses in the game. John Vandenberg 22:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Speedy delete of Bobby Hicks seems to have been premature...

I've just re-created Bobby Hicks as a stub, with some assertion of notability, since it got hit with WP:CSD#A7 previously. (Not my genre, so I wasn't watching.) Is there a way to bring back the text from the deleted article? best regards, __Just plain Bill 16:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

You have done the right thing here; whilst checking whether it should be deleted, I did notice a lot of mentions to a "Bobby Hicks" that was a fiddler. However, the article was about a film director of little fame who was born in Indianapolis, Indiana on June 22, 1990, so I deleted it to make room for the fiddler. If you can prove that the fiddler was also a film director with the same date of birth, then I will restore the deleted revisions. John Vandenberg 22:11, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

That's going to be difficult to prove. Born in 1990, that other kid could hardly have been hired by Bill Monroe in the early days of bluegrass. No need to restore anything here... Thanks! __Just plain Bill 00:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Kilbil St Joseph's High School

You recently removed a prod on the above article because it was an "old" article. The article was old but basically had not been edited in any meaningful way for a period of time. I reviewed the article as part of a review of "unclear importance" tags and found nothing that asserted importance in any searches I made. Since a school can't be speedied, (so I've been told), I used a prod. I don't buy the old explanation. If the school has notability that I missed; great!. Otherwise, I respectfully request that you review your decision. Cheers! --Stormbay 18:35, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

High schools are generally notable, and Indian articles are generally in need of cleanup and sourcing rather than deletion. Feel free to take it to WP:AFD. John Vandenberg 22:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm fine with that explanation (although I basically disagree with the "generally notable", I respect your view). I didn't understand the "old article" reason in your initial edit summary. Thanks for your response. --Stormbay 00:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I mentioned "old article" because it tipped the balance for me; we dont know how many eyes have seen that article in the nine months its been around, so I think an Afd is warranted before we delete it. John Vandenberg 00:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

re: Polish Hill

I'm not trying to rescind the free license. I'm trying to get the image gone so I can reupload it later on Commons under a different username. I would prefer not to have photos that I have taken linked directly to this username for privacy reasons. Kolindigo 00:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Van Halen lineup pic

You moved it based on fair use? I would say any pictures of the band with the new lineup are vital, since the last photos we have only contain half the present lineup and were from 2 years ago. I'm too busy to sort out complicated fair use writeups, but was wondering how much thought you put into it.(The Elfoid 00:32, 1 October 2007 (UTC))

The image was only recently uploaded, and it appeared on my desk because a duplicate was also uploaded. Personally I think Van Halen has too many non-free images, whereas the 2007 article had none, so in order to ensure that the image was justified I put in on the safer "fair-use" article. If nobody does a fair-use rationale, the bots will get it. John Vandenberg 01:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

monobook.js

Hi, your monobook is turning up in Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion. John Vandenberg 02:13, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

OK...I have no idea why it is there. -jj137 ^T/_C 02:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Can you give me a little help here? My monobook is the speedy category and the only way I can figure out how to get rid of it there is to add <nowiki> to my monobook but then it basically makes everything else there null-and-void. Thanks -jj137 ^T/_C 02:25, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

All right, nevermind, I got it worked out. Thanks -jj137 ^T/_C 02:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

It appears you noticed I had the same problem, thanks for fixing it. Camaron1 | Chris 21:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Mhart54com's archives

The user was blocked indefinitely. User talk:Mhart54com/Archive 1 and User talk:Mhart54com/Archive 2 are just taking up space. Why should they stay? They should be deleted. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Take them to WP:MFD. John Vandenberg 03:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:News paper clipping potrays prabir as GS.jpg

This image was uploaded as part of a long feud on Talk:Prabir Ghosh, which was removed on grounds of being inappropriate and violating No Personal Attacks. I flagged it as no context, because there is no specific db category for images. It is also obviously not English. Michaelbusch 05:34, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Images cant be deleted on that ground. However, it looks like it isnt a PD image, so I suggest you take the image to WP:PUI. John Vandenberg 05:51, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Sekaa gong tirta sinar

Have you noticed the fine print on the {{prod}} template? It says "You may remove this message if you improve the article or otherwise object to its deletion for any reason. To avoid confusion, it helps to explain why you object to the deletion, either in the edit summary or on the talk page." (Caniago 06:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC))

Notability was asserted, even if it is not justified. Thanks for taking it to Afd. John Vandenberg 06:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Exactly where is notabilty asserted? There are a set of criteria Wikipedia has for notabilty: which criteria does it meet? The comment I put on the prod template was "non-notable musical group which doesn't meet the Wikipedia:Notability (music) criteria", which you didn't address at all in your removal of the template, or in your comment above. (Caniago 06:25, 2 October 2007 (UTC))

Notability is determined by consensus; the prod criteria are crafted specifically to deal with bands that are a dim a dozen, whereas this is a rather unique group in my opinion, at least in Australia. John Vandenberg 06:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Possible Copyright violation in numismatic articles

Thanks for assessing the articles Banknotes of the Swakopmund Bookshop (South West Africa) and Banknotes of the British Solomon Islands Protectorate‎ for copyright violations. However, I'm a bit confused as to the criteria used in the decisions you took and wondered if you could explain why, in the first, you removed the catalogue details but you made no changes to the second. As you say, with the exception of the catalogue numbers, the details do give facts but, given that the texts were lifted straight from the catalogue, I'm not sure whether the text, presented in that manner, represents a violation of Krause Publications copyright or not. I should point out that I have no connection with KP, I'm more worried that they could cause trouble in the future if they discover their catalogues being plagiarized in Wikipedia.
Dove1950 09:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Banknotes of the British Solomon Islands Protectorate contained primarily facts, which are not able to be copyrighted; also the ordering and grouping of the data isnt unusual, so the collection of facts cant be copyrighted.

OTOH, Banknotes of the Swakopmund Bookshop (South West Africa) contained lots of detailed phrases from out of the catalogue, so much so that I agree it was a copyright violation. If possible, copyvio's should be removed without the article being deleted, so I removed the section entirely as that was the quickest way to remove the copyvio. Ideally, the facts should be re-introduced in our own words, but I didnt bother with that.

I hope that helps. John Vandenberg 11:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I think I see your point but I would like to make it clear that both articles contained exactly what's written in the catalogues, word for word, with exactly the same formatting. The only difference is that the catalogue gives more detail for South West Africa's notes than it does for the Solomon Islands. I do agree that the information "in our own words" is the best solution and ultimate goal.
Dove1950 13:18, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The devil is in the details :-) By that I mean that duplicating the catalogue entry for the Solomon Islands is much less a problem because it contained very little creative input: the descriptions are bland and the ordering is merely logical. Any two people tasked with the job of summarising that information would have created almost identical text. John Vandenberg 00:49, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Regarding non-free image

Hi. I noticed that you reverted my {{Db-badfairuse}} edit to Image:Sandstone Formation in Golden Gate Highlands National Park01.jpg (which I originally uploaded). My reason for tagging it for deletion was that it is possible to get a free image of the park by actually going there, and so it is not permissible for Wikipedia per WP:NFCC#1. I'm glad that the picture is permissible in Golden Gate Highlands National Park, but I'm finding WP:NFCC confusing! Bláthnaid 12:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

1 Litre of Tears (disambiguation)

FWIW, I used db-disambig on 1 Litre of Tears (disambiguation) because it only disambiguates one entry. The wikilink in the intro paragraph is not a dab entry -- that's the base name primary topic. If there were no primary topic, then the two links would be entries on the base name dab. Cheers! -- JHunterJ 11:20, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Missing text on Banned Books

No problem. I noticed the trouble, didn't know how to research to fix, so I left the flag knowing some other editor could handle it. -- Rpyle731 from a public computer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.4.145.66 (talk) 22:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I am blind

Silly me, sometimes your signature displays as John Vandenberg (spelled out in full), other times as Jayvdb. Both, however, always point to User:Jayvdb. My confusion was at first that these were different users! Then I thought you had two accounts, because you'd been on Wiki for a long time, maybe you used one from work, another from home or something. My confusion, sorted now. <blush> Sorry to waste your time on that one. Alastair Haines 02:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Astronomische Nachrichten

Sorry about not putting references on that article. Have a look at the talk page if you want some more references to add. The history so far has been absolutely fascinating. Hope you found it as interesting as I have! One thing I haven't put in there yet is the prediction of positronium, which (according to that article) was first published in this journal. We probably also want to get the German Wikipedia people to check lots of this from German sources. Maybe bounce it back and forth a bit. What is amazing, I think, is seeing the journal staying fairly constant, while human history swirls around it. From Danish royal patronage, through the Third Reich and the Cold War, changing languages and territories, going through ups and downs, but still surviving (just). Anyway, more on the scientific content would be good, but I'm leaving this again for a bit now. Thanks again for coming in and filling in references! Carcharoth 04:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Yay! We've attracted a vandal. Thanks for reverting. Carcharoth 00:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the English wikisource articles! I noticed the wrong year in one of the section titles (1968 instead of 1868). But the Babbage article is a great find. Should wikisource templates be added to the author pages as well? Another thought is that some of the more famous eclipses and transits will probably be covered in these journals - including the first times such things were properly studied, observed or photographed. Searching in German might be a bit difficult, but if we identify the year and articles by searching elsewhere, we should then be able to add stuff. One quick question (I'm seriously thinking of getting an account at Wikisource) - are these OCRs of online scans of the articles? Or are you using another source? I noticed a few typos in the Herschel notice, but wonderd if they were in the original (eg. angels for angles and undertake for undertaken). Also, still with the Herschel notice, I think the "Stuve" should be Friedrich Georg Wilhelm von Struve (this is confirmed by the reference to Dorpat, which is mentioned in the Struve article - this observatory, now called Tartu Observatory, is in Estonia!), and of course Herschel's "Father" is William Herschel. "Mr South" will be James South (the star catalogue is mentioned in that article). Finally, did you notice that Struve was born in Altona where Schumacher founded the journal! If adding links like this is normal procedure in Wikisource (I can see why people would be cautious about getting things wrong), I'll be over there like a shot! :-) Carcharoth 06:05, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

The side-by-side comparison is good. I had seen that before, but the wikisource page and the comparison page don't seem to be linked. Should they be? Getting from one to the other should be done by links somewhere, surely? Typing out by hand is fine, though maybe a note should be made somewhere so people know whether it was OCR or hand-typed? I'm confident I'll get the links right, and I too leave stuff off if I'm not sure, so I'll try and register an account soon and do that. With the ones with ADS images - would it be possible to link to the ADS images, so people can verify what has been transcribed? I look forward to seeing the Latin ones - on a Latin wikisource, I presume! :-) We must try and get these foreign language ones translated. Also, can I ask you how the wikisource templates work here on Wikipedia. I've been putting external links on the South and Herschel articles. How would I use a template, and is it sometimes best to use a link rather than a template if you want to go into detail? Carcharoth 07:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Uptown (website) and 1-800 New Funk

Hi.

Sorry if my English isn't good, I'm not native speaker.

Uptown (as you can see in their homepage [11]) was a group of fans and collectors colleting information about Prince from different sources, even doing some kind of research to get unofficial information.

They published many magazines and books with information they collected until 2005. They were probably the most important source of information about Prince (if you wanted more than the "official" news) before Internet forum's became popular. Due to the Internet boom and legal threats from Prince lawers they stopped working by 2005.

So I think they deserve a Wikipedia entry.

And I'd like to comment other deleted entry: 1-800 New Funk.

It's a music album by Prince (mainly) and other artist. But it was deleted because somebody considered it an advertisement of a phone line. But it isn't, it's an album page (you can see these links: album cover and songs [12], lyrics [13] and Wikipedia page of Prince discography with an entry for 1-800 New Funk in 1994 [14])

During some time Prince used that phone number to sell his music, but now it's not working. So I think it had to be undelete (perhaps with a disclaimer explaining the different meanings of the entry).

Yours,

--El Pantera 17:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

My recent RfA

I am sorry you felt it necessary to oppose my recent RfA, which did not succeed. I will attempt to get more experience in the main namespace and the Wikipedia namespace and will try again for RfA in two month's time. I hope I will have satisfied your concerns by then, but if not, please comment as you feel you should. Thanks for participating in my RfA. -- Cobi^(t|c|b|cn) 08:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Theological Journal

Obvious choice. Journal of Biblical Literature. Thanks for this encouragement and help. It will set an example for others in our field to work from for many other needed articles. Alastair Haines 01:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes and yes. Yes, I will add the journal with pitch. Yes, next week while photocopying for my own research, I will also work on OCR for pre 1923 JBLs. I will start with one article per issue working backwards, whichever looks most widely relevant. I will check for open access sources for the text of these articles online as well, however. OCR is messy, and typing up the articles would be very time consuming, even at my 60wpm. ;) Alastair Haines 02:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I didn't understand the process. Very easy then. Also Moore Theological College, where I do most of my research, has all serials from #1 to present. :D Alastair Haines 02:51, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It's great to have you chase me! I actually remembered a couple of days ago that I'd forgotten to keep my promise. I will do the scanning this week and be ready for collaboration next week. Sooner is better than later.

I recently did put up a journal article because people were unsure about the journal (and so was I). I've learned a bit by watching your work. ;) The Journal of Men's Studies and Men's Studies Press now answer the questions editors had. WikiProject Academic journals proves, once again to be on the right track. :D Alastair Haines 05:21, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

LoL, indelible ink is a rare commodity at Wiki, use it wisely. ;) Alastair Haines 05:52, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for this tip-off John. I think this is actually important. I know there is a cult group that base bizarre theology on an insistance that the whole NT was originally composed in Aramaic. The idea that Matthew may have been originally in Aramaic is quite mainstream, but inconclusive. A collection of quotations from church fathers relevant to the discussion is a very helpful collection of "primary" sources (they are, of course, secondary or less).

I will confirm that they accurately reflect the sources they claim to quote (I wish we had the Greek or Latin), and pitch in to the discussion.

Shouldn't stop me getting to the library for early copies of JBL though. ;) Alastair Haines 07:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Deletion sorting tool

Hi, Jayvdb. The tool appears to insert additions to category Albums and songs into the comment field at the head of the section, so that the added entry is not visible on the page. For example: [15] --Rrburke^(talk) 13:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I've fixed that page.[16] It was the greater-than sign in "<AFD link>" embedded in the hidden comment that caused the problem. Thanks for reporting the problem. John Vandenberg 00:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

October 2007 newsletter for WikiProject Abandoned Articles

Welcome

The WikiProject welcomes two new members in the past three months:

• Java7837
• Nearly Human

Progress

The WikiProject is now halfway done, numerically, with the 1000 articles identified in December 2006. The first (oldest) 500 articles have been claimed, reviewed, and (when needed, which was almost all cases) improved. Moreover, given the passage of time, many of articles 501 through 1000 have been worked on by other editors (it's ten months since that list was generated). So reviewing the second half of the 1000 articles should be easier.

A slightly different approach

Section 6 (articles 501 through 600 on the list) has been organized differently than the previous five sections. First, blocks are (roughly) five articles each, rather than 10, making it easier for you to claim and finish a block. Second, perhaps more importantly, each block consists of similar pages; if you're interested in fixing disambiguation pages, there are blocks of those; if you're interested in articles (which is what the project originally started out being), there are blocks of those; and there is one block of lists and one of redirects (mostly redirects to articles). So, fewer surprises this time when you claim a block.

In addition, since the project now has 25 active members (though some are likely inactive), having more blocks will make it easier to spread the editing around.

Inactivating your membership

If you received this newsletter on your user talk page and don't want to receive such postings in the future, please move your name, in the participants section of the WikiProject, to the "Inactive" subsection.

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Re: User:Qxz/Redlinks

why did you revert the deletion request for these pages? they appear to be valid author deletion requests. John Vandenberg 01:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Have a look at the date of the deletion requests, and the deletion logs of the pages. They were deleted seven months ago, and I have just requested that they be restored; obviously I have to remove the deletion request tags otherwise they will be deleted again, which is not what I want. If you're still confused, see where User:Qxz points. Thanks – Gurch 01:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Lovely, thanks for the explanation. Edit summaries would have helped. John Vandenberg 01:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Ahr Images

IN regards to: permission for AhR.jpg

Hi, on Image:AhR.jpg you have tagged it as public domain, and then IP addresses have claimed it is used with permission from the journal(s) it appeared in. I suspect that the image is not public domain, but if you can explain how permission has been granted, we can probably find another tag to keep the bots away. John Vandenberg 04:52, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

-I was the IP address, I forgot to log in. I received permission for both images on the AhR page from each journals copyright office to place the images on the Wiki article. The appropriate labeling of each image is in the figure description and must remain as such as per the journals. Demantos 11:54, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply

I'm still relatively new to Wiki and would appreciate the help fixing the images. Like I said, I have written (email) permission from each journal to use the images in the Wiki article as long as the permission statement is included in each figure legend. Demantos 12:03, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

ACM Multimedia

You may want to challenge my reponse to your AfD vote. I ask that you consider my argument and change your vote to merge. Robert K S 05:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Warning:Javascript security issue

Hi! I need to inform you that I've protected Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Changes since I last edited because it allows users to add code to the javascript of other users. If you are an admin, you are still able to edit it, but if you are not an admin, please copy and paste it into your userspace to continue modifying it. We can set up a message at the old javascript page telling users to change their links. If you need help, please contact me or User:Eagle_101. Thanks, --uǝʌǝsʎʇɹnoɟʇs 00:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

re John Long

Just delete the John Long thing. It was supposed to be a primary source for the Christian Conventions article here on WP. The idea was that, given few secondary sources for the topic a primary one could be useful, but only if it were in the public domain. Unfortunately I never fully figured out if we could put that in the public domain via WikiSource and kind of gave up.

As to the background information on John Long... he was apparently the first 'preaching companion' of William Irvine (not particularly notable) and his son gave written permission for scans of the diary to go online under a non-commercial CC license. The scans were sourced from a lady who published photos of the diary and Long's son here. Donama 05:21, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, as this is just a single image on its own, I am going to delete it on Wikisource for the moment. However, if you are able to secure a better agreement with the copyright holder, or we can determine that it is in fact public domain, we can easily undelete it. I have looked into this further as it could be a very valuable resource, and it all comes down to which country he was a citizen of. If he was a citizen of USA, then it is public domain if he died before 1937. If he remained a citizen of the UK, it is copyright for 50 years after it is first published - if it hasnt been published yet, then it is still protected. John Vandenberg 09:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

OR if it's pushed into the public domain by copyright holder (ie. his son) with a CC licence, which is what we were asserting. Anyway, I agree to go ahead and delete it for now... 1. because the copyright status is evidently not satisfactory and 2. because the noteworthiness of this particular primary source isn't necessarily obvious. Cheers Donama 01:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Automated DelSorting

Ceyockey talk page permalink for reference

There are a lot of things being examined at User:Ceyockey/Notifying WikiProjects of Deletion Proposals, some of which can be addressed by a bot. The page was designed more for information gathering to assist manual delsorting a) of PROD'd articles and b) with a WikiProject focus, one aim being c) to encourage by action the use of the DelSorting concept across the breadth of WikiProjects. Some WikiProjects have embraced PROD-notification as an active workstream while others are actively opposed; many are indifferent. I'll compose a section of the page some time in the next week or two that relates some of my thoughts on what might be automatable and I'll give you a shout here when that gets started so we can discuss in more detail. As far as bot authoring, I've not done it before, but considering I know basic Perl I think I could learn how to compose the code for one in a reasonable period of time; however, working with an experienced bot author would be the most efficient way to go. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 12:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Journal of Biblical Literature

I did get to the library on Friday. Early serials are available on microfiche. I will put some time into those next week.

I also discovered that one of the serials was simply reports of minutes from the various chapters of SBL. This serial was from the late 50s but may provide insights into the workings of the society.

The society will have an international conference in New Zealand in 2008.

Apart from one appointment on Monday morning, my time is fairly flexible next week.

Cheers, Alastair Haines 04:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:CAULmed.png

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If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 18:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Yikes

I just got home after proudly copying a few hundred pages of JBL early journals. And what do you know, only the last page actually got sent. :((

I hope the full file still exists on the library computer somewhere, I'll aim to get there early tomorrow morning.

The priority is info on the society and journal, not the text of articles, so I'm starting in on that now.

Cheers Alastair Haines 06:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Dim but nice

Could you help out at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dim 3? My deletion recomendation may have been harsh and an expert opinion may be needed. I feel the guys begging to keep it need some expert encouragement or discouragement, depending on your viewpoint.--Gavin Collins 15:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

List of Presidents of the American Bar Association

Can you help me with this list? You seem knowledgable based on your update last year to David Farrow Maxwell. If you are too busy, can you direct me to a source I can use for the list. --Dr who1975 20:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

List of eighteenth century journals

I've removed the "Under Construction" tag.

It's far from thoroughly researched, each line really needs double checking and verifying to be sure of dates and dig up printers and confirm each is notable.

But it's now best passed to experts, its a solid enough start for a first 24 hours.

FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 22:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Scans

I've been caught up the last two days but will be in the library again tomorrow. I will check for the scans, and reproduce them if necessary.

I found a couple of useful sources that were not available online, one was from the Times Literary Supplement earlier this year. If I can manage it, I will also check Sydney Uni library for TLS tomorrow.

I found googling for information on JBL difficult because articles from it are cited all over the web. You must have had this difficulty with other journals, do you have a trick for getting around it? Alastair Haines 13:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

An excellent resource. I'll try for TLS, also, on my way now. Alastair Haines 01:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Disruptive user

Hi Jayvdb! Long time, no talk to... Back when I was a very new user, you helped me out with a couple of questions. Now I'm looking for some help with a new user who's stomping all over some articles that we at WP:BIRD have been working on (one FA, a couple not). S/he has been putting "Update", "Verify", "Old", etc. boxes at the top, and ignoring requests from several of us to explain why the boxes are being added. (The verify box, for example, was at the top of a FA with 79 citations!)They've also been added into the middle of taxobox templates, which means those are no longer displaying properly; instead, long strings of programming text are displaying. Several of us are in danger of violating the 3RR rule trying to keep the articles readable. What do you suggest we do next? MeegsC | Talk 17:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

A couple of the affected articles are Peregrine Falcon and Falconiformes, by the way. And the user's name is Efose2. (I note there's also an Efose.) MeegsC | Talk 17:18, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! I hate to bite the newcomers—we were all there once—but this one didn't seem to want to respond to anybody's questions, and I was worried we had a loose-cannon vandal at work. MeegsC | Talk 12:23, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

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Toolserveraccount

Hello Jayvdb,
please send your real-name, your wikiname, your prefered login-name and the public part of your ssh-key to . We plan to create your account soon then. --DaB. 16:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
P.S: Please speak with the projects, before you beginn to move images to commons. --88.68.193.166 16:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Tony Abbott

Your comments to the uploader of this image were IMHO quite bad as it is highly doubtful it is in the Public Domain. It seems he has taken the easy way out and claimed PD for an image that is obviously professional and copyright. Timeshift 16:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

My comment on User talk:Dimensional dan informed the user what they needed to do on the presumption that their commit comment This is a photo taken of Tony Abbott when he visited our office. was correct (see the upload log to view that quote). If it is correct, we have one more free image. If it is incorrect, then it is the uploader who is liable for copyright infringement.

We do not work in a vacuum; Tony Abbott and his staff are bound to check his Wikipedia page, and can inform OTRS if the uploaders assertion is incorrect. John Vandenberg 17:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Micro/macro

It seems that Apollo is continuing to revert to microeconomic only, he is unable to accept including both micro and macro, and from his insistance on this single version and accepting no compromises, I think he is going to continue to insist on his specific version. I would appreciate some authority to be used with his continual reverts with absolutely no compromise taken on board from me, or offered by him. Timeshift 06:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Greetings

The Australian way to conduct Wikimedia meetups: some mates, a couple of beers, a few yarns and a good laugh!

Greetings Jayvdb, it was really nice to meet you today. I uploaded some images and added them to the meetup page here, but I thought you might enjoy the one at right; it's an absolute gem! :) Cheers, Sarah 14:48, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Freidlander

Sorry, I don't recall where I got it. Almost certainly from an edition of one of his books or from a work "in honor of." However, he died in 1910, and I'm sure the picture was taken before his death, so in all likelihood it is public domain. If you would like me to expend some effort in tracking down the source, I can try, but it won't be immediate. Thanks. —Dfass (talk) 15:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)