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hostage taking vs human shields

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Listen, the crime the LTTE did is very specific. They shot at civilians trying to leave the warzone, and kept them in the warzone at gunpoint. In international law, this fits the crime of hostage taking not human shields. The UN report makes thats very clear. It cannot be both, as both crimes are different in international law, it has to be one or the another, but not both. I am not being unreasonable here. Your point about the death toll is nothing like this! Oz346 (talk) 20:12, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple Human Rights Organizations have described these actions as human shields. You can't simply neglect them. This should be mentioned somewhere in the article. JohnWiki159 (talk) 08:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Athimanian comment

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It's also your personal opinion that Athimanian was referring to a desire to ethnic cleanse all Sinhalese from north and east (including civilians). Where is your proof for that? What makes you think he is referring to all Sinhalese, when even the LTTE's own official materials refers to the Sri Lankan Armed forces often as just 'Sinhalese'. It is an ambiguous statement, and you are forcing a biased POV to justify what you want to believe. Oz346 (talk) 14:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Me knowing the context and having come across the LTTE's pronouncements and propaganda materials in Tamil, I strongly believe that he is referring specifically to the Sri Lankan Armed forces when he uses the word 'Sinhalese'. The Sri Lanka Army were often just called as the 'Sinhalese' by the LTTE in their propaganda materials. One example out of many is here from this LTTE song:

கொடுங்கோலன் சிங்களவன் Kodungkolan Sinhalayo (wiki is not letting me link the youtube link, but you can find it on google.)

The lyrics refer to the army soldier as just 'Sinhalavan' (Sinhala man) and that his fort and lion flag will fall following an attack.

That UTHR quote you inserted didn't cite it within the context of ethnic cleansing, that's your own interpretation. You need to provide evidence that Sinhalese in that context is used in the sense of Sinhalese civilians and not army. Oz346 (talk) 14:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Its your personal opinion and your belief. He clearly says, "Our goal is to drive away Sinhalese from the North-East...". Not "Sinhalese soldiers" as your opinion. It is just crystal clear. Also look at this. "Our Leader is supreme and unfathomably wise, the Sinhalese and the rest of the world are fools".[1] How are you trying to justify this now? Are you trying to say they are referring to Soldiers here too? JohnWiki159 (talk) 18:10, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Our goal is to drive away Sinhalese from the North-East...". Not "Sinhalese soldiers" as your opinion. It is just crystal clear."

More like clear as mud. I have just given you evidence of when 'Sinhalese' was used specifically to refer to just Sinhala soldiers. That quote about Sinhalese being 'fools' is obviously referring to all Sinhalese. That does not prove anything. It's a strawman argument, as it's a completely different quote in a different context. Yes the word 'Sinhalese' can be used to refer to Sinhalese people as whole, but it also can be used to refer to just Sinhalese soldiers. It depends on the context. We have evidence for both those occurences. Oz346 (talk) 00:46, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What evidence have you provided? He is saying Sinhalese. Not "Sinhalese Soldiers". You are saying " That quote about Sinhalese being 'fools' is obviously referring to all Sinhalese". Yeah its obvious because they are obviously referring to the Sinhalese. Same as "Our goal is to drive away Sinhalese from the North-East...". They are referring to Sinhalese. Sinhalese is Sinhalese. There is a difference between the two terms Sinhalese and Sri lankan Soldiers. Also, talking from your point of view, Why are they referring "Sinhala army" as just Sinhalese then? Is it because it is hard to say "Sinhalese army" or "Sri lankan army"? You are trying to prove a non-existent point. JohnWiki159 (talk) 18:42, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

https: //youtu.be/ZO7ID-8QIVM

Here is the evidence I give of their use of the word 'Sinhalese' to refer specifically to just the Sinhalese army. The LTTE saw the Sinhalese army as representatives of the Sinhalese people, not as just 'Sri Lankan soldiers'. It's not a mystery why they used the two terms interchangeably. And it is much easier and quicker to say 'Sinhalese' than the longer winded 'Sri Lankan soldiers' or 'Sinhalese soldiers', especially when literally the only Sinhalese in the main warzones of the north were Sinhalese soldiers. Oz346 (talk) 23:48, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

https: //youtu.be/pbHYTnTGN4o

Here is another song where the word Sinhala is used to specifically refer to just the armed forces, in this case the Sinhala air force, the lyrics talk about 'sinhala dropping bombs (kundu)'. Oz346 (talk) 00:22, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello awaiting your reply. Thanks. Oz346 (talk) 20:33, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, youtube songs are not reliable sources to make claims. Songs are the feelings expressed by the song writers. Also, LTTE in their speeches specifically used the word "Sinhalese army" when addressing the Sri lankan army. For example, check Yogi's speech regarding the expulsion of Muslims.https://uthr.org/Reports/Report7/chapter6.htm#_Toc516626375. JohnWiki159 (talk) 06:10, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is absolute nonsense. You yourself have used YouTube as a reference on pages. These are official ltte songs written by the LTTE lyricists like Puthuvai Ratnadurai who was captured by the SLA at the end of the war in 2009 and made to disappear. This proves beyond doubt that the word Sinhalese was used by the LTTE at times just to refer to the armed forces. I am going to remove the quote you have placed as there is no proof that it refers to ethnic cleansing. You need to provide proof or seek a third opinion to substantiate your conjecture and baseless assumption that it refers to ethnic cleansing. Even the original uthr source makes no reference to ethnic cleansing Oz346 (talk) 09:40, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

According to Wikipedia policies, "Most videos on YouTube are anonymous, self-published, and unverifiable, and should not be used at all. Content uploaded from a verified official account, such as that of a news organization, may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability". I have used Aljazeera youtube channel as references in one of my previous edits. Aljazeera is a verified official account. But in your case, your youtube sources are anonymous, self-published, and unverifiable. Also, your youtube sources don't prove that "Sinhalese was used by the LTTE at times just to refer to the armed forces". These are youtube songs you have provided which are not reliable at all. Whereas I have given you evidence where they specifically use the phrase "Sinhalese army" when addressing the Sri lankan army. Also, in Athimanian's statement, he refers to the "Sinhalese". Not "Sinhalese army". He says "Our goal is to drive away Sinhalese from the North-East and establish Tamil Eelam". This explains the motive. It is not a secret that LTTE did ethnic cleansing of Sinhalese and Muslims from the North East.[2] Also from your point of view, if LTTE's motive was only to drive away SL army from the North East, why did they engage in ethnic cleansing of Sinhalese and Muslim civilians from the North East?
I have requested a neutral third opinion from an independent observer. Lets listen to the third opinion and proceed. JohnWiki159 (talk) 12:51, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Check my comments on the LTTE talk page. Your mention of ltte ethnic cleansing elsewhere in history is a strawman argument. In my pov, ltte ethnic cleansed Muslims and Sinhalese in response to atrocities committed against Tamil civilians by members of those ethnic groups. But this is not a constant. As we know ltte later formally recognised the rights of both those communities to exist in north east during peace talks. So just because ltte did ethnic cleanse in the past, does not mean at all that that is what Athimanian was referring to when he used that statement. The two are not mutually exclusive.Oz346 (talk) 12:59, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Origins of civil war page

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Hi still awaiting your reply. Thanks. Oz346 (talk) 10:44, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit warring on Sexual violence against Tamils in Sri Lanka

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