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ww2censor (talk) 19:20, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: International Scientific Conferences on the Bosnian Pyramids (January 29)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Primefac was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Primefac (talk) 15:31, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Primefac,

Thanks for your help editing the article by inserting "cite web" instead of "source" in the article's numerous html "References" templates.

You commented the following on the Draft of the article after it was declined ("Submission declined on 29 January 2015 by Primefac"):

"Comment: The sections on the individual conferences should not contain a blow-by-blow account of what happened. It is entirely irrelevant that at 10am participants were taken into a tunnel (an example). This draft should present a short, concise summary of what the ICBP does and the major themes of the conferences. Primefac (talk) 15:31, 29 January 2015 (UTC)"

I believe that a whole-cloth declining of this article, which chronicles the events of five scientific conferences over seven years, and which therefore, even as a strict chronology, necessitates a lengthy treatment, is unfair.

The textual problems you have cited are minimal and could be edited out by anyone -- you, myself, any editor -- in a few minutes, and probably would have been edited out virtually immediately by Wiki editors, had the article been left up. Why has the entire article been declined because of a less-than-1%-text problem (tour times and destinations)? The vast majority, 99+%, of the article is dates, times, names, and locations of speaker presentations, and of course reliable sources for those bare facts. (By the way, the reason for the inclusion of tour times is not so that people reading the article can learn about the tours but so that they will understand why, for instance, there was only one speaker a day for three days in a row before the weekend speaker marathon -- and that reason is simply that the participants and attendees were on tours during the day, and therefore they had time for only one speaker presentation each evening. However, if tour times and locations must go, they must go.)

You asserted in your comment above that the article should be a "summary." Since the five conferences consisted of speaker events (89 speakers in five conferences), and since the article is a chronology of speaker events, the article cannot be a summary. And there would be no reason to create a summary, since Wikipedia readers couldn't learn from that article who the speakers were, what their papers were about, nor would readers be able to follow links to the specific topics spoken about to see, through text and photos and video, if they found the evidence and arguments on those topics to be reasonable. A summary of the conference would not do what Wikipedia does best and what Wikipedia has set out to do: give the exacting details of a subject.

Further, as you may know, the subject of the Bosnian pyramids is highly controversial. So I think it behooves Wikipedia not to rush toward the declining of an article on the Bosnian pyramids but to maintain at least the appearance of a rigorous stance of neutrality, otherwise known as "the principle of endeavoring not to appear biased." I'm not saying that Wikipedia is biased in this case, but I believe (I may be wrong) that Wikipedia would want to maintain the appearance of not being biased by allowing an article on a controversial subject to stay up longer than 10 minutes before declining it. Allowing the article to stay up for several days in Draft or Review form, for instance, would give many Wiki editors a chance to chime in on textual matters, so that the article could be change based on editorial consensus. And if eventual rejection were the consensus, then many editors would be involved in the decision and presumably right to reject it on whatever grounds were offered.

To reiterate:

1) You said in your comment notes (embedded five paragraphs above) that I should make the article a "summary," but a summary doesn't give the details of the conferences, and the details are the point of the article;

2) You said in your comment notes above that the article should state the "themes" of the conferences. I would not say that the five international scientific conferences on the Bosnian pyramids had unique themes but that they have been wedded to one theme: the verifiable fact that, for ten years, the scientific method has discovered, probed, and made conclusions about various aspects of an ancient pyramid complex in Bosnia. But this theme is a bare one sentence long and does not need a Wikipedia article for it. What readers of an article on the Bosnian pyramids conferences need is not simply the conference theme stated in one sentence but the details of the playing out of that theme, the details of the scientific conferences themselves, to which hundreds of researchers and interested parties have traveled from many different countries for seven years. Without a complete list of the speakers' names, their credentials, their paper titles, their dates and times of speaking, what use would the article be to anyone? How could Wikipedia readers even begin to form their own opinions about a pyramid complex in Bosnia without these details to work from? And since these factual, voluminous, and verifiable details are what the article presently consists of, why has it been officially declined by Wikipedia?

Thank for your considered reply, and I look forward to hearing from you.

Jockdoubleday (talk) 17:11, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Help needed

Hi - I'm hoping to post a new page, today, but for some reason my list of references at the end are not looking right. Here's a sample of my html code that is supposed to create a References section at the end:

. . . comprise a continuing series of conferences

And at the end of the article (just before categories) I have this:

[two equals signs] References [two equals signs]

[two curly brackets]Reflist[two curly brackets]

But for some reason the Reference list comes out like this:

Sources

{{{1}}} {{{1}}} {{{1}}} {{{1}}} {{{1}}} {{{1}}} {{{1}}} {{{1}}}

Any ideas what to do? Other than the Reference list, the article is in reasonably good shape. Thanks, Jock

Jockdoubleday (talk) 13:45, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

• • User:Primefac seems to have fixed your problem with this edit. ww2censor (talk) 18:09, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, yes. And I guess I'm posting for help on the wrong page -- supposed to be copyright issues. Anyway, the code is fixed, thanks.

Jockdoubleday (talk) 18:24, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: International Scientific Conferences on the Bosnian Pyramids (February 14)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by StarryGrandma was: You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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StarryGrandma (talk) 17:34, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello! Jockdoubleday, I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering or curious about why your article submission was declined please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! StarryGrandma (talk) 17:34, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: International Scientific Conferences on the Bosnian Pyramids (July 11)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Eclipsed was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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-- Eclipsed (talk) (email) 12:15, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Draft:International Scientific Conferences on the Bosnian Pyramids concern

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Draft:International Scientific Conferences on the Bosnian Pyramids concern

Hi there, I'm HasteurBot. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:International Scientific Conferences on the Bosnian Pyramids, a page you created, has not been edited in 5 months. The Articles for Creation space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for articlespace.

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Your draft article, Draft:International Scientific Conferences on the Bosnian Pyramids

Hello, Jockdoubleday. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "International Scientific Conferences on the Bosnian Pyramids".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 19:09, 27 May 2016 (UTC)