User talk:Jocelyne1960
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MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC)- Note I have added on the es. version, and another author has on fr., the banner Template:Translated page on the Talk page. Now that you're comfortable with the basic processes, whenever you full or partially translate a page from one language to another, just add that template to the Talk page. At minimum you want "translated from the X language article Y". If you specifically did a translation from a given stage of the article, the template shows how to add the "translated from the version current at X date" info. At a bare minimum, just the basic banner works fine. There's also the useful Template:Expand language, which you add to the Talk page to say "Hey, this page is a translation of just part of a larger (German/Russian/French/Navajo) article; you can check that page for more info, and/or help us translate more."
- Nice work for your first article, and hopefully you'll enjoy writing more. Remember: references come first! If you assemble all your references, it is far, far easier than writing first and referencing later. Feel free to write me with any questions. MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:19, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi Jocelyne,
I went ahead and added the link on Alfonso Araújo Gaviria's page to Helena Araújo as per your request, although I appreaciate that you considered that I was the creator of the artile you are wecolme to edit my or anyone's article, Wikipedia is build on collaboration so if you have something that can improve an article go right ahead. On that note I went ahead and also did some changes to your article to bring it in line with articles on writers and Colombians, so I hope you don't mind. I did notice a couple of things that could help improve the quality of your article, for onc you need not only add references, but add reliable, pertinent, and useful sources using the available templates to format the citations properly, since you are new to Wikipedia you may not have notice the helpful template above the editing window; if you go to edit something, you'll see atop the window a tool bar that contains "B I a pencil, a chain, a picture, Advanced Special Characters Help Cite" if you clik on the cite it will show a sub-tool bar with Templates, if you click on the templates it will show you a list to cite, web, news, books,and journals and if you select one a window will pop that asks you to put the required information to properly cite your sources, its very easy to use. Some of your references were not pertinent to the article, so the reference that described what the Platero award is did not belong there, however the next referenced that did mention that Helena had won the Platero award was pertinent, same thing for the link for the Colombian Special Advisor on Women's Equity was not pertinent to the article itself. Also the section for publications in journals should contain actual articles in journals, not just a list of publications where she as published, and the translations should not be a standalone list, they are her actual works and should be listed as such as part of the larger work they are part of, or as articles in publications (and if so we need issue numbers, journal names, issn, years, etc). Another thing, are you Jocelyne Albrecht, daughter of Mrs Araújo? cause if you are it could present a possible conflict of interest, for the moment being I didnt detect anything that could be disputed since most of the information for the moment is very fact based and the fact that I also edited it can now counteract any claims of biased editing, but in the off chance you are maybe you can get some information that I couldnt find online like the degree obtained from the universities attended and the year (see Alfonso Araújo Gaviria's infobox for an example of how it should look), things like those give backing to her actual credentials as a Feminist and women's studies scholar, since she could have gone to University and graduated in Ceramics or french and not necessarily Latin American Studies or Philosophy, and also her dates of marriage since that brings some background on her life before her move to Switzerland. Anyways count with me for anything if you need help. mijotoba (talk) 01:10, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Well that's pretty cool, considering that I seem to know so much about your family. Im glad that you created this article, it is a much needed article in the face of the overwhelming lack of articles of Colombian women writers, and specially of such an impressive subject. I avoided making any edits to the article that had to do with her work since I am soo unfamiliar and definitely not versed enough to write intelligently about writing techniques, styles or formats, and the like but if like you said you can get other writers to contribute to the article it would be perfect, they can do it in spanish or french and I can translate to English if need be since I can, but do remember that wikipedia sticks to a strict no original research policy so if anyone is to contribute they have to keep that in mind, pointing rather to other sources and works for their claims, and using credible sources whenever possible avoiding blogs or private websites, and choosing more scholarly sources or interviews. For the moment being if you could corroborate the information about her high school and college years (I was kinda surprised and curious since I live in Maryland myself), like I said, when she graduated and what degrees did she obtain, also the years she has worked as a professor at the UP Lausanne since the article makes an important claim about her being a professor but I couldnt find any definitive sources as to where she has been employed or for how long. For the moment being also take a look at the article Colombian literature and see how can you work linking her article to the list I wasnt sure, and to be sure that article is far from perfect or well structured so I didnt know where to place her best, maybe a new section for short story authors or literary critics, or women writers; the more we can link her article to the rest of wikipedia the better, I have already added her to other list-type articles to raise her profile, you can see what links to her here. mijotoba (talk) 02:06, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Jocelyne,
Thank you for the barnstar that was really nice of you :) I also noticed you added dates to the schools Helena attended, but Im a little confused as to what those dates are. Now I now that she was back and forth and that she attended Immaculata HS in the US, but did she attend only between 1948 and 1949, meaning that she graduated in 1949 from High School? and then did she attend UMD for only two semesters between 1949 and 1950, or for three (fall of 1949, Spring and Fall of 1950) meaning that she didnt actually graduate from UMD but left for Colombia attending la Nacho until 1951, did she graduate that year then, or did she not finish her degree either? I just want to make sure, also what did she graduate in? Philosophy, Literature? I know that degrees from Colombia are different from degrees in the US so Im not sure if Literature was a degree option or did they just call it "Licenciatura en Filosofía y Letras" mijotoba (talk) 04:01, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi Miguel, You are correct she attended only one year the Immaculata and graduated in 49. Then she attended 3 semesters ar UMD (I will have to ask her if she remembers the courses she took there) and left for Colombia. Once there, she attended the National COlombia U where she studied litterature and philosophy. SHe did not graduate, having to follow the patriarchial (or medieval as she says) rules and had to get married at that very young age. she does not have a PhD or a Masters, for she had to follow the rules and immediately stop any type of education and dedicate herself to motherhood and housekeeping. That experience is what convinced her not to educate us (4 girls) in Colombia but rather in Europe where women were treated differently. Once In Switzerland, she took several courses but never with a formal graduation. You could say that she is self-taught and always inquisitive about litterature. Thanks for your help Miguel!! Not sure how the text can be modified to reflect her tragectory and i am off to work now.........with little possibility to invest more in the article right now.......... Muchas Gracias! Jocelyne1960 (talk) 10:53, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Miguel, i made some changes and am awaiting replies from professors to collaborate. Jocelyne1960 (talk) 14:26, 11 December 2012 (UTC)