User talk:Joanneoskelly

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Speedy deletion nomination of The Yoga Institute

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Removing Speedy at The Yoga Institute

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Text e-mailed. If you wish to use any of the text from The Yoga Institute's website you must: arrange for the copyright notice at the bottom of each page to be changed to say that it is licensed under CC-by-SA and confirm permission as explained here. However, I advise you wait until someone with no COI thinks the institute is notable and writes about. Also, your submission was too long, written in overly gushing language and totally devoid of independent references. By the time it has been re-written as a Wikipedia article it will no longer be a copyright violation. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:50, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Roger - Thank you for sending the text. I will re-word it so that it is more appropriate for the encyclopedia. To be clear, there is one outside reference, from Mark Singleton's history of posture practice "Yoga Body." I will also seek out references from the Yoga Therapy community. The medical work done there is reputable in many circles.

Also, I shall read the guidelines you included in the below message. But I am not sure what a "COI" is ... Thanks again, j. — Joanneoskelly (talk · contribs) via e-mail

You might find it better to use a user_talk page instead of e-mail. I am aware that COI is wiki jargon so I made it into a link. I suggest you follow that link. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:58, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm not finding the interface very easy to adapt to, so I am emailing again since I can clearly see the button. The 'talk' option isn't as user-friendly. When I rewrite the text, do I just create a new page or do I need to submit it directly to you? Thank you for your patience, apologies for being such a newbie! — Joanneoskelly (talk · contribs) via e-mail

That's strange: on this page I can clearly see a talk link but I cannot see any button to e-mail me. How on earth can e-mail be easier? Perhaps you need to familiarise yourself with the basics of Wikipedia before you try to contribute. I also repeat my advice about leaving it to someone with no COI. But if you insist on trying to submit, I suggest you do so via AfC (please note AfC is a link - you are supposed to click on it for further advice). — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:48, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your suggestions. However, this, what I am doing now, is the process of familiarizing myself with Wikipedia. In order to familiarize myself with it, I have to use it. It's a bit of a Catch 22.

Forgive me if the messages come as emails rather than 'talks,' (or please send me a link that would help me). When I press the 'talk' link next to your name, it takes me to an archives page, it doesn't have a link to "send talk message".

As I have no conflict of interest in posting this entry, I will continue. I write about yoga, and yoga history is an interest of mine. I was looking for the entry on the Institute for an article I am writing about the history of asana as medicine, and I was very surprised to see it was not already done. The reason it isn't there, as I have found out in my new dialogue w/ the organization, is there is no one at the Institute who looks after these things. So, I decided to post something, thinking it would be as easy as pasting the history (**not written by me**).

Unfortunately, I now have to re-write it in a more acceptable format. I'll be posting that to you shortly! — Joanneoskelly (talk · contribs) via e-mail

I cannot resist a Victor Meldrew-style "I don't believe it". Yes, there is a talk link beside by name. Yes, at the top of that page there is a block of links to archives. But did you see a "Contents" box on the right or see a scroll bar also on the right? There are rather more sections than the Archive section! Talking to me there would be appropriate for starting a new discussion. But since this thread is started here, we keep it here. At the top of this page above the words "User talk:Joanneoskelly" are a set of links. One of them says "Edit". Incredible though it may seem, if you click on that link you will be able to edit this page and thereby continue this discussion. I am watching this page - I will see any reply here. Try it! Remember to sign your message with ~~~~.

I am surprised that someone who claims to have "popped out of the womb with a foot behind her head, and a pen in her hand" should stoop so low as to simply copy text. Surely you felt a need to re-write in an encyclopedic form? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:00, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, that was the friendly suggestion I required to get here ("Email this User" was much more prominent and logical, you see, it's just there in the left hand column). Now I know "Edit" means "Reply to Message" in wikitalk. Got it. (Am I really the first newbie to describe the interface here as counter-intuitive?)

I'm not sure why you were on my personal work-in-progress-online-resume (which I have not been sharing links to in my email signature (or anywhere for that matter), but thanks for the visit. It's not even been officially launched and already it's being quoted!

Back to the issue at hand: I have just re-written the text and am just gathering a few third-party references. I will be back in touch as soon as I can double check the references. Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joanneoskelly (talk • contribs)

I will admit that possibly as many as 10% of the newbies who contact me do so by e-mail rather than on my user talk page. Perhaps we should do something about it. I wrote on your "work-in-progress" site just to let you know I had found it. It helped satisfy me that you probably have no COI. It may be WIP but Google has already indexed several of its pages. (Sometimes you have to work quite hard to get Google to forget your stuff!) — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:47, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear, I am in the bottom 10% of Wikipedia newbies! This is a new one for me, I'll have to study harder! Hopefully the *real* entry for The Yoga Institute will score in a higher percentile. Thanks for being my WikiGuru for the time being. Will be back online with proper references ASAP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joanneoskelly (talk • contribs)

Another point to study is the message at the top of this page: "remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~)". If you write a new article, I recommend you to put it in user:Joanneoskelly/sandbox. This will protect it from the attention of those ferocious new page patrollers. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:19, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Repost

I can't believe I messed up already! I posted the new text in what I thought was the sandbox and then I got an instant message that it might be deleted. Looking forward to reviewing the draft in the sandbox and moving on from this one! Thanks for the advice, again! Joanneoskelly (talk) 06:26, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe it (again) - how could anybody actually create an article with a speedy delete request already in place! Yes, you posted it in the right place but look at the history of user:Joanneoskelly/sandbox - the very first version has a speedy deletion tag. May I suggest that you use the "show preview" option before you save any of your edits. Your first action should be to re-write so that this Duplication Detector report sees nothing. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:24, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Right, I've taken out the first line of the entry and when looking at the preview, there doesn't appear to be any messages about deletion. I also have some images to add to the real entry, when it's ready to leave the sandbox (bites nails nervously). By the way, the Victor Meldrew face is fantastic. Thanks for the weekend's first chuckle.

You say you took "out the first line of the entry". If you actually look at the edit history, you will see that you did not - I did it. I would like to see links to some online sources that talk about the institute. Why wait with the images? Upload them now - to the Commons. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:41, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Two images uploaded and sandbox entry updated with more online links - is that enough? The wheels are turning ... Joanneoskelly (talk) 05:50, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Image uploads are pointless unless you use them in an article. I regret to have to reprimand you again for your contempt of copyright. If I had found File:TheYogaInstituteGrounds.jpg on the institute's website, I would have requested its deletion from the Commons. Will you please: go back to the institute and get a decent sized image; not just a near-thumbnail, get the institute to confirm permission as described here; upload the image to the Commons, citing the Institute as the copyright holder - not you for goodness sake!

But don't let that prevent you publishing. I think it is now robust enough to be moved to The Yoga Institute. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:26, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, apologies for that, the Yoga Institute sent me that image to use themselves, so it was as good as "mine," in my limited understanding of copyright. The panoramic image is straight from my camera, however, so I assume it's OK to use that one when I the entry. Going to move it from the Sandbox to The Yoga Institute. — now. I hope I'm doing this properly ... also, how do I change the title of the post to be "The Yoga Institute" - with caps at the beginning of the words? Joanneoskelly (talk) 06:09, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your understanding of copyright is hopelessly inadequate. "Sent me" does not mean give up any copyright. We need explicit confirmation by the Institute via OTRS that they release the image under GFDL/CC licence/s. You also seem to be confused about authorship. Presumably you mean the Institute sent you File:HansajiDrJayadev.jpg so why have claimed it as your own work? You claim the panoramic image is straight from your camera but you have labelled File:TheYogaInstituteGrounds.jpg with a source of "The Yoga Institute". (I was dubious that it came from your camera but I see that the DSC-WX5 does actually have a sweep panorama feature. But it has a 12.2 megapixel sensor so why on earth is the image a pathetic 500×110px.)

"How do I change the title of the post to be 'The Yoga Institute' - with caps at the beginning of the words?" Again, hopelessly confused. If you move user:Joanneoskelly/sandbox to The Yoga Institute then the title will have caps won't it? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:15, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe it (yet again)

You tell me that you are going to move it from the Sandbox to The Yoga Institute and you express concern about getting upper case right. So what do you do? You copy-and-paste instead of moving and you put lower case in the title. It really beggars belief. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:43, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I thought copy/paste was the means to move ... The caps issue was the result of my sloppy search for the page, thinking I would then have an opportunity to write tne entry, I assumed incorrectly I could change the title too - and didn't notice it was not in caps until later. Sorry for all the sloppiness! It looks like it's live now, thank you very much. You'll be thrilled to know I may be posting one more entry for Shri Yogendraji (something similar to the BKS Iyengar entry). But that won't be for some time :o) Take care, Roger (and you can breathe a sigh of relief knowing I am out of your hair - for the time being!)! Joanneoskelly (talk) 05:46, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You did have "an opportunity to change the title too" - it is called a move. You failed to take the opportunity. You are not yet out of my hair - you have two images on the Commons with unsatisfactory descriptions. Read my message above and take action, or I will tag both for deletion. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:45, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]