User talk:JhonElcot

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Speedy deletion nomination of LYNX Photonic Networks

A tag has been placed on LYNX Photonic Networks, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as Wikipedia:FAQ/Business for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. - Jarry1250 ^{[ humourous – discuss ]} 19:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Improving the article

Hey Jhon. Don't worry, it's nothing personal and the article can quickly be salvaged from the threat of deletion. The main thing to look out for is the sort of text that could have come out of a promotional leaflet: Lynx is the leading photonic communication solutions company, with its own patented solid-state switching and light management technology, featured in a broad product line would be a prime example of this. Try to communicate the facts without passing comment: objectivity over subjectivity is the key. Try "Lynx is a photonic communication solutions (yuk!) company, and has patented s solid-state switching and light management technology. Other products it produces... - Jarry1250 ^{[ humourous – discuss ]} 19:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, if you've got a conflict of interest, you might want to make that known to other editors. - Jarry1250 ^{[ humourous – discuss ]} 19:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did you copy anything else directly? If so, please remove it post-haste. Wikipedians hate copyright violations, and from personal experience I can tell you that it's not worth it in the long run. Clear all the copy-pasted material and just leave what you personally have written. - Jarry1250 ^{[ humourous – discuss ]} 19:51, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I've got to go do other stuff in real life now, but I can offer some parting advice (and you're welcome to leave queries as you have been doing and I shall seek to reply when I can). WP:YFA overs lots of stuff about writing your first article; I see no problem with you editing the article per se but do read WP:COI if you haven't already and please, please, please make sure you have just copied and pasted anything. If the article should be deleted while I am away, I can sort that out for you as well - getting you a copy to work on and then resubmit. - Jarry1250 ^{[ humourous – discuss ]} 20:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Examples of good reliable sources: major (nationally known, preferably) newspapers; big news channels/providers; commerically available books. Hope that helps.- Jarry1250 ^{[ humourous – discuss ]} 19:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article for deletion

Hi - I'm the admin who looked over the "Speedy Deletion" nomination. I rejected that and hence have listed it at "Articles For Deletion". I'm not entirely convinced that your company meets our Notability requirements, but I'm also not convinced this is a cut and dried case. Hence I've thrown it over to debate. The details are below. Regards Manning (talk) 10:02, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 23:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LYNX Photonic Networks

Was prodded as G11 but there was enough room for doubt, and it has sat at CSD for over 24 hours. Hence moved to AFD. Manning (talk) 09:48, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (weak). Despite considerable effort by the page creator, most of the links seem either self-generated by the company or are tenuous references at best. Does not strongly meet notability.Manning (talk) 09:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There seems to be sufficient notability here (albeit not necessarily in the article). Hoover's has an article on the subject (always a good yardstick for WP:CORP) and I get a good feeling from news reports like this one that more may be out there. $300 million net worth seems to justify that. Admittedly, there is a load of press-release spreading going on, so it's only a weak keep from me. I've been in conversation with the article creator, and we seem to have worked out the G11 issues. - Jarry1250 ^{[ humourous – discuss ]} 10:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- these reports are not press releases, they're market research papers, osting thousand of euros, which choose to pick out Lynx and devote time to talking about it. Likewise, I would hope that if these were all merely press releases they would not be presented with their publisher's logo next to them. - Jarry1250 ^{[ humourous – discuss ]} 08:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Obvious advertising is a separate matter entirely from notability, and this article contains obvious advertising: Lynx built its products around its patented light management technology, to provide cost-effective, [all optical] switching solutions. Since there solution is [all optical] in nature there is no need to replace it when upgrading other elements of the network such as the [XDM]'s, [Transponder]s, and [Optical Amplifiers]. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:05, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So fix it! I've done your example in the meantime. - Jarry1250 ^{[ humourous – discuss ]} 15:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 15:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 15:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Googling produces press releases and more press releases; there's no indication that anyone really cares about what products this company may produce (and for that matter, not a lot of evidence in the article that they are producing something notable). Money raising isn't notability. Mangoe (talk) 21:16, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Sorry but I can't find the reliable independent secondary sources required by WP:CORP. Yes, there are fluff pieces, but given this article's extremely self-promotional nature, I would want to see good evidence for notability to warrant keeping and fixing. If the fluff was removed from this article, it would be four lines long. Johnuniq (talk) 09:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, we've got one independent source under WP:CORP: Hoover's. You're welcome to defluff the article. - Jarry1250 ^{[ humourous – discuss ]} 09:52, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Article has been expanded by creator with information regarding patents. c.f. long posts on my user talk page, outlining the company's notability in designing components which were then used by many large telecommunications firms. - Jarry1250 ^{[ humourous – discuss ]} 19:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.