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A question about your admin criterion

Hi Jguk. I have put a question about your admin criterion on its talkpage. Can you please respond? Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:54, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for answering. I have also made my own admin criterion page even though it's a bit vague... Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:08, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

2005 English cricket season (8-30 April)

I found your immmediate withdrawal of that article from peer review, your reasons given for it, and your comments on Mav's talk page to be odd. For one, I found Mav's comments on PR to be correct, and even if they weren't how does one comment make immediate unfair treatment? Maybe there's a larger issue going on I am unaware of, but if there is, that should be separated from this issue. This seems to be a case of making a much greater issue than there is and being way over sensitive about (all I can see as) one comment. Forgive me if the issue is resolved, but there seemed to be a disconnect between your comments and what occurred. Specifically, you asked for peer review, got it, and in response asked for mediation regarding the comments. I think you should heed the comments, discuss it where appropriate, and leave it at that. If you want peer review, list it and keep it there, and listen to those comments too. - Taxman ^Talk 16:54, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Some questions and suggestions

Q: Hi. I was watching a TV programme today &: What does "removed 4 points of his [driving] licence mean"?

Sugg: I saw your image of UKCTax.

Please apply all windows updates from the microsoft site. A newer version of IE is available which corrects the bugs that you saw recently in Gangtok. My version is 6.0.2900.2180. Alternatively use Mozilla or Opera (I use that).
I saw many instant messengers open. Go to Run> and type "msconfig" (without quotes). Once open navigate to the "Startup" tab and disable all the unnecessary stuff such as yahoo, win messenger etc. Keep AVG on and a firewall on too. restart comp. It saves a lot of memory.
Why do you watch the main page?

=Nichalp (Talk)= 19:09, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Instantnood and the MTR

Hello, I found your name on the arbitration committee briefing on Instantnood. I found the evidence presented disturbing, as a very similar situation is developing over on the MTR page. Instantnood has taken it upon himself to change the formatting for all the article names without discussion, and to also change the bolded name in the articles to create redundancy. I am attempting to engage him in discussion, although after reading the evidenece presented on the ArbCom page, it may perhaps be futile. Discussion over this is taking place at here, and any support you could lend would be appreciated, as I cannot seem to find what the final verdict of the ArbCom was. Thank you! Páll 09:23, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Away - no cricket updates

Thought I'd mention it here - I'll be away for the weekend, so I'm afraid you'll have to update all the cricket articles for this round of matches. Won't be back editing until Monday probably. Cheers, Sam Vimes 22:16, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Australian national cricket captains

Thanks for the heads up, but I was reading it when I got your message! - Ian 13:48, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Parthia

Honestly, are we going to play this game forever, or are you going to actual discuss the issue on the talk page one of these days? Don't make enemies where there needn't be any. siafu 18:38, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Why don't

you just stick to editing articles, and stay away from the Wikipedia: namespace? The importance of all the goings-on in there is often vastly over-inflated; no-one who's just working on content cares, really. The place just seems like a breeding ground for bad feelings, with little or nothing constructive coming forth. Dan100 23:43, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

Well, OK, I've now read all the RfAr etc. Soooo, why don't you just stay away from contentius issues? Just stick to what is fun? I know it's a shame to see the thing you like being harmed, but is it worth the aggro, and spoiling the good stuff? Dan100 00:07, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

Left?

Have you left because of the CE/AD debate / cricket categories? Regarding the CE-AD debate, its so trivial, I don't see why you have to get so flustered about it. I don't have any idea on what the majority ruling was as you say on your page. Take a wikibreak, enjoy the short English summer (come here to India; some of my India-related Featured Articles might help ☺); and resume after a month or so. Anyways, if you choose not to return to wikipedia, then I wish you all the best in your endeavours. Without you we may not have so many cricket articles, so please do review your choice to quit. Regards, =Nichalp (Talk)= 08:03, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

I echo what Nick said Tintin 08:25, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm hoping the "cricket categories" thing wasn't a major part of the decision, it certainly wasn't my intention to drive you off Wikipedia. You've done tons of good contributing here. Although I disagreed with you quite vigorously at times, I've always tried to stick to consensus - I thought that this time around there was general agreement on the Wikiproject talk page when I started moving category tags into talk. (oh, and in case you might have thought I was deliberately following you around by getting involved in the 2005 season transclusion debate, I actually stumbled across that one on my own and it reminded me to check up on the category situation). Bryan 16:59, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeh mate its sad you chose to leave... You did an incredible job on so many cricket articles. AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 10:26, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

OMG. Please reconsider this decision. This place will be the loser for it and it does seem (to me anyway) to be over a trivial matter from which you should just take a step back from. Have a wikiholiday. Otherwise, all the best to you and thanks for your help. - Ian 13:15, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ouch. Really sorry to see you go, especially over something as trivial as this. Thanks for all your contributions :( Sam Vimes 18:50, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm also going to add my voice to those sad to see you leave from a cricket enthusiast's point of view. I'm going to stay out of the minutiae of the controversy that caused you to leave, since I don't know all the details, but from a purely WikiProject Cricket persepective, you'll be sadly missed. I hope you'll return at some point in the future. Loganberry | Talk 23:36, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh gracious me. Please don't go - we need people like you! Take some time off, watch some cricket, enjoy the weather and come back with recharged batteries. You will be missed enormously. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:41, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I echo the above statements – a good contributor should never be allowed to leave. Wiki or death? violet/riga (t) 11:46, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"For all sad words of tongue and pen / The saddest are these, 'It might have been.'" (John Greenleaf Whittier). Farewell, jguk, wherever life may take you. I hope you come back someday soon. Take a break. --Neutrality^talk 06:39, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Jguk, I would also ask you to reconsider. I've been consistently on the opposite side from you on the CE/AD and style debates, and, yes, I think that your method of achieving your preferences wasn't the right way to go, but I have no wish to see you leave. There's no point in having discussions if everybody agrees, and more importantly, there's no way of achieving any semblance of NPOV if people that don't agree leave. Zocky 08:54, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I am deeply sorry to see the Wikipedia bullies claim another victim. Susvolans (pigs can fly) 12:24, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Take a well-deserved Wiki-break, and come back in a couple of months. — Chameleon 12:55, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Zocky - I think you are a valuable contributor, and I am sad to see you go. Guettarda 13:07, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I do, so very much so, hope that you will return. A deeply valued member of the community.

James F. (talk) 21:36, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My deepest sympathies. Your voice and constructiveness will be sorely missed. R adiant _>|< 22:35, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

I had not realised that you had left. I am new to WP. I am not that familiar with how WP operates. Knowing, now, what happened to you is a warning to me and to others. The lesson is that NPOV is just hypocrisy. You have my sympathy. You tried to defend WP and we can see the result. There are a group of bullies here, and bully is the appropriate word. They will have their own way, come what may. I can understand your sentiment “well, it's not worth the hassle, is it?” As for me, I will take some time off. I admire the stand you took.--ClemMcGann 10:54, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I just learned of your departure, and am deeply sad to know that Lulu et al drove you away. I hope you will find the time to return, and continue to make Wikipedia a better place. Regards, Bratsche^{talk 5 pillars} 14:11, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

I myself just found out that you have left, and the news saddens me. Too many good wikipedians have left recently. Please come back. Mackensen (talk) 23:39, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi Jguk, even though this is a bit late, I want to thank you for supporting me in my RFA. Thanks to all of my supporters, I am now an admin and I have been using (... I just blocked a vandal!) my powers to help further Wikipedia. Thanks! Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 23:31, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Come back we need you!

I've only just noticed your departure -please reconsider and return - we need you! A curate's egg 17:45, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Madge = Cunt?

In Hambledon, Hampshire, I saw the link Madge. My first reaction was vandalism. Can you justify this odd link? Perhaps a note on the article's talk page if you meant it. -- RHaworth 23:26, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC)

Welcome back

Might be inspired to put up my Twenty20 write-ups now. I've really been falling behind without your help :) Sam Vimes 28 June 2005 20:54 (UTC)

Hard worker, you are :) Think I won't be writing as detailed write-ups of the Sri Lankan games, somehow. Good to see West Indies A doing well, though. On another note, our match template with the flags and scores seem to be messed up, as shown by England v Bangladesh 21 June 2005 (oh, and please don't move all of them back to 2005 English cricket season/England v Bangladesh 21 June 2005, it's not worth edit warring about) Sam Vimes 28 June 2005 21:07 (UTC) PS: Worked out what was wrong with the match templates. Apparently they all need a space before valign="top". Stupid MediaWiki 1.5. ;) Sam Vimes 28 June 2005 21:09 (UTC)

I think that should be okay. Individual TV episodes have their own articles, after all. There's hardly any doubt over the notability - a few hundred people actually going to WATCH a four-day long game should attest for that. Sam Vimes 28 June 2005 21:17 (UTC)

Cricket matches on VfD

Although I did not realize that the specific matches were part of a series, I also think that the VfD process should be allowed to work - you can make a case for keeping these articles there. I am, quite frankly, uncomfortable with the idea that individual matches would have articles of their own, unless the particular matches had some greater historical noteworthiness (e.g., if one of the athletes were to collapse and die on the field). I am imagining this being used as the justification for articles on the ~~2400+~~ 1200 yearly NBA basketball games, or the nearly ~~5000~~ 2500 MLB baseball games. Would you consider something along the lines of merging them by date? -- BD2412 ^talk June 28, 2005 21:53 (UTC)

I truly understand your point of view, having had to justify articles I've written on vfd before (one is up there right now) - and occasionally having seen my own fair labor undone in the process. However, I do not think I will come around to the point of view that a non-championship meeting between teams is generally noteworthy enough to merit an individual article. Then again, I also think that TV episodes should generally be merged by season as well, and the consensus of Wikipedia does not follow my view on that. -- BD2412 ^talk June 28, 2005 22:09 (UTC)
- I'm not trying to be unreasonable, but there is nothing in the articles themselves that would lead a casual observer to believe that these games had any special significance above that of any other meeting between any two professional sports teams. I'm afraid I don't see how they can all be championship games - maybe Cricket determines its champions in a way to which I'm unaccustomed, but in my experience a championship game only includes the single game or series played by the two top teams in the sport to determine which one will wear the crown for the season. Please have faith in the VfD process - you can continue to make the case for keeping the individual articles there. -- BD2412 ^talk June 28, 2005 22:30 (UTC)
  - Small comment. In American terms, cricket only has a regular season, and the tables at the end determine who is the champion. Sam Vimes 28 June 2005 22:31 (UTC)

Portal links

Please see the discussion on Talk:Cricket#Portal and give your input. Sam Vimes 28 June 2005 22:17 (UTC)

Hi mate. You've been adding a lot of links to the Cricket Portal to articles. Good -- but would it not be a better idea to do this with a template, rather than adding text to each article? --Ngb 28 June 2005 22:27 (UTC)

Hiya, chipping in here. I removed the Cricket portal link from the top of A. E. J. Collins as, to be honest, it diverts attention away from the article. If you want to have it in the article, may I suggest you add it in a more unobtrusive space (perhaps the See also section)? Talrias (t | e | c) 28 June 2005 23:02 (UTC)

Welcome back

Nice to have you back in action. =Nichalp «Talk»= June 29, 2005 13:13 (UTC)

Ditto. :) Squash 30 June 2005 01:56 (UTC)

Tritto! R adiant _>|< June 30, 2005 17:44 (UTC)
Welcome back, Jguk! Glad to see you haven't let controversy keep you away for good. You didn't get to oppose my RFA though... Sjakkalle (Check!) 1 July 2005 07:56 (UTC)

Move

Please consider responding: [1] 24.224.153.40 30 June 2005 12:15 (UTC)

Arbitration case - final decision

A decision has been reached in the arbitration case: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jguk. All involved users are warned strongly to abide by our policies. Please see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jguk#Final decision for further details and the full decision. -- sannse (talk) 30 June 2005 15:37 (UTC)

Category:UK Wikipedians

Hi, just to let you know that the list of UK participants at the UK notice board was getting rather long, so I have replaced it with the above category which I have added to your user page. -- Francs2000 | Talk 30 June 2005 20:11 (UTC)

Cricket season

Note: I've got match reports on the last four days stored on my computer, so you don't have to worry about them, I'm just not uploading them out of respect for the VfD process. :) Sam Vimes 30 June 2005 21:12 (UTC)

Welcome back

Hi Jon good to see you back - thank goodness for that! :). I have had a go at some articles on the Studd brothers etc. If you can add anything to these that'd be great.

Kind regards A curate's egg 1 July 2005 15:01 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Missing_Wikipedians: seems you are back; might want to delist yourself.

England v Australia 23 June 2005

Yeah, wrote that a fair while ago. On that note...do you want to do the final report? Astonishing game, I chose to watch cycling instead (git that I am), and came back to see cricinfo on 194 for 9 with two balls to go... Sam Vimes 2 July 2005 18:05 (UTC)

Feel free to do it yourself. I've been WP'ing all day and need a break from it! Shame we couldn't quite make it (but at least the Aussie's can't gloat either)! jguk 2 July 2005 18:09 (UTC)

Another welcome

This might be a bit late, but welcome back! I was quite saddened when you decided to leave, but it's nice to have our resident cricket... "expert" (*cough* geek *cough*) back. Cheers, 140.247.23.44 (I recently left too, and am only editing anonymously - I'll leave it to you to figure out who I am)

Irreligion

Hello. I have updated a dead external link at Irreligion to the New Zealand census. The figures I get are 30% os 93% of replies. How did you get your figures? Cheers. Alan Liefting 3 July 2005 06:21 (UTC)

lots of edits, not an admin

Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. Now that you're back if you are at all interested in becoming an admin, can you please add an '*' immediately before your name in this list? I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list, although there is certainly no guarantee anyone will ever look at it. I had you marked as "inactve", but just removed the inactive indication. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) July 3, 2005 17:59 (UTC)

No

I don't want to delete the category, I want people who are not verifiably pedophiles removed from it. Is WP:RFC for that? 24.224.153.40 3 July 2005 19:55 (UTC)

There. 24.224.153.40 3 July 2005 20:26 (UTC)

VfD on Jesus/Rewrite

I believe you started Jesus/Rewrite, you may wish to at least cast a vote at Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Jesus/Rewrite. Tomer ^TALK July 4, 2005 00:33 (UTC)

Hey chap, welcome home

SchmuckyTheCat 4 July 2005 01:47 (UTC)

Newsgroups

You've added a cricket newsgroup on the links page. Only I can't see how to access it - I clicked on it and it took me to some Outlook Express wizard thing (and I don't use Outlook Express although it's installed). How do I as a basic user, with a yahoo email account and not computer-minded access it? (I just feel there's a cricket-loving world out there I've never entered;) ). By the way, if you ever want to MSN Messenger me, I lurk on there under the address thagudearbh.yahoo.co.uk, jguk 3 July 2005 20:25 (UTC)

To access newsgroups or bulletin boards, you will need to know your ISP news server. It goes something like this: news.ISP NAME.com OR nntp.ISP NAME.com. I'm not sure (but I think) there are free news servers out there too. Will have to query in Reference Desk. Outlook Express is the default news reader for windows. I think its selected via the Tools> menu of Internet Explorer when you surf. If you wan't to avoid the hassle of Outlook Express to read a post, then Google groups has enabled access to the usenet servers, so all you have to do is to create an account and start posting there. [2] is the most popular. I hope this was useful to you. PS. MSN requires a hotmail account right? =Nichalp «Talk»= July 4, 2005 06:37 (UTC)

Hi, sorry to bring up an old topic, but could I add you to my MSN list? It would be useful to have a quick method of conversation outside of WP Sam Vimes 09:19, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article 2005 ICC Trophy, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently-created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

- Mgm|^(talk) July 4, 2005 08:17 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thanks for not opposing my adminship. I realize that I have perhaps never complied with your criteria, which I do regard as sensible. In my post-hoc defense, I'd like to say that I have contributed to several featured articles after they'd achieved featured status. I have high regard for featured articles and also recognize that they are only one aspect of the project. (To improve the average quality of the encyclopedia it is as important, if not more important, to improve the minimum quality than the maximum quality.) Cheers, -Willmcw July 4, 2005 10:30 (UTC)

Cricket poetry

Any ideas on how to take Cricket poetry forward ? I have a few more proper cricket poems in stock but they are not famous by any means and I am not good enoguh to judge their quality.

We may add more into the 'miscellaneous verses' - stuff which are more famous than good. Tintin 4 July 2005 12:16 (UTC)

What bot?

I'm not using a bot. I did not use a bot. I am botless. 24 at 4 July 2005 21:07 (UTC)

Ashes

One assumes I deleted it because I'm an idiot, although it's equally possible that I deleted it because i was on a different tab than I thought I was. I've restored. Snowspinner July 6, 2005 05:27 (UTC)

VAT thanks

Thanks for the info on VAT. Cleared some of my doubts now. Do you poach ALoan's pages? ;) =Nichalp «Talk»= July 6, 2005 06:44 (UTC)

Ok

Hmm I see you're OK. =Nichalp «Talk»= July 7, 2005 18:34 (UTC)

Your opinion sought

I have re-opened the issue of the royal stub at [3]. I think having it produce a noble link is farcical. Those who did it originally were no doubt well meaning but I don't think they really understood what they were doing. Nobility and royalty are not the same. Your opinions would be welcomed.

FearÉIREANNFile:Irish flag.gifFile:Animated-union-jack-01.gif SOLIDARITY WITH THE PEOPLE OF LONDON\^(caint) 7 July 2005 23:25 (UTC)

7 July 2005 London bombings

Hi. I notice when you did your copyedit of this article you overwrote most of my own work from about 15 minutes before, and some other people's edits. Was this intentional? I wouldn't mind about that, beause individual changes can be discussed, although I thought a lot of them were surely beneficial, such as making sure we didn't have present tense "a bomb explodes" everywhere, and various rearrangements I did. I suspect what happened though is that you had an edit conflict and chose to overwrite my edits instead of merging them, as I did with others' edits when I made my own copyedit. If you did, this means I've wasted my time really. I just wondered if you planned to reincorporate any of the edits you overwrote. Thanks. — Trilobite (Talk) 8 July 2005 17:49 (UTC)

2005 English cricket season

Sure. Feel free to help me, though, they're all up on User:Sam_Vimes/Cricket_reports (gotta love user-space :)) Sam Vimes 8 July 2005 19:20 (UTC)

To be honest, that thought never even crossed my mind! :) This is a collaborative effort, not one to take personal credit out of. If it was, I'd have applied for a job as cricket correspondent of a newspaper instead. Sam Vimes 8 July 2005 20:09 (UTC)

Never mind, finished it now. Linked everything in Twenty20, too. There's two matches (Derbys v Notts, Worcs v Glam) that's not got match reports, along with the first ODI of the NWC, and tonight's NL games. Sam Vimes 8 July 2005 21:47 (UTC)

SCG image

Re: your note in User_talk:Dmmaus: There you go, cropped. I kind of liked the people in the foreground, but the crop looks nice too. -dmmaus 08:18, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

New cricket collaboration of the fortnight

Hi jguk, glad you decided to come back. Just to let you know that West Indian cricket team, which you voted for, is the new Cricket Collaboration of the Fortnight. Please come along and help improve it! Stephen Turner 10:02, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Cricket COTF

Sure, though I am not a die-hard fan, I'm quite interested in the Bangladesh cricket team's endeavors. I'll try my best. --Ragib 11:12, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Intercontinental Cup

If you move a page, then you are supposed to take care of all the double redirections. But if you move the page to make a disambiguation page, then you MUST do so!!! Intercontinental cup was a very popular page (around 70 wikilinks), and it's mainly known under that name, not as European/South American Cup. I think it would have been a lot wiser to make comment at the beginning of the article, such as in the Napoleon I of France article reading:

if you are looking for the first-class cricket see ICC Intercontinental Cup.

Links should mow point to European/South American Cup as [[European/South American Cup|Intercontinental cup]] or, if it had already a different phrase as [[European/South American Cup|old text]].

-Mariano 10:38, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Irish cricket team

Nominated it, ended up on the front page :) Now to work on the CC reports... Sam Vimes 15:40, 13 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Another VFD debate

Just thought I'd let you know, in case you didn't spot it, that someone has put another of the individual English 1st Class matches up on VFD again: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Essex v Glamorgan 15 May 2005. David | Talk 15:43, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: History of Cricket

Actually, I got that info from the external link to CricInfo at the bottom of the page. I'm not sure of the accuracy of the pre-12th century theories, which is why I included them with a "some theories" disclaimer, making sure to point out they were speculative rather than established facts. But the 1183 description by Joseph of Exeter is well-documented in many places. In fact I was spurred to check the article today by a mention of Joseph in today's Sydney Morning Herald. -dmmaus 11:21, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dawood club cricketers

There is a category called 'Dawood club cricketers' which includes Imran and Zaheer. Dawood Industries is a team that played one season of first class ckt in 1975/6 and is no longer around. Shall I delete this category from the pages of these cricketers ? Tintin 16:59, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I don't know much about Pakistan domestic cricket either, but Cricketarchive scorecard oracle helped in checking this team's matches. Tintin 10:06, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Two polls you may be interested in

Tomer ^TALK 20:58, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Jon. I'm not sure I ever welcomed you back. If I didn't, sincere apologies! As it is, I was away doing work experience the last two weeks, so Wikipedia fell by the wayside. It's good to see you orchestrating the cricket world again! I was watching the match in the old style (i.e. Cricinfo), and I went away when it was first announced... Ah well, I missed the excitement. Ah well. You may be interested to know that my history master played in the first ever bowl-out in professional cricket — James Boiling. Yep, I haven't got all that much to do over the summer, so you can expect to see a few cricketer biographies from me, I think. I just have to work out how to get photos... You don't happen to have any of Alec Stewart hanging around, do you? Would be a great help. Anyway, cheers for the note. Here's to Surrey! smoddy 23:08, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Surrey v Warwickshire 18 July 2005

Dunno whether I did it justice (it must have been way too exciting for comfort!), but it's up, anyway. Almost twice as long as the other reports! Sam Vimes 13:03, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cricket!

Hi, first off - thanks for coming back. I had only just found the excellent Cricket portal but was disappointed that you had left just as I had hoped to get involved in it (which I have now anyway and happily discovered you're back to help run the good ship). But sycophanticism aside, I've left a message on the talk page for the Cricket project regarding how I might contribute to the project despite my limited knowledge. While I'm not pressing for an answer, I thought I'd flag it up anyway as I hope my suggestion can come in handy. And on that note, here's to some thoroughly reckless batting by Australia's tail order tomorrow morning. --High ^(Hopes) 20:18, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wettin

Please stop removing references to the Royal Family surname of Wettin pre-1917. It is 100% correct. I double-checked the information some time ago with Buckingham Palace who confirmed it. The Royal House name was Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, but Queen Victoria was informed that that was not her marital surname. She had her Private Secretary research the question of what was Albert's (and so by marriage her) surname. She was informed it was Wettin. So all the Royals descended from her until 1917 had a personal name of Wettin, and a Royal House name of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. In 1917 George V changed both Royal House and personal surname to Windsor. Or as the Columbia Encyclopædia says

The name Wettin, family name of Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, consort of Queen Victoria, was changed to Windsor by George V in 1917.

FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 05:31, 23 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

2005 Ashes

Are the 2005 Ashes being covered in Wikipedia anywhere? Commander Keane 09:03, 23 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]