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- It also failed to reflect the sources. Doug Weller talk 17:53, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
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Please do not introduce incorrect information into articles, as you did to Frances Cress Welsing. Your edits could be interpreted as vandalism and have been reverted. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them again. If you would like to experiment, use your sandbox. The body of the article sufficiently supports the statement. If you can find a better term than Black supremacist, you may propose that as a substitute. —C.Fred (talk) 20:23, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Instead of Black supremist, you can say Black psychiatrist because that is what she was. If she was a Black supremist she would have been stripped of her medical license. Jgreene999 (talk) 20:53, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- And what is your source for "Black psychiatrist" being a widespread term for those who espouse melanin theory? —C.Fred (talk) 21:29, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- https://www.jstor.org/stable/26174212 Jgreene999 (talk) 21:34, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- That only mentions Welsing, not others associated with the theory. —C.Fred (talk) 21:36, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- https://www.jstor.org/stable/26174212 Jgreene999 (talk) 21:34, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- And what is your source for "Black psychiatrist" being a widespread term for those who espouse melanin theory? —C.Fred (talk) 21:29, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
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- "genetically defective" only means that white people can not produce any other hue but white. That makes them genetically speaking, defective. This statement does not make a respected medical doctor of psychiatry a Black supremist. If you want to deny that genetically speaking she is wrong, try to make that argument. Genetically speaking, white people can't produce any other hue but themselves no matter who they conceive with. This genetic fact does not make the person who is stating this fact, a Black supremacist, as you say Jgreene999 (talk) 21:45, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Then please reconcile this statement: "According to Welsing, the genocide of people of color is caused by white people's inability to produce melanin.". —C.Fred (talk) 21:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- The pathology behind white supremacy is that white supremacist have a fear of genetic annihilation. They don't have a superiority complex. They have an inferiority complex. This is an analysis from a licensed medical doctor who is a trained psychiatrist. Just because that makes you uncomfortable and just because you don't understand the analysis doesn't mean that the person who is explaining that to you is a Black supremacist as you claim. The genocide of people of color is because the white supremacist who practice genocide are afraid that if people of color remain on earth they will one day annihilate them genetically. This is where your replacement theory stems from. White supremacist fear that they will one day be replaced by people of color. If you are not a white supremacist, you probably don't have that fear. However, a black person explaining this truth to you is not a Black supremacist but rather a licensed and trained psychiatrist. Give me your argument as to why it isn't true that white people can not produce any hue other than white. Jgreene999 (talk) 00:30, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- You're talking about social constructs of race. There is no genetic definition of "White" and if you mean European, skin color differs dramatically. Just as it does with people called "black". In any case no one is white except perhaps Albinism in humans and they can be from any ethnic background.
- And edit warring will get you blocked. Doug Weller talk 13:07, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- There isn't any genetic definition of "Black" either, right. So let's talk about melanin. So called white people suffer from a melanin deficiency. They can not produce any off spring other than themselves. All other people of color can produce an off spring with melanin. Again, The pathology behind white supremacy is that white supremacist have a fear of genetic annihilation. They don't have a superiority complex. They have an inferiority complex. If you face the facts and stop denying the facts they may help you to understand your white supremacy condition. Just because I'm presenting these genetic facts to you, does not make me a Black supremacist, nor does it make Dr. Francis Cress Welsing a Black supremacist. Again, give me your argument as to why it isn't true that white people can not produce any hue other than white. Don't look at it as a social construct of race, look at it as a scientific law. Just because a black person presents this argument to you, doesn't make a black person a Black supremacist. That is where you are wrong and not facing the facts. Jgreene999 (talk) 15:15, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oh wow, now a personal attack. Everyone has melanin.[1]https://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/518826 Find a scientific source that says they don't, except of course for albinos in some cases. What you call "white people" have a wide range of color - produced by their melanin. Doug Weller talk 15:58, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- So called white people have a melanin deficiency, like I said. I didn't say they didn't have any. There melanin deficiency does not allow them to produce an off spring of color if they try with each other. What is your argument to disprove that scientific fact? Just because I'm presenting this fact to you, doesn't make me a Black supremacist and that is the basis for calling Dr. Francis Cress Welsing a Black supremacist. What is the personal attack? I don't intend to attack you. I intend to educate you. If you are not a white supremacist than I might have a chance to educate you. Jgreene999 (talk) 16:11, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Look, this is going nowhere. Virtually everyone has melanin and the skin color of their children is not always exactly the same as their parents. That is not a "white supremacy condition" which is what you've accused me of. "Of color" is a different issue. Doug Weller talk 16:45, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- So called white people have a melanin deficiency, like I said. I didn't say they didn't have any. There melanin deficiency does not allow them to produce an off spring of color if they try with each other. What is your argument to disprove that scientific fact? Just because I'm presenting this fact to you, doesn't make me a Black supremacist and that is the basis for calling Dr. Francis Cress Welsing a Black supremacist. What is the personal attack? I don't intend to attack you. I intend to educate you. If you are not a white supremacist than I might have a chance to educate you. Jgreene999 (talk) 16:11, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oh wow, now a personal attack. Everyone has melanin.[1]https://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/518826 Find a scientific source that says they don't, except of course for albinos in some cases. What you call "white people" have a wide range of color - produced by their melanin. Doug Weller talk 15:58, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- There isn't any genetic definition of "Black" either, right. So let's talk about melanin. So called white people suffer from a melanin deficiency. They can not produce any off spring other than themselves. All other people of color can produce an off spring with melanin. Again, The pathology behind white supremacy is that white supremacist have a fear of genetic annihilation. They don't have a superiority complex. They have an inferiority complex. If you face the facts and stop denying the facts they may help you to understand your white supremacy condition. Just because I'm presenting these genetic facts to you, does not make me a Black supremacist, nor does it make Dr. Francis Cress Welsing a Black supremacist. Again, give me your argument as to why it isn't true that white people can not produce any hue other than white. Don't look at it as a social construct of race, look at it as a scientific law. Just because a black person presents this argument to you, doesn't make a black person a Black supremacist. That is where you are wrong and not facing the facts. Jgreene999 (talk) 15:15, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- The pathology behind white supremacy is that white supremacist have a fear of genetic annihilation. They don't have a superiority complex. They have an inferiority complex. This is an analysis from a licensed medical doctor who is a trained psychiatrist. Just because that makes you uncomfortable and just because you don't understand the analysis doesn't mean that the person who is explaining that to you is a Black supremacist as you claim. The genocide of people of color is because the white supremacist who practice genocide are afraid that if people of color remain on earth they will one day annihilate them genetically. This is where your replacement theory stems from. White supremacist fear that they will one day be replaced by people of color. If you are not a white supremacist, you probably don't have that fear. However, a black person explaining this truth to you is not a Black supremacist but rather a licensed and trained psychiatrist. Give me your argument as to why it isn't true that white people can not produce any hue other than white. Jgreene999 (talk) 00:30, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Then please reconcile this statement: "According to Welsing, the genocide of people of color is caused by white people's inability to produce melanin.". —C.Fred (talk) 21:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Formal warning about personal attacks
[edit]Such as you made above. Doug Weller talk 15:59, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- What is the personal attack? I feel personally attacked because you are calling Dr. Francis Cress Welsing a black supremacist and she's not. I'm not a Black supremacist but I agree with Dr. Welsing's analysis of White Supremacy. Jgreene999 (talk) 16:30, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Not me, the reliable sources. That's how we work. Your agreement with Welsing is immaterial on Wikipedia. Doug Weller talk 16:46, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- "Not me" I'm beginning to understand Wikipedia a lot better now. Thank you. This is a dangerous medium. Who gets to determine the reliable sources? I get a formal warning for offending so called reliable sources, interesting. You still haven't given me a valid argument as to the fact that so called white people can not produce off spring of color with each other. "White people" are not considered people of color because of their melanin deficiency. Please make your argument that they are considered people of color. Here are a few articles that support the fact that Dr. Francis Cress Welsing was a respected, trained psychiatrist, and educator, not a Black supremacist. I'm sure they won't pass your reliable sources test.
- https://www.ebony.com/news/dr-frances-cress-welsing-looking-back-at-her-call-to-uproot-racism-333/
- https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/welsing-frances-cress-1935-2016/
- https://lasentinel.net/frances-cress-welsing-isis-ascendant-teaching-self-respect-reasoning-and-resistance.html
- https://moguldom.com/247104/10-things-to-know-about-scholar-dr-frances-cress-welsing/ Jgreene999 (talk) 17:15, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- No one has disputed that Welsing was a trained psychiatrist. The point of contention is that one the theories she is associated with has been linked to Black supremacy and/or described as Black supremacist. —C.Fred (talk) 17:19, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Just because someone has linked her psychiatric analysis or theories to people who are accused of being Black supremacist doesn't make her a Black supremacist. You have the burden to prove that she is a Black supremacist. All you have is so called links she is associated to. Can you prove that she belonged to any of these groups you associate her with? Black supremacist needs to be removed from her Wikipedia page. She was not a Black supremacist. It's a fact that the black gene or people of so called African decent have a gene that is dominate to all other genes, in terms of producing melanin or skin color. That is a scientific fact. Just because someone teachers that fact doesn't make the person a Black supremacist. Prove where she is wrong? Jgreene999 (talk) 17:37, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- No, we do not, because we do not call her one. We describe her theory that way, not her. —C.Fred (talk) 22:03, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- It's a fact that the black gene or people of so called African decent have a gene that is dominate to all other genes, in terms of producing melanin or skin color. It's not a black supremacist "theory", it is a fact. Can you prove that fact wrong. Jgreene999 (talk) 23:15, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- What we're talking about is melanin theory, a "pseudoscientific claim" "that higher levels of melanin give black people inherently superior qualities to white people, including supernatural abilities such as extrasensory perception". —C.Fred (talk) 00:02, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Direct me specifically to this pseudoscientific claim by Dr. Francis Cress Welsing. Show me where she says this or writes about this in her own words, IN HER OWN WORDS. Also, prove to me that high levels of melanin doesn't give a person who has it extrasensory qualities that are not found in people who has less melanin. The burden of proof is on you. I take it that you concede on the fact that the black gene or people of so called African decent have a gene that is dominate to all other genes, in terms of producing melanin or skin color. Jgreene999 (talk) 01:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- That is not how Wikipedia works. Like Doug Weller above, I see nothing further to be gained from this conversation. —C.Fred (talk) 01:57, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- I have proved my point. That is not how Wikipedia work. You see nothing to gain from this conversation because you're not interested in the truth. You're interested in what fits your narrative, what makes you feel safe, and what allows you to control the information. You have not heard the last of me. The family of Dr. Welsing should file a deformation of charter lawsuit against Wikipedia. Jgreene999 (talk) 03:41, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- That is not how Wikipedia works. Like Doug Weller above, I see nothing further to be gained from this conversation. —C.Fred (talk) 01:57, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Direct me specifically to this pseudoscientific claim by Dr. Francis Cress Welsing. Show me where she says this or writes about this in her own words, IN HER OWN WORDS. Also, prove to me that high levels of melanin doesn't give a person who has it extrasensory qualities that are not found in people who has less melanin. The burden of proof is on you. I take it that you concede on the fact that the black gene or people of so called African decent have a gene that is dominate to all other genes, in terms of producing melanin or skin color. Jgreene999 (talk) 01:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- What we're talking about is melanin theory, a "pseudoscientific claim" "that higher levels of melanin give black people inherently superior qualities to white people, including supernatural abilities such as extrasensory perception". —C.Fred (talk) 00:02, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- It's a fact that the black gene or people of so called African decent have a gene that is dominate to all other genes, in terms of producing melanin or skin color. It's not a black supremacist "theory", it is a fact. Can you prove that fact wrong. Jgreene999 (talk) 23:15, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- No, we do not, because we do not call her one. We describe her theory that way, not her. —C.Fred (talk) 22:03, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Just because someone has linked her psychiatric analysis or theories to people who are accused of being Black supremacist doesn't make her a Black supremacist. You have the burden to prove that she is a Black supremacist. All you have is so called links she is associated to. Can you prove that she belonged to any of these groups you associate her with? Black supremacist needs to be removed from her Wikipedia page. She was not a Black supremacist. It's a fact that the black gene or people of so called African decent have a gene that is dominate to all other genes, in terms of producing melanin or skin color. That is a scientific fact. Just because someone teachers that fact doesn't make the person a Black supremacist. Prove where she is wrong? Jgreene999 (talk) 17:37, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- No one has disputed that Welsing was a trained psychiatrist. The point of contention is that one the theories she is associated with has been linked to Black supremacy and/or described as Black supremacist. —C.Fred (talk) 17:19, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Not me, the reliable sources. That's how we work. Your agreement with Welsing is immaterial on Wikipedia. Doug Weller talk 16:46, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
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