User talk:Jessejess

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Stuart, Florida

Hi Jessejess, I saw that you were having some trouble over at Stuart, Florida. Images are a pretty tricky thing for new editors on Wikipedia: there are a lot of subjective requirements that need consensus from other editors, plus the objective difficulties that come with image rights and licensing. It's a complex area. It is awesome that you want to be involved though: what if you made some suggestions for improvements to the article and we could work together to make those happen? Cheers, A Train^talk 10:30, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

copied from A Train's talk page Thanks for your comment. I'd like the article on Stuart FL to stop making it seem like Stuart essentially ended being a viable city after 2005 with the hurricanes, and stop being so hurricane-centric. There's so much more to it and it's still a nice city. I've been several times in more recent years and can attest to that — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessejess (talk • contribs) 18:42, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Heya Jessejess, I hope you don't mind but I copied your comment at my talk page over to here: it's easier to follow the conversation if we keep it in one place. This is great that you want to improve the Stuart article. Let's get to that.

So the first thing we need is sources. In keeping with the rules around here, the stuff that we add to articles needs to come from reliable sources. Those can be a lot of things, but generally speaking, it means newspapers, books, and magazines.

You tell me: what's the local newspaper for Stuart? Is it the Miami Herald? Would you be able to find some good recent articles about Stuart in the Herald (or whichever paper you tell me is most appropriate) and post the links here? Then you and I can read them and see if there's any material we can incorporate into the Wikipedia article. How's that for a start? A Train^talk 22:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Stuart News (and even the Palm Beach Post) are more local than the Miami Herald. I'll see what I can find when I can get the time. Thanks. I just hate to see such an abysmal article on the city

Hi Jessejess

Hi Jessejess and welcome to Wikipedia! It's good to see new people join to help. My first efforts were a bit frustrating as I learned how things work, but as I've kept at it and worked through problems it's been rewarding to see articles I'm interested improve. Don't let it bother you when your work gets reverted, just ask for help and work through it. In no time you'll be one of the top contributors around! Jacona (talk) 13:24, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

November 2017

Hello, I'm Jim1138. I noticed that you made a comment on the page User talk:John from Idegon with this edit that didn't seem very civil, so I removed it. Wikipedia needs people like you and me to collaborate, so it’s one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Jim1138 (talk) 05:12, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jessejess. You've been editing with this account for only about a month with 28 edits to your credit, whereas John from Idegon has been editing for many years with over 66,000 edits made. So, it's not unreasonable to assume that he is more familiar with how Wikipedia works than you are. I'm not trying make light of your contributions in any way because everybody has to begin somewhere, but Wikipedia has lots of policies and guidelines which we are all expected to do our best to adhere to when we edit. Editing can sometimes be frustrating, but collaborative editing works best when we remain civil, are willing to listen and avoid insulting others.

For what it's worth, image use is one of the trickier aspects of Wikipedia because there are so many different variables to consider. Articles are not intended to be image galleries, so even in cases where the file's copyright licensing is not an issue, article talk page discussion may still be necessary to establish a consensus for adding images to an article. None of the photos you added were deleted, they were only removed from the article. So, if you feel they truly deserve to be there and their use complies with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, then you should explain why on the article's talk page (Talk:Stuart, Florida#Photos, by the way, seems to be more of a rant than an attempt at constructive discussion) and see what others think.

You will need to establish that the purpose for adding these images is not just to "right some great wrong/set the record straight" because that's not what Wikipedia is really about. The article Stuart, Florida is not for promoting the city in any way, and it's not for showing the reader that things are getting better in the area or giving the reader the "right" impression. That type of thing may be acceptable for other websites, but it's not really acceptable for Wikipedia. So, if you want to add content about how the area (including the riverwalk) has been recovering from some recent storms and this content can be supported by citations to reliable sources, then perhaps the images can be incorporated into the article in support of such content; otherwise, I cannot see a clear encyclopedic need for them or how they are improvement to the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:48, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And 99% of the 66,000 edits made are reverting other people's additions I bet. And he's a jerk, but apparently noone cares about that here. He just slammed me with numerous personal attacks on his talk page. That is not especially beneficial to the site. And I may be wrong but I don't think the papers usually do stories on restoring riverwalks or anything like that Jessejess (talk) 14:13, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

One of the WP:PILLARs of wikipedia is WP:CIVILITY. Give it a try. Quit Judging, and take a moment to learn how to do things. User:John from Idegon is in fact one of the most helpful editors on Wikipedia, if you talk to him nicely. A Train has been more than helpful. How would you react to someone who talked to you the way you have been talking to others? We will help you if you will give us half a chance. Including John, who will forgive you in a second and help you out if you just talk to him the way you wish others would talk to you.Jacona (talk) 14:22, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not John, he's obviously a complete jerk. And yet Wikipedia has no problem with him being a major editor. There's something really wrong with Wikipedia if they allow major editors to do personal attacks to people who are just trying to improve a pageJessejess (talk) 14:28, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You are still making personal attacks against another editor. Knock it off or expect your account to be blocked. This is your only warning. Yunshui ^雲 _水 14:31, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Read what he wrote to me on his talk page before you judge me Jessejess (talk) 14:36, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I did. He commented on the content you had provided ("Your photos suck"). You commented on him ("He's obviously a complete jerk"). That is not acceptable. Yunshui ^雲 _水 14:38, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and "Your photos suck" is acceptable? Well then, John sucks, Wikipedia sucks, you all can suck me because I'm done here

Bye then. Yunshui ^雲 _水 15:29, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for making personal attacks towards other editors.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Yunshui ^雲 _水 15:30, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]